Neratinib Clinical Trials
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For those of you in the trial - did you need to be done with chemo and Herceptin to start? I am node positive, and I finish my last Herceptin on May 9. I'm stage 2A. I'm really curious about this. Should I push it with my onc? Or do we look for a trial and then tell them about it? Does it have to be at your treatment center? Sorry if I sound clueless... Thanks for any info about possibly trying to start this process...
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I'd say discuss it with your Onc first. They may already be in the trial. If not or they don't want to be involved then contact the registry. Just goodle the Neratinib sight, it should give you locations of all the trials in your area. Contact them and they can lead you from there. Good Luck, I'm in month 4 myself. Going good except for the occasional diarreah.
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Hi,
I just finished my neratinib year last week, whoo hooo! It really wasn't that bad even with diarrhea almost daily. You can go down in dosage if necessary and control it with immodium (never leave home without it!) You do need to be finished with herceptin. 2 very good reasons in my mind to join the trial is to make the study results return faster (everyone that joins in adds to the necessary numbers) and neratinib crosses the blood/brain barrier where herceptin doesn't. So if you get the actual drug that's one less worry....
Good luck with everything and congratulations with finishing herceptin next week! That's an accomplishment!
Kathy
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Just an update here.
I'm still on the pills, waiting to see the onc this Wednesday. I still have on loose stool per day,and taking 1 antiD pill (2mg) per day. I stopped eating yogurt and cheese, and take 2 X-strong Tylenol when belly hurt too much.
It's manageable, but hope he will reduce the dose.
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Wonder if you ever had other side effects than diahrea?
Starting to have a bit of acnea, mouth sores... nothing to be worried of, but bugging.
Appointment this afternoon, really need the dose reduction, yesterday had a bad D at work, after 2 antiD pills was still feeling pretty bad...
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I also have the mouth sores and acne. The acne can get really bad at times. You would think I was a teenager again. I also have at least 1-2 noise bleeds a day. Not really anything big. Just when I blow my noise, since it seems to drip a lot, there is blood. Had a few sores inside my nostrils too. Still no period. Found out yesterday NOT to eat eggs & sausage before going to work. Must of been in the bathroom @ 5 times. Next month I hit the 6 month mark. 1/2 way through. Thank God. Good Luck to everyone. Leisa
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They stop me for a week, then will continue with 5 pills. Acnea is bad particularly on my LE arm. Also nose bleeding particularly in the morning. Tuesday and Wednesday had bad time with diarhea. Bizarre sensation around the mouth and nose, maybe the acne is tickening my skin. The week off from the pills is welcome.
Leisa, I you are superwoman to endure all this!
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I've had sores inside my noise as well. Almost from the beginning. It's really tender, hurts to blow it. Gets these little crusties in it. When I get them out it takes out lots of noise hairs. That really hurts. Just hoping this will all be worth it in the end. If it doesn't end up helping me at least it may help someone else. Good luck everyone. Leisa
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I am finished with the drugs. Had diarrhea most every day but managed to work. I stayed away from dairy products and that help. Nose sores were always there as well. I would make a mild saline solution every week and put some on the inside of my nose before blowing to soften the secretions. It made a difference. Good luck with the trial. You can do it!!!!!!!!
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Hi everyone
Just joining the thread since today is DAY 1 for me of the Neratinib trial. No diarrea yet (Took the pills about 8 hours ago), but have had a headache, nausea and maybe it's psychsematic, but a really itchy right wrist. I figure I'll know tomorrow if I got the drug for sure. Seriously, does everyone get this drug even though they say it's a double blind study?
Wow, I can't BELIEVE the list of side effects on this thread! The only ones they talked about with me were the diarrea and maybe some heart toxicity (low chance, just like herceptin. When I was on Herceptin, I got bad nose sores and bloody noses at the end--guess I've got that to look forward to.I'm really writing b/c I asked my Doc one more time today before starting why this trial was important for me--and he said it's b/c when cancer recurs in HER2+ women, it's generally more lethal and b/c I'm still considered young (42) we have to do everything we can to combat it. I'd never heard it put that way before--and now that I'm reading this thread, I see the "BBB" comments which I didn't know. Could that be what he was referring to?
And finally--is there a reliable statistic or figure that can say when it is MOST likely a recurrence will happen in someone with my DX (see signature for details). It's sounding like 3-5 years is generally the most likely period in HER2+ ladies.BTW, I finished my 12-mos of Herceptin in December, 2010. Thanks!!!
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I finished the Neratinib last week. I'm sure I had the real thing, but the diarhhea was manageable. Best wishes to all of you still in the trial. It is going to be very interesting to see the trial results years from now.
Boo
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Well day 3 on the trial and am starting to wonder whether I got the real deal or not. Bad headache and pretty nauseous on the first couple of days, then nothing of note today (I heard the diahrrea would start almost immediately but so far nothing). Anyone think there's a chance it needs to build up in my system before any side effects kick in? Or maybe I flat out got the placebo--and my nauseous was psycho induced. Bummer. I admit I'm a little disappointed if I didn't get the real deal.
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I had nausea and loss of appetite for about a month after starting the trial and mild diarrhea for about a week. I only got it occasionally after that mostly after eating too much sugary foods. I don't have too many symptoms any more. I do get terrible heart burn and acid reflux. I got that on herceptin as well. Also have bad hot flashes off and on and no menstrual cycle since I started the trial. I have been on it for 9 months now. Getting close to the end!
I have been told the first two years after diagnoses is the most dangerous time for recurrence. But, I have wondered if that changes with all the new drugs out there for us Her2+ ladies.
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Okay, I'm confused ~ "BBB" comments?
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Start at 5 pills Wednesday, the belly pain woke me in the night and had explosive diarreah Thursday morning. Had to stop again all symptoms rushed back in a blink of an eye. Surprisingly the neuropathies I had whyle on Taxol are coming back, hot flashes too, my legs are killing me, gosh.
I never, never had been sick like this on Herceptin. I feel like on chemo (and I have nausea which I didn't had on chemo or Herceptin). Seems I have the jackpot of S/E!
Leighanmar, "BBB" is for blood brain barrier. You mention your period stopped with the trial? That is a big side effect!!!
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Oh "Blood Brain Barrier", of course! Yeah I had no period while on Taxol/Herceptin then within a month of ending Herceptin I had a period. I started on the trial before my next period would start and missed that one and haven't had one since. Just read this article about placebos and drug trials...interesting.. http://www.healthiertalk.com/placebo-pills-more-just-sugar-027
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I spoke with the doc in my area who is bringing me back in to start all the prelim testing. I think it's blood work, an ekg and an echo? Is that right and is that all??
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Hi geewhiz - I had a chest x-ray also. And it sounds like you're going to have echos instead of Muga scans. (?) Good luck to you!
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I get EKG's, echo's & chest x-rays, also blood work everytime.
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It is so nice to read all the posts and realize the side effects are real and other people have them too. For what its worth, My onc reduced my dose to 5 pills and I think the protocol has to do with how many times you've had loose bowels (# per day) - I heard her talking with the research nurse and the number may be around 4+. My side effects are nose sores, mouth sores, heartburn and diarrhea. I've lost 12 lbs (lack of appetite) but I'm not complaining. Bananas help with the diarrhea a lot for me. I eat 1-2 per day.
Karyn
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Leighannmarie,
I am so glad you posted the link regarding the placebos. I found that news to be chilling! If the drug companies are making placebos with side effects which mimic those of the actual drug tested, I imagine their goal is to make the patient think that she's receiving the real drug. Hmmmm... I've noticed that as participants in this study begin the trial, they are often unsure if they're receiving the "real deal" or the placebo. When the crummy side effects begin, there's a sigh of relief, that the trial drug is actually being administered. I wonder if there's any way to find out what's in the placebo being offered in our trial? The mere idea of providing a woman (who has already been through so much trauma) a placebo with nasty side effects is appalling to me. Are there any women involved in this study who have had no side effects from the meds??
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RKR - My onc seems to think that they know who has the drug and who doesn't so I think the placebo in this trial is just that, a placebo.
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I was in the trial from January 2010-January 2011. I did not have the diarrhea/stomach cramping, etc. I assume I got the placebo.
Kward - Who is "they" - the drug company or the oncologist administering the trial? I know one woman on this site had a recurrence and had a difficult time finding out if she was receiving the drug or not so her onc could treat her appropriately.
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I'm at 4 pills a day and will probably go down to 3, the lowest dose thay can give. It's ok with me.
Kward, I have only one liquid diarhea per day, take 2 anti-d pills to go through my day and Tylenol for the constant abdominal pain. They surely take account of the other symptoms to reduce the dose, or I would still be on the 6 pills - and would have quit the protocol.
Even at 3 pills, if I still have those constant abdominal cramps, I quit. And by the way, no placebo can give pain like this for sure.
I also have the nose sore, nausea, the acnea, hurtburns, hotflash, my taste also has change and I eat less, and have fatigue. But this is all manageable, particularly when I think it may preserve me from brain mets for a year.
The major problem is the D and the pain it causes. When at 3, if it still there, will try to support it for a couple of week hoping it goes away.
My onc also knows who has the real thing - because of the side effects. He was surprise as I was the first patient to tell him that we chat like this on a forum, and he agreed that 3 pills was generally well tolerate. If a patient has a reccurrence, the protocol says that they are suppose to unblind her, but I suppose it may take a while... that is awfull as she might need treatment asap.
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Suemed--
Thanks for responding regarding your lack of side effects. I wish you the best! Is there anyone else out there who has participated in this trial with no side effects?
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RKR - Did you start reading from the beginning? If you didn't, go back and read them all. You will find a few who have had little to no side effects.
Me, I have them all
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SueMed - "they" meant my onc and research nurse. They say based on the sysmptoms they can tell who is on the drug or not. Even said to me "well we know you got the drug".
Karyn
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Thanks, kward. I thought maybe your administrator or research nurse told you that they knew who was getting the real thing vs. the placebo. When I told my onc that I thought I was getting the placebo, he said "Who knows? Maybe you're a moose and just don't have the side effects." I choose to believe that he was basing this on my tolerance of chemo/Herceptin and not any other moose-like factors!
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Hi, I've been in the trial since November 2010 and had pretty mild early side effects that stopped after three months. I have had very mild versions of some of the se's mentioned here besides the diarrhea: neuropathy in my feet and hands, mouth sensitivity. No skin stuff. My team believes I have the drug, but all side effects settled down and I stayed on the 240 mg to date.
It is true that some women who have the drug have no side effects at all. I was also a chemo moose, never took the oral decadron with chemo, reduced the iv decadron to 2mg with my Taxol infusion, and never had either diarrhea or constipation with dose dense ACTH. I didn't like chemo but I didn't really feel that ghastly compared to many other women.
I hope this helps. One other thing, you really do have to tell the docs about every single weird little thing. They know things about what they are looking for that we don't even notice. I had some flleeting nerve sensations near my mouth and lips three days after starting that sent everyone into a tizzy. I figured it was a tooth about to become a root canal or grinding casualty. They said it was a sign. It went away almost immediately, so it may not have made any difference. But they were clear that even those little things are big.
Warmly,
Cathy
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