Top 5 changes to make after BC

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  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited April 2011

    I've found walking to be a fantastic stress reducer.  I started faithfully walking for an hour to an hour and a half most mornings shortly after I finished rads, and now if I miss a couple of days, I can really tell the difference in my stress response.  Walking has significantly lowered my blood pressure (which wasn't high, but still has noticeably dropped), and without even being aware it was happening, I dropped a pants size.

    A BCO member I look up to once said about walking that every step is a step away from breast cancer.  That thought has kept me walking and helped me feel less stressed about the future.  Deanna

  • gingerstx
    gingerstx Member Posts: 91
    edited April 2011

    I just found this site and it's exactly what I've been looking.   I'm on my Rads countdown and only have 6 more to go so I've been wondering what changes/improvements I should plan on making to my lifestyle.  I got my Femara script from my MO about 2 weeks ago and I was really surprised when she told me I shouldn't continue my one glass of white wine a day but should try to skip days!  Claire_in_Seattle, I so agree with you about that!  I don't mind giving up red meat and making improvements to my diet, but at almost 68 there should still be some pleasures/vices in our day that we can still retain! 

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited April 2011

    To me, exercise is the 'magic bullet'. It reduces stress, the waistline, helps take off & keep off the pounds (with the additional bonus of letting you eat more without gaining it back...since I love my food).

    That, and I second what others have said about shifting your attitude about what a 'real problem' is. I am grateful for the normal annoyances of life. When people compain about this and that, I think 'You have no idea what a real problem is!" I teach, and recently a collegue was complaining about how tough her class was, blah, blah, blah blah.... She asked if I was having a hard year too. (and I do have challenging kids) but I said, "No, I'm healthy, my family is healthy, I am having a GREAT year!"

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    Sorry gurls, I had forgotten to add topic to favs and got lost in cyberspace - darn chemo brain Yell

    Grannydukes: Thank you !  You made me laugh so hard....darn bladder  - I wonder if I have any good parts left !  Coz my ferritin is very low, found some buffalo meat to replace beef (more expansive though).  I hesitated a long time before tasting it.  It's actually delicious.  No Fat at all.  Now, please tell me that buffalos feed on grass out in the clean air year round and are not fed antibiotics nor hormones !!

    Ruth in Singapore: I agree for those of us who are ER+, it's important we be careful with phytoestrogens and they seem to be everywhere.  Like you say, pomegranates are good for cancer but not for ER+ and the list goes on and on.  Who would of thought COFFEE !!!!  Cry

    Mnmom: Sorry I confused you.  I only copied what seemed to be most relevant for Grannydukes in that article   Here is the link www.fibroid101.com/phyto.htm  The full article will make much more sense. 

    Ruthbru :  Ditto, the first thing I read after diagnosis was « You'll know you beat cancer when you die of something else (i.e. heart attack) - that made me feel reeeellly good.  What is it most people ask all the time « Are you in remission ? »  Remission ????  What the h....r u talking about ?  Looked it up in dictionnary.  Nope, no help there !!!!! 

    May I say also, you have great comebacks Wink

    That girl :  Don Quai keeps popping up in my searches

    Marianna HB - Have to agree that THE BC « process » will make anyone feel invincible

    Ouf !  Have a very pleasant Sunday ladies

  • mightymon
    mightymon Member Posts: 823
    edited April 2011

    I love reading this post! I'm a runner and triathlete, who exercise around 15-20 hours a weeks (swim, ride, run, yoga, boxing and weight training). I'm not drinking or smoke and eating a really healthy diet. Green Tea is my favorite beverage. And yes I was dx at 30! (was training for my first Ironman when I find the lump)

    I'm still continue eating healthy and doing lots of exercise. Also start taking supplement, Selenium, DIM, Garlic Pill, Glucosamine.

    Also try to avoid stress. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    Hello mightymon, I know i must exercise that body of mine, but

    i seriously lack what is needed, I

    would much rather sit with a book.

    I guess until one gets hooked on

    those endorphins, its a real effort.

    My brother starting running after his triple

    bypass and it has turned his life

    around although i don't like the

    looks of his black toenails:))

  • Sherbear
    Sherbear Member Posts: 215
    edited April 2011

    That is the toughest thing about exercise, starting up.  When you start to feel and see results, well, then it just gets easy, but before that, it's hard to get motivated.  I was always active, but it was with activities, not the gym, so my membership was going to waste until I found a bunch of classes that I like and now I go whenever I can because I actually enjoy it.  Hiking and walking is also on my list.  Luan, you just have to maybe try a few things out to see if there's anything you like that will make you want to do it again.  Have to admit, I'm also a fan of just sitting around with a good book or show though :)

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited April 2011

    There are several great exercise buddy threads on BCO. I 'confess' what I did for exercise on 'Lets Post Our Daily Exercise', and that helps me keep motivated.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    Looks like i,ll be needing to invest in good

    looking headgear. Never spent much coz I

    figured hair was coming back soon, but it,s

    not :((((



    Can't imagine doing yoga pauses or belly

    dancing in THE wig...never wore scarves

    cause they scream cancer and i don't like to

    be identified that way and people staring..

    guess i,m kinda shy girl

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited April 2011

    I walked all the time in the wig; bought a bunch of exercise DVDs, and did my other workouts at home. I was too shy too.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011
    I'll check out your posts Ruthbru - thanks ! from one shy girl to another Wink
  • mightymon
    mightymon Member Posts: 823
    edited April 2011

    Hi Luan, I wearing Beau Beau Scarves to my gym (www.4women.com). It's pre tie and really secure. In yoga class I can do Bridge Post and Downward Facing Dog Post without worrying about it coming off.

    My boss's mum is my inspiration. She start running on her 50th birthday and now at 74 had run about 90 marathons! Her goal is to hit 100 marathon before she retire. Wow! running marathon in your 70! I'll be happy if I can walk or live that long! Smile

    I'm always thinking of her on my really bad day with the chemo.  

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    Thank u very much for the tip Mightymon. Both u

    and your boss mum amaze me !

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    Thank u Sherbear for you words of wisdom :))

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited May 2011
    Being ALIVE increases your risk Frown!
  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited May 2011
    ruthbru, So trueCry
  • Eklypse
    Eklypse Member Posts: 29
    edited May 2011

    MariannaHB wrote:

    My kids really did not like kale last night, and I really had to agree-- it was TOUGH and not particularly tasty!!! I'm learning--slowly-- how to cook my "new" staples.....

    You can make kale chips!  Your kids will love these and they are quite addictive....

    http://allrecipes.com/Recipe/baked-kale-chips/Detail.aspx

    Another recipe....

    http://www.realage.com/eat-smart/recipefinder/kale-apples-mustard-recipe-5360

    If you make salad with kale, you need to massage the kale in order to tenderize it as well as let it marinade in the dressing for a while in the fridge.  If you google kale salad you find all kinds of recipes but I really like kale salad with citrus such as this one....

    http://kitchenettedc.com/2010/01/27/a-taste-of-sunshine-kale-and-citrus-salad/

    With a German mother, I grew up eating kale.

    Natalie

  • 3monstmama
    3monstmama Member Posts: 1,447
    edited May 2011

    I have just found this thread.  Kale chips are VERY VERY popular in our house.  I use the dinosauer kale, wash it, trim the ends, cut in pieces and toss with a bit of olive oil.  If you don't like the stems, you can trim the leafy part away.  Stuff the whole thing on a cookie sheet (single layer) in a 400 degree oven and bake until crispy.  Watch closely as overdone kale chips are not nearly as much fun.

    Once crispy, you can also crumple and put on popcorn.

    Like many of you, I considered myself pretty darned healthy prediagnois.  I have posted often that the cause of bc can't just be how you eat because I didn't eat all that stuff and hadn't for over 20 years.  The last few months I have been on a holiday down the river of deNile---I was really good about taking my vitD and I stopped.  I took my calcium and other vits--stopped.  I meditated every morning with my oldest and I found excuses not to do it.  I was good about excercising --going to the gym or walking to the farther away bus with my son--and I made excuses not to do it.  Avoiding the office candy dish--well I'll just take a couple of jelly beans, thats not so bad. got rid of my bike and didn't replace it.  And then there is the mammogram that I should have gotten last month and still I haven't scheduled.

    I am taking a deep breathe and getting myself back on the path to take care of me.  I don't want a reoccurance and I need to do the stuff I need to do to take as much control over my life as I can to make sure there is no round 2.  Thanks to all for the support.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2011
    I know 3monstmama, that kick in the butt is sometimes soooo hard to do and it appears that no one wants to do it for us  Frown  We have to get our motivation where we can....so go get that mammo ! Wink
  • treesprite
    treesprite Member Posts: 359
    edited May 2011

    LOVE this topic! I've feeling so overwhelmed with all the advice; its never ending! I love the idea of going for the top five. I plan to go back and read through but for now, I'm going to add my two cents on kale and greens.

    Greens of any kind can be added to just about every savory dish. Sliced into thin strips and tossed into soups, sauted as side dish or combined with other veggies, saute & toss with quinoa, and toss into salads. I've been experimenting wIth green smoothies and try to have some kind of greens on hand (they recommend rotating different greens). I chop greens and freeze on a cookie sheet and store in container when I can't use them up as fresh. They good frozen - crunchy! I freeze just about everything and put in smoothies, cucumber & ginger are two of my favorite smoothie ingrediants. One of our local stores sells a bagged mix of organic kale, chard, & spinach, washed, chopped, ready to go.

  • Rennasus
    Rennasus Member Posts: 1,267
    edited May 2011

    I am overwhelmed too. I've taken it down from 5 to the top 2 things that I'm doing:

    1) Reduce pesticides and hormones in my food by buying organic —  but *only* the stuff I eat most often: yogurt, milk, cheese, spinach and blueberries. I don't spend money on organic apples or pears; I simply peel off the skin. 

    2) Walk as often as possible, for as long as possible.

     That's it! That's all I can handle right now. ;-)

  • corian68
    corian68 Member Posts: 168
    edited May 2011

    Amen Raili! I too had a very healthy lifestyle. Didn't drink, eat refined sugar, smoke, very little meats. Was doing what I thought would protect me against BC. Had kids young. But I did take birth control pills and did not eat organic on a regular basis. I know the toxins played a big part in my BC. So at 42 right before Christmas 2010...the Earth stood still with a cancer DX. I am great now, 2 month post BLMX. And have rid my life with as many toxins as possible.

    My Oncologist recommended Tamoxifen, of course. But if you look on the Prop 65 website of known carcinogens, Tamoxifen is there twice as a known cancer causing carcinogen :( the system stinks! We have to be own cure!

    Cheers Cori

    IDC stage 1, 1 cm. Grade3, 0 nodes ER+HER2- BRCA2- BRCA1 undetermined? Whatever that means!
  • treesprite
    treesprite Member Posts: 359
    edited May 2011

    1) Self-care: Trying to figure out how to make self-care my top priority. Seems like I always have some excuse or rationalization for NOT putting myself first/ not taking care of my basic health needs . . . .and I really don't have any excuse . .. I have plenty of time! Loving myself, not bashing myself! (sounds like I've smushed two BIG ones into one!)

    2) Sleep: When I don't get enough quality sleep, everything else is so much harder and my body can't adequately heal itself. I've made several changes to improve the quality & quantity of my sleep.(hmmm. . .why am I still up and on the computer?)

    3) Stress: Yoga, journaling, staying in the present, realizing what I can control vs. what I can't and/or what I shouldn't be trying to control. I feel like stress is the underlying cause of all my health issues. 

    4) Exercise: Minimum 3 times a week, preferably daily for at least 20 minutes. Affects sleep, stress, depression and weight.I joined the Y and participated in a exercise & thrive class.

    5)  Nutrition: Increasing veggie intake; reducing added sugar, reducing fat calories, using organics when possible.

    I'm working on these, but it is hard to sustain changes in habits I've had for most of my life! I have a short attention span; I get super motivated for short periods of time and when life gets busy or stressful, it is easy to fall back into old patterns! Upset with my husband = take it out on myself by overeating or staying up too late; both serve as distractions from what causes me anxiety/distress. 

    Maybe 5 is too many  . . . one or two might be all I can handle. 

  • corian68
    corian68 Member Posts: 168
    edited May 2011

    Treesprite



    I too struggled with putting myself & health first, with 3 kids a husband, running our own business...I was last in line. That has all changed now! I am becoming the change I want. And so can you! Self love is what I am learning. My list:

    1. Self love

    2. Be accountable for what I do & put into my body.

    3. Recommit everyday....

    4. Learn about the safety of our food & medicines we use.

    5. Don't sweat the small stuff because it usually is not worth it.

    Bonus: choose to be happy...it really is a choice.

    P.S I miss Washington! Born & raised in Seattle. In Ca. For the last 14 yrs.

  • MariannaLaFrance
    MariannaLaFrance Member Posts: 777
    edited May 2011

    Eklypse- Thank you for the kale recommendations. I really was not impressed with it the last time I cooked it, and I know that I need to try out the chips and some of the other recipes. Thanks again for sending!

    3monstmama-  I have so been there, where you are. I liken it to leading a virtuous life.... it's hard sometimes to be so good.  And, frankly, our lifestyles are sometimes not in tune with living the organic, gluten free, mostly vegetarian, gotta exercise, meditate, and be in tune with nature lifestyle we should adhere to for health. I have suffered guilt with it, but realize I also cannot feel guilt or stress! LOL What the h am I supposed to do?  So, I guess I am taking the middle of the road approach. If I fall off the wagon, I just try to get back on when I can. I went to our cub scouts party last night and devoured a bunch of meat with nitrates in it. I could stress about it, but really, is it worth it? Nah. I'll just eat well today, or try to. 

    Hey, at least we're making positive changes. I am sure there are some people who don't change too much about their lifestyles after BC, either because they cannot or because they don't want to. I think "trying" counts, and we do have to make room for falling off the wagon sometimes.  Heck, I am planning on eating a brownie (yes, it's gluten free, but that's only because I don't want to deal with the toilet later) this afternoon and I am going to enjoy it!! YAH!!! 

  • gutsy
    gutsy Member Posts: 391
    edited May 2011

    Changes I have made

     1. Drink green tea instead of coffee

     2. Lots of vegetables, fruit and nuts - Broccoli sprouts, Broccoli soup, a couple a times a week

     3. No dairy, no red meat, yes to fish

     4. Try to not have sugar and white flour, I do fail at that sometimes

     5. Daily supplements, Vitamin D3, Omega3 salmon oil tablets, Tumeric, Garlic, Qenzime 10 and a few others.

     6. Try to exercise at least 5x week for 30 - 45 minutes - walking, swimming, gym, aquafit

     7. Go to bed by 10:00 pm as much as possible

     8 Starting yoga

     9 Use stove as much as possible not microwave

     10. Change cosmetics to organic ones

     I am sure I have made some other changes. I have made many changes under the guidance of MD's specializing in complimentary therapies. I am higly ER and PR positive, HER negative

    I have lost weight, have more stamina, skin is better. Also, I don't have any headaches anymore. I suffered terribly from headaches before.

    I do these things to hopefully aid in the prevention of a recurrence. I have read Schreiber's books, seen many of his videos and what he says makes sense. Ofcourse there are no guarantees at all.

  • Rennasus
    Rennasus Member Posts: 1,267
    edited May 2011

    JBinOK, I love all the changes you stated, but especially No.2 and No.3! SO true!

    Gutsy, love No. 9! I may ban use of my micro entirely!

  • ForMyBoys
    ForMyBoys Member Posts: 64
    edited May 2011

    I love Steaz green teas. Both the blueberry/acia and the peach.  It uses cane sugar,but is only lightly sweetened. Kinda pricey, but yumm....even my kids love them.

  • peggy_j
    peggy_j Member Posts: 1,700
    edited May 2011
    Yes, yes, sleep!  I'm wrapping up rads (finished yesterday. wahoo!) and when I met with a RO nurse last week, I asked for advice going forward. She mentioned a lot of what I'd heard (eating right, sunscreen on my rads spot, etc) but she also said, "Sleep! People really underestimate the importance of sleep for the immune system.  One or two nights of less sleep might be OK, but on a regular basis, no way." She was pretty adamant about it, and said if I had a couple nights in a row of less sleep, I should make it a priority to catch up the third night. So there.  Sleep tight everyone! ;)
  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited May 2011

    sleep.....easier said than done!

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