IBC and IDC and triple negative

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twinkied
twinkied Member Posts: 28

I was wondering if anyone else with IBC has IDC and is TN?  If so what treaments/procedures have you done and with what success?

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  • deborrob
    deborrob Member Posts: 37
    edited April 2011

    I am IBC, IDC and triple negative.  I have only just started treatment, so don't have much to tell you.  I started on Ixempra and Xeloda, but couldn't tolerate the Xeloda.  I had two rounds of Ixempra and the skin mets were still spreading.  At that point, I went down to MD Anderson.  The doc there put me on weekly Taxol and Avastin.  I have had two of those so far, doing my third tomorrow.  The Taxol/Avastin has helped more than the Ixempra.  I think the three weeks apart treatment with Ixempra was too far apart, it allowed the skin mets to grow in between treatments.  I'll see what the oncologist says tomorrow, but visually it seems quite a lot better to me.

  • twinkied
    twinkied Member Posts: 28
    edited April 2011

    What troubles did you have on Xeloda? I am currently taking Xeloda along with radiation treatments.  I was originally diagnosed with IDC stage 3a, grade 3, and DCIS and went thru dose dense ACT treatments every 2 weeks.  Just 4 weeks after finishing that (it responded quite well) and awaiting surgery I noticed 2 new lumps and a red rash.  The surgeon did a biopsy and sure enough we found IBC. Everyone was shocked to find more cancer so soon.  It turns out the IBC was just originally missed so once the chemo stopped it rared its ugly head. Both path reports had me being triple negative.  I contacted MDA but did not have the insurance or the money but then I found, thankfully, Dr. C at Fox Chase. He had me do another chemo (carboplatin and gemzar).  The rash did spread after the first treatment which worried me but then it started to clear up. Unfortunately the lump/mass was not responding so he currently has me trying the Xeloda/radiation combo and it seems to be working.

  • lindaa
    lindaa Member Posts: 119
    edited April 2011

    Hi Deb, found you over here and just wanted to touch base.  I am still very sick from all of my issues.  I am done with the vanco for now, but I think the plueral effusions or something makes me sick.  I get nasuaus once a day.  I am still waiting for physical thereapy to come help me learn how to climb stairs again.  I am on Gemzar now and still trying to figure out SEs.  they are lowering my dose because my platlet count keeps tanking.  When I was on taxol it did very well for my ibc.  My boob almost looked normal again.  I long for those days.

  • hope123108
    hope123108 Member Posts: 58
    edited April 2011

    Twinkied,

    I see that you have been treated my Dr.C @ Fox Chase.  Would you be willing to share your opion of Dr.?  I am in need of a new Oncologist and have read great reviews about Dr. C.  Wondering if he is pro-active in tests and treatments.  My Oncologist goes by the Bible when treating and diagnosing.  I am triple negative grade 3 (of-course).  Pathology suggests the cancer traveled the blood stream.  Never had pet scan or much additional testing. Philly is several hours away but maybe Dr.C is worth it.  I have gone to Fox Chase on two other cancer issues. Would love to hear any input you could offer.  Stay well and pray this treatment does what we all hope for.

    Hope

  • deborrob
    deborrob Member Posts: 37
    edited April 2011

    Hi Twinkied and Lindaa,

    Sorry haven't been on here in awhile.  Dealing with weekly chemo and working etc.  Twinkied - Zeloda made me very, very dizzy - I couldn't hardly stand up.  It also dropped my bp down dangerously low.  I tried a smaller dose of it, but it just was awful for me.  Taxol has done a better job than the Ixempra was doing for me, but I have only had one round (3 weekly doses).  I am on a two week break and start again on my second round (another 3 weekly doses) next week.  A lot of my rash is now just discolored skin (brown instead of red). There is one area at the top of my chest that is still a little red.  I think the Taxol will work in the long run (hopefully).  Your story sounds a lot like mine and I keep wondering how on earth the IBC could have started so soon after finishing initial treatment.  I keep wondering if, in some way, it was caused by the treatment (trauma to the skin from radiation or surgery let it out into the blood stream) or something like that.  I know it can't be proven - but I wonder about it everyday.  It makes me very nervous to go for a mastectomy and I don't know if I can even do more radiation at this stage. 

    Lindaa - so sorry you are having such an awful time of things.  You really seem to have gone through the mill with all of this.  Have you had a mastectomy yet?

    Deb

  • twinkied
    twinkied Member Posts: 28
    edited April 2011

    Hi Hope,

    Dr. C is worth alot more than a few hours drive!  I live about 16-17 hours away and make the trip.  You did not state it specifically but do you have IBC?  That is what he specializes in, that and metastic bc.  I believe he is very pro-active.  A mri and a pet scan are the first tests he wanted me to have done and he put me on a 2nd treatment plan and later a 3rd when it was not fully responding. He said we need to do all we can ahead of time to give myself a better chance of having a successful surgery.  Hope this info helped.

  • hope123108
    hope123108 Member Posts: 58
    edited April 2011

    Hi twinkied,

    I am not IBC but triple negative, large tumor.  Mother that passed away at early age from breast cancer.  I constantly live in fear as most of us do.  Like i mentioned have never had pet scan or breast mri.  I also has some red spots that would come and go.  Some back/rib pain can't put my finger right on it.  I have also contacted University of Pa. as i understand from these boards their is a female oncologist that studies triple negative.  Not sure which is my best option.  I have a friend that lives about 3 miles from Fox Chase so i have stayed with her on past visits.  My Dr. mostly goes by blood work and i don't know if i am 100% comfortable with that.  Where do you actually receive your chemo treatments?  When is your surgery and are you having it at Fox Chase?  I truely feel blessed to have all the knowledge of these boards available to us.  Please let this 3rd treatment respond for you....how are you mentally handling all of this, always keep all my breast cancer sisters in my prayers and beg for a cure!!!!

    Thanks so much for your insight...

    Hope

  • twinkied
    twinkied Member Posts: 28
    edited April 2011

    Hi Hope,

    I would not be comfortable with just blood work either.  There is too much it doesn't show and is inconsistent.  I am really surprised that noone has had you do any further tests. That is the first thing that most doctors want to have done to see if it has spread - especially if it is grade 3.  As to your best option, it wouldn't hurt to call over to Fox Chase and talk to them. I am sure they will let you know if they can help you or refer you to someone who can.  What have you gone to Fox Chase for before?  

    I get my treatments back home at our local cancer center. They follow Dr. C's recommendations.  I finish a treatment and then go back to Dr. C for the next step, etc.... I didn't have insurance when I was diagnosed but am now on medicaid and it does not cover anything out side of my state so it does not pay for anything when I go to Fox Chase :(   so I will be having my surgery here when it is time.  I see Dr. C next week to find out if I am ready as I have just completed my chemo/radiation treatment yesterday :)  It seems to have worked - despite the terrible condition of my skin the lump has shrunk. So if all goes well I should be having surgery within the next 3-6 weeks.  As for your question about how I am handling it I am doing good.  It is just another detour on the road of life.  Worrying about things will not make it better but could make it worse so try not to worry too much.  Let me know what you decide.

  • hope123108
    hope123108 Member Posts: 58
    edited April 2011

    twinkied,

    Thank heavens it appears the treatment plan is working in your favor.  I went to Fox Chase when first diagnosed and they suggested a lumpectomy. Not for me i wanted both off, prior to cancer i was already on mamos and ultra sounds every six months (dense breasts) and irregular cells  in the left breast not cancer but not normal cells either.  Then i went down after starting treatment and oncologist said she may have done some things different but would not state what because there was no since in looking back. Both times i was not overly impressed however i have never met Dr.C who seems to have excellent ratings. Right about now moving forward would be my greatest chance of reoccurnce with triple neg. What type of surgery will you be having done when it is time. I did get an appointment @ University of PA.  Dr. completed ALL his medical education at John Hopkins so i am comfortable with that.  When you made an appointment with Dr.C did he/they schedule for testing that day at Fox Chase?  I wish i did not worry as much, i do yoga and some outside support, go to the gym.  Probably because of my mom passing away in hospice and brain/breast/lung cancer fear and anxiety takes over as my children are in grade school.  I actually handled the 19 chemo treatments well it was after i finished the sky opened up and reality set in.  No hair no breasts, no energy.  I think that was the hardes part even today i envy all those breasts that come out in the summer time.  O.K. enough of my complaining!!! Thanks for listening most people don't get it until you are on this journey.  May you continue to feel good and be showered with blessings.

    Hope

  • twinkied
    twinkied Member Posts: 28
    edited April 2011

    Hi Hope,

    Take a deep breath and relax :)   I understand the anxiety I really do but you sound stressed out and it is hard to make a good decision when so stressed out.  When I made the appointment with Dr. C they told be to bring all my tests and reports and then when I was there and he wanted some other test done I went home to get it done because if I had it there I would have to pay for it out of my pocket (which I don't have and as you know any cancer treatment/test is very expensive).  Then my local hospital mails the reports and disks to him.  When is you appointment?  Try to have a good day :)

  • hope123108
    hope123108 Member Posts: 58
    edited April 2011

    twinkied,

    My appointment is not until the end of May @ Un.of PA. I am usually stressed but manage to get through the day and even some good days.  Actually have done alot since being diagnosed.  Seems as though always waiting for the shoe to drop.  I may make an appointment with Dr. C and go from there.  Like i mentioned my God Child is just arount the corner so i can always visit with an old friend as well. Fox Chase excepts my insurance on both visits it was only $30.00 but was never asked to do additional testing. Thanks for all your advice.

    Take Care,

    Hope

  • lindaa
    lindaa Member Posts: 119
    edited April 2011

    My new trial with this mk-1775 drug was a bust.  Taken with Gemzar, but it kept flattening my blood platlets.  So between waiting period to start trial and missed treatments so I could recover I now have plueral effusions and other spots.  My doctors now give me no hope.  I hevan't even tried all the chemos yet.  I thought dana farber would be more aggressive but now I am looking for a new onc again.  Maybe md anderson.

  • Leslie2010
    Leslie2010 Member Posts: 70
    edited April 2011

    Ladies, although my profile shows ER+/PR+, they are so faint (less than 5%), my onco and Dr. C both agreed I'm a TN and have been treated as such.  I started my chemo late Dec. with DD AC every other weeks, after 3 rounds, my mass only shrunk by less than 0.5cm.  My onco switched me to weekly Carboplatin and Taxol, mid way thru this new regimen, PET/CT showed good progress, the size and SUV has been reduced a lot, but the mass has not changed much (even till now).  I understand everyone has different responses to chemo...

    Twinkied: I'm very curious to learn more in details the xeloda/radiation treatment you are under now.  Can you share that?  I've gone to Dr. C and he has offered that as an option for my next step should the mass doesn't shrink.  To hear you have made progress with this treatment is very encouraging.  When will you be good for surgery?  Will you be getting more radiation after surgery?

    Thanks,

    Leslie

  • twinkied
    twinkied Member Posts: 28
    edited April 2011

    Hi Leslie,

    What would you like to know about the xeloda/radiation treatments?  You take the oral xeloda pills on the days you get radiation.  Also due to the ibc you get the bolus every other day which is a material they lay on your breast during radiation so that it sort of tricks the machine and it directly treats the skin.  Because of this and the xeloda being considered a radation enhancer your skin does get bit up more then normal so we did have to cut my treatments short by a few days but it was quite successful.  I just got back from seeing Dr. C and he was quite happy with the response and I will be having surgery as soon as my skin heals - probably a few more weeks.  There is not any plan for more radiation after surgery. We just switched from doing it after to doing it before - not both.  Let me know if you have any other questions.

  • Leslie2010
    Leslie2010 Member Posts: 70
    edited April 2011

    Hi Twinkied,

    Thank you so much for the prompt response!  And, congrats to your success so far.  How long was the radiation treatment, once or twice a day?  And, was 66 Gy total the original plan?  I understand you had to cut it short.  You don't need to take Xeloda anymore?  It sounds good to switch the radiation and surgery around.

  • twinkied
    twinkied Member Posts: 28
    edited April 2011

    Hi Leslie,

    The treatment was once a day.  If it was done after surgery it was going to be twice a day so doing it before also saved me a trip :)  I am not positive about the 66 Gy.  My paperwork says it was to be 50.4 but I am not sure - sorry.  I will try to find out more info at my next follow up appointment.  No, I do not need to take anymore xeloda.  It was to be taken only during rad treatments. 

  • Leslie2010
    Leslie2010 Member Posts: 70
    edited May 2011

    Hi Twinkied,

    Thank you so much!  How long was the whole treatment?  4 weeks?  50.4 may mean the total radiation you've received so far, but I don't know.  Sorry to hear the skin issue, does it hurt a lot?  Hope you'll heal soon.  Is the purpose of your next follow up appointment to check your readiness for surgery?  Sorry for all the questions.  How much did your lumps shrink?  It is just so encouraging to hear the treatment works for you.

    Thanks,

    Leslie

  • twinkied
    twinkied Member Posts: 28
    edited May 2011

    Hi Leslie,

    I don't mind the questions at all. I will answer anything that I know the answer to :)  The treatment was for 5 1/2 weeks (28 treatments) but I only did 26.  My skin was fine up until the last week and it looked a lot worse then it felt.  I am not saying it was not painful but I have a pretty high tolerance for pain.  It has already healed ALOT in just one week.  The nurse said I am a fast healer, that most don't improve that quickly.  I made sure to use all the creams and ointments that they gave me and I believe that helped.  The next appointment is just a check up with the doctor so he can see the condition of my skin and let me know if I am ready to go see the surgeon.  They did not do a follow up test, such as a mri or pet scan, so I can't give you an exact number as to how much it shrunk but you can tell just by looking at it that it shrunk alot. The lump no longer protrudes out of my breast and the size of my breast went down.  Just a note: my mass did not shrink when I was on Carboplatin and Gemzar.  It helped with the redness of my skin but not the mass which is why we stopped that treatment and switched to xeloda/rad.  I hope you continue to have good progress!

  • Leslie2010
    Leslie2010 Member Posts: 70
    edited May 2011

    Hi Twinkied,

    Bless your heart!  Great that you're healing fast!  I still have 2 more wks of Carboplatin and Taxol, my onco has not switched the treatment even though my mass has not shrunk.  I'll have PET and MRI soon and will decide the next course of treatment pending on test results. 

    Hope you will get to do surgery soon and put this all behind you!

    Thanks,

    Leslie

  • Leslie2010
    Leslie2010 Member Posts: 70
    edited May 2011

    Hi Twinkied,

    Just wondering whether you got the thumb up for surgery.  Hope you are doing well.

    Leslie

  • tlarnold
    tlarnold Member Posts: 24
    edited May 2011


    I was diagnosed with a right inflammatory breast cancer 8/2007, (it was infiltrating ductal carcinoma; grade III, ER/PR, HER2/neu negative, positive axillary lymph node). I also had a lump of 1.5 cm contralateral tumor was T1 N1. I received neoadjuvant chemo with Taxol for 12 weeks and fluorouracil, etoposide, and cisplatin for 4 weeks. I had a double mastectomy 3/24/2008. After the surgery, I received 6 weeks of radiation once a day. I completed treatment June 2008. I am NED.

    Terry Arnold

  • tlarnold
    tlarnold Member Posts: 24
    edited May 2011

    I was diagnosed with a right inflammatory breast cancer 8/2007, (it was infiltrating ductal carcinoma; grade III, ER/PR, HER2/neu negative, positive axillary lymph node). I also had a lump of 1.5 cm contralateral tumor was T1 N1. I received neoadjuvant chemo with Taxol for 12 weeks and fluorouracil, etoposide, and cisplatin for 4 weeks. I had a double mastectomy 3/24/2008. After the surgery, I received 6 weeks of radiation once a day. I completed treatment June 2008. I am NED.

    Dr. C was my doctor in Houston prior to his move to Fox Chase. He was very aggressive in his medical treatment of my cancer. I honestly think if he has not been so aggressive I would not be alive today. He is a very caring man, and I am sure that here are lot of really good cancer doctor about there, but for IBC he is the leading specialist.

  • twinkied
    twinkied Member Posts: 28
    edited May 2011

    Hi Leslie,

    Thanks so much for asking.  Yes I did.  A matter of fact I just had my surgery on Thursday (May 19th) and I am home recovering.  I hope to have my path reports on tuesday.

  • Leslie2010
    Leslie2010 Member Posts: 70
    edited May 2011

    Hi Twinkied,

    You had the surgery the same day I thought about you and posted the question!  And, you anwered my post!!!  Amazing!  I pray for your speedy recovery and a wonderful path report.

    My onco consulted with Dr. C and I'll be gettling the same treatment starting Mon.  I hope I'll be as brave as you are.

    Leslie

  • twinkied
    twinkied Member Posts: 28
    edited May 2011

    Hi Leslie,

    Just hang in there. Be positive and you will do GREAT!!!   Let me know if it shrinks.  I will be thinking of you and hoping it responds.

  • Leslie2010
    Leslie2010 Member Posts: 70
    edited May 2011

    Hi Twinkied,

    How are you feeling?  How is the skin?

    The radiation onco is so worried about the skin issue and possible added complications to the surgery, he actually wanted me to sign on the consent form with the possible complications added before he would provide the treatment.  They really know how to scare me!  I asked him during the simulation if the mass shrinks, will the plan needs to be changed?  I couldn't believe he said that probably would not happen.  I hope the mass will shrink and he has to redo the treatment plan ;-)

    Leslie

  • twinkied
    twinkied Member Posts: 28
    edited May 2011

    Hi Leslie,

    Sorry they are giving you a hard time.  Where are you having your treatments at? So the rad onco doesn't think it is going to shrink?  What are their current plans?  Aren't you hoping for it to shrink and then having surgery?   So did you start your treatments Monday?

     My docs did talk about the additional concerns they had for performing surgery on radiated skin but we just waited for the skin to heal up enough before surgery and my surgeon also talked to the plastic surgeon about a different method to close the wound because they were worried about it not staying closed, and wound healing, etc... cuz of the skin and blood flow being compromised due to the radiation.  I saw the surgeon yesterday to take my drain out and he said everything looked good.  Try not to let them scare you. 

    Did they talk to you about the hand/foot syndrome that is a common side effect of the xeloda? 

  • Leslie2010
    Leslie2010 Member Posts: 70
    edited May 2011

    Hi Twinkied,

    Wow, you got the drain out already.  Good for you!  You do heal fast. Did you get your path report?

    I did start my treatment yesterday after I signed.  The plan is to do 25 treatments with bolus every day, total of 50 Gy, if my skin holds up, then boost can be added.  I am being treated at Good Sam in CA.  I'm just hoping for the best and if it doesn't shrink due to too much dead tissue as my radiation onco assumed, I know the cancerous cells are being zapped.  Visually, I don't have anything look like cancer from the outside. Just this good size mass that will not budge though the PET/CT showed nothing lit up.

    My onco did tell me to watch out for the usual xeloda side effects and the nurse gave me a starter kit with a lot of info in it.  I did experience a mild hand-foot syndrome while I was on AC.  It went away after a week or so.  Will Xeloda make it even worse?

     Leslie

  • twinkied
    twinkied Member Posts: 28
    edited May 2011

    Hi Leslie,

    I can't believe they actually made you sign something. 

    The drain was in 5 days and the doc said that is the normal time in which he takes it out.  Only the preliminary path report was done but it was good news!  So far cancer was not found in the mass, the skin, or the lymph nodes.   Only a tiny, tiny, tiny chunk of cancer from the armpit area!  Even the surgeon was surprised about not having anything in the mass because it was still a noticeable size.  So maybe yours is the same thing seen that nothing lights up on the pet scan.  The final report will not be ready for a few more days.  They are waiting on some stains to come back. 

    I am surprised they are doing the bolus every day. Is that what Dr. C recommended? 

    Just wondering, if the pet/ct didn't show activity is it that the mass is too large or to close to the chest wall to do surgery right now?

    I was told that hand/foot is much more common with xeloda. I did not experience it with my ACT treatment but it did start up just toward the end of the xeloda.  My med onc told me to take 300 mg of B6 daily because studies show that it helps.

     Hope everything works out for you.  Let me know how it is going.

  • Leslie2010
    Leslie2010 Member Posts: 70
    edited May 2011

    Hi Twinkied,

    That is such a wonderful news!!!  I think that was the reason Dr. C wanted us to get radiation first to minimize cancer cells before surgery.  Although PET/CT is a good tool, it is limited by the resolution, MRI has good resolution.  In my case, most doctors feel I should get surgery now, but Dr. C thought the suspicious area in the mass (shown in the MRI) is too large.  And, that's the reason the radiation onco made me sign extra consent.

    Regarding the whole radiation treatment plan, since Dr. C didn't say anything special, the radiation onco is just executing to the conventional one.  That was the reason I was curious about your radiation treatment plan.  Was the reason that you got bolus every other day was to lesson the skin damage?

    Thanks for the tips on B6!  The radiation onco only told me NOT to take A,C and E so it won't compromise the effectivity of the radiation treatment.

    So far, the only issue I got is major bloating from my last chemo regimen.  It's only day 3, the mass still feel the same;-(  Guess I should be a little more patient.

    Thank you!

    Leslie

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