Taxotere is a nightmare
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Oh, Emily, I am so happy for you! You'll be feeling better and growing hair before you know it. Congrats!
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I am on a weekly dose of taxotere for 12 weeks, just receieved my third treatment. I am having the same side effects, i actually just began developing mouth sores. I was unsure whether or not the side effects were due to the taxotere itself or the herceptin that i am also getting each week --it seems that they share similar symptoms. Wondering about everyone's experience with hairloss on this particular drug?
Stay strong!
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MonoVersesStereo,
I had Taxotere along with cytoxan and adrimycin. I did have some mouth sores after about the 2nd treatment. I sucked on ice for the following treatment the entire time I was getting the taxotere and I think this helped. I also used Biotene mouth wash. Make sure your onc knows that you had this side effect. I lost all my hair, but anyone of my drugs could be responsible. Good luck to you. Also popsicles can help with the mouth sores, and keep drinking your fluids.
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Hello everyone, Just had a second opinion on Friday and new onco wants to do Taxotere & AC x6 or TAC. I've breifly read thru this thread and now I think I may be terrified of it. Can you tell me about how many days the worse effects last. I was hoping that I would be able to work during treatments, thinking I'd have to take a week off after each one. Also, Chemo in general reduces your WBC - this is something that absolutely terrifies me, is there anything we can add to our diets and excercise routines to help increase naturally. Also, excercise, will I be able to get up and do a little bit everyday, I've been told by so many how important that is.
Thanks for any input.
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I have not found taxotere to be such a nightmare. I have been doing taxotere, cytoxan and zometa once every three weeks (till I've done it six times-just completed #5 on Wed). I think the weekend after my Wed. infusions were the worst. That's because it's when I would stop the steroids I had to take the day before, day of and day after treatment. Then the anxiety hit me bad. My onc adjusted the gradualness of getting off the steroids. I also took an extra Ativan or two to get thru the anxiety. Just for the weekend. I also take generic Pepcid along with my doctor perscribed nausea med, Compazine. The Pepcid is a huge help and prevents such a sour stomach. It took me a while before I realized it helped and to take it once a day for a week or so after treatment.
I am not one to play superwoman. I take a 5 days off plus a weekend after my chemo treatments. If, over the next several weeks, I have a bad day, I take that day off.
I have not had problems with my WBC. I work in a preschool/elementary and there's lots of kids that come in sick but I only got one cold since Februrary. The onco perscribed an anitbiotic. I take days off from work when I feel like it and do not make it rough on myself. There is no reason to try to soldier thru this, practice TLC on yourself. If you are able to take days off work, do it. Some days I go to work, I am glad to be there. Other days I need to be home.
The week after chemo has been my weakest, and then I feel moderately well the next two weeks. Some days I may be exhausted, other days I feel good. I think you just have to pace yourself. It is 5 days after my last treatment. I have a school banquet to attend this afternoon so I have done nothing but take it easy this morning because I want to have fun at the banquet.
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Thank you for the information, it does actually make me feel alittle bit better. TLC on myself?? That's a foriegn concept to me and one I definitely need to learn ASAP!
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mccrimmon324, I can't believe it someone who lives in my town. I also live in Punta Gorda FL. You are more than welcome to PM me if you need to talk or anything .
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Hi Stephanie,
I did FEC and am now on Taxotere. I would go with the gel cap, I kept my short cut hair for almost three months, but if you're worried about reccurence on scalp, don't. Icemitts and iceslippers of course. For nails I have a base polish, strenghtening with siliceum in it, two coats as advised, and then lightblue, red, pink or whatever color that makes me happy (as long as it isn't metallic or pearly they said at my clinic). It's important to have nailpolish and some color, as the nails react to sunlight. This is a great brand, http://www.laroche-posay.com/products-treatments/Silicium/Nails-r52.aspx Don't forget your toenails!
I started chemo in January and my nails are still ok. I also keep a good lotion in my fridge, for when I wake up at night with hotflashes. It's so good to rub your feet just a couple of minutes with something hydrating and cold :-)
Chew ice and drink cold drinks during the IV, it really helps with mouth issues. I forgot with the first round of Taxo, but not the second. The difference is amazing! Gargling salt or sodium bicarbonate helps too. My oncs asked me if I took an antihistamine, I take Aerius (like Claritin) to help with eventual allergic reactions to T. I didn't do Neulasta, nor was it suggested; the body can produce white blood cells by itself even if it takes longer time with chemo. I prefer not to manipulate my body even more than I do with FEC and T. And I heard of the SE's aswell, personally I don't believe it's worth it. During IV I wear an iced eyemask to keep brows.
I don't know if you're getting a portable catheter, but EMLA is great to numb that area too.
I was prescribed to take half a dose of steroids (Prednisolone) for an extra three days in the mornings (with T I take two pills five times over three days) to help with the SE's I experienced the first time. Today, five days after my second T I am up and about, tired but I can stand up straight! I believe a healthy diet, exercise between chemos, a positive mind, steriods (which aren't so bad after all!), massages, acupuncture and yoga helps me cope better with chemo. And of course, Stephanie, some drugs for constipation as you pointed out. Best of luck to you!
Emily, good for you! Right behind ya :-)
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mccrimmon324 I did 6 rounds of TCH. The first 3 not bad at all. I might have had a few not so great days but mostly from the Nuelasta shot (to boost your white counts) and that was only 1 rough day. Still not too bad. It got a little tougher the next few rounds but I was never out for a week. If I had a job I would have worked but would have taken some days off. Some of my bad days were on the weekend so I wouldn't have missed that much work.
We were all scared but for most of us it wasn't as bad as we thought. Seriously you can do this.
BTW my avatar is 2 weeks after my 4th TX. I was at an affair dancing that evening.
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mccrimmon, YES......TLC!!!! Practiced on yourself!!!! Try it, even in just little bits, but get used to it! That is my perscription for you...
lago I have loved your avatar from the moment i first saw it
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Regarding leg pain...
My thighs hurt and didn't stop hurting/being tight until just a few days ago and I'm 7 almost 8 weeks out of chemo....hang in there....eventually it subsides...
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Thanks all...so glad to be done chemo! Day 4 post chemo for me and the 25% reduction of taxotere hasn't made much difference as far as the misery but I think the steroid crash and neulasta contributes a lot more to the rough days than I realized. Counting the days until these bad days are behind me. Chemo fog is bad today...how many more of you will be soon joining me to celebrate the end of taxotere?? Neuropathy in toes isn't any worse. Legs are still weak but not any worse either.
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Emily - hang in there! When is your last tx or have you had it? You'll still have some SE's to work through but at least you know it is done and you can only get better from here
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Emily I hated chemo fog....I think my last tx was my worst tx ..... my last tx was February 17th and it took a while to feel good. I am still having leg ache issues. The feeling of burning thighs is gone , now they are at a constant dull ache...I work out 5 days a week and I am hoping that it will get better soon. The neuropathy is getting better everyday as well in my toes and fingers. I hate that we all have to go through this. I hope everyone starts feeling better.
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Marjie..my last chemo dose was May 13...
Tracie...glad to hear your neuropathy is improving. Mine is just in my toes..I iced my fingernails during taxotere so wondering if that helped with the hands....and the leg weakness is in both lower legs..sure hope that clears soon. I have been using a cane to go out if I have to walk any distance but only shop in stores with carts to hang on to right now.
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mccrimmon324, it appears that Taxotere affects different people differently. Some people have very few side effects.
It seems that it causes some fatigue with almost everyone, ranging anywhere from relatively mild to disabling for a few days after treatment, but seems to be much improved prior to the next treatment, and usually completely resolves. I continue to have some fatigue, but that is also slowly improving.
The pain can also range from fairly mild to very severe, and I found that it was worse when the fatigue was worse, and they sort of result together.
The neuropathy seemed to have some waxing and waning, and mine actually got much worse after my last treatment, with some symptoms worsening even as long as eight weeks after treatment. I am five months past my last Taxotere treatment (discontinued after three doses), still having neuropathy that I am going to be seeing a neurologist for.
My nails are still growing out and when the chemo lines grow out, that seems to be when they are most susceptible to trauma, and I have pulled them up multiple times as they are growing out, but never during the actual treatments. (Toenails have not even reached that stage yet).
I lost ALL my hair, and it is all coming back.
I was never offered icing of my fingers or ice chips to chew on during infusion, and have not really seen any studies that indicate this to be helpful or harmful. If I had known about it ahead of time though, I would certainly have tried it. I did not discover this thread and all this information until I was finishing my last round of chemo.
I did try using L glutamine to prevent neuropathy, and it may or may not have worked. There are some other nutritional supplements that might be helpful but there is such minimal evidence in all of the medical literature. I have a colleague who actually does research on neuroprotective agents, but they have not published the results yet, and it is still very early in this area of research. I have encouraged her to continue her research and publish when she finds positive results so that they can be used clinically.
What I have found here is a very supporting group of women who will share their experiences with you, including the good, the bad, and the ugly. And remember that the good is these drugs kill cancer cells.
I have been complaining to my MO and my PCP for months about my lack of energy and continued neuropathy, and initially I was told it would "take a little while"to recover, which I interpreted as being a couple of months. When I finally kept complaining and persisting, they told me it would take a year to two years to feel better and get back to almost normal. My PCP yesterday told me that it was likely that I would never get back to "normal" but that I would continue to improve.
Tracie, Tonlee, Lago, Marjie, Christine, thedvinemrs, and all the newly-completed and newly-starting, I send thoughts of lovingkindness, and may we all practice self-lovingkindness.
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I diligently iced all my nails and wore clear polish and now that I am past my 6th and last treatment, I can say that not only are my nails in tact and growing, but I have no lines or pain and they look better than ever... I also have wondered if the icing helped with neuropathy as it warded off the chemo from the tips of my extremities... will never know. I did not use cold caps as my MO said it could affect the efficacy of the chemo to my scalp, and now that I am done, I believe that is very possible since I think the ice protected my feet and hands.
I am one and a half weeks post chemo and still a little tired,, but the hair is growing and I still have my lashes and some of my brows (at least they are even)... I lost the tail of my brow for the most part... nothing a little pencil can't resolve.
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bdavis - I iced, my nails are just fine, I have neuropathy in both fingers and toes.
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I'm 8 weeks out and have some residual numbness come and go in the tips of my toes...don't know if that is from chemo or a pinched nerve in my spinal girdle area....
I didn't lose all my eyelashes (yet) or my eybrows (yet)..though they got really really wimpy and were blond so it was like not having them...Now they're growing back ON ONE SIDE dark...on the other side blond. How weird is that?
My hair is coming in much darker than ever before...I don't know if I'll qualify as a legit blond anymore...have to wait and see...lol. It went from white platinum blond to honey blond with my 1st baby, and ash blond with my second...maybe chemo is my 3rd baby...and I'll be light brown...
Have a great weekend everyone!
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bdavis, my sister used to be a Mary Kay consultant, and was very helpful with the eyebrow pencil to help camaflouge the eyebrow loss. Funny thing was that I didn't even really notice how very thin they got until I came out of the chemo fog about a month after the last treatment, and I never got around to actually using that pencil! lol! I think the bangs from my wig came low enough over my forehead and I had other things to worry about, like whether it was slipping too far forward, backward or sideways to deal with the eyebrows!
I actually had only one wig mis-hap, and that was with my neighbor, so nothing embarassing in public, thank goodness!
Tonight I am washing all my wig liners and my 2 wigs and will donate them to the "wig shop" at lour local cancer center which then provides them free to women who cannot afford them. My hair is salt & pepper, very thick, about an inch and a half long, and is just as unmanageable as it ever was! Some things never change.... lol.
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Hello Ladies, Firefly suggested I write you. Completed Tax #5, One more to go. My white blood count drops VERY low {0.3} I get Neuporgen 480 mg injections for the 5 consecutive days following my infusion. I would like to add glutamine to my regimen. Onc said the powder mixed in a beverage is most effective. He thinks 10 mg 4x a day for a few days during chemo treatment this Thurs.,but he's not sure. What dosage? During which days? Which beverages are best? Thank you, ButterflyGarden
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Omaz... I iced the nails, but I think a benefit for me was maybe it helped with the neuropathy as well... I haven't had any problems in that field either.
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bdavis - That's good. Maybe the icing kept mine from being worse - who knows with all these things!! I am glad you did not get neuropathy, it sometimes can take a while to resolve, mine is still there, I am 5 months PFT. I wish they would offer more women the fingernails and toenail icing, it is easy and if it can prevent even a few problems more the better.
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I iced my fingers, and wore acrylic nails the entire time...no problems.
The woman in the chair beside me taking TCH didn't ice and she didn't have any nail problems either.
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Makes sense, only 30% roughly are at risk for mild trouble.
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Had exchange surgery and couldn't get a vein for IV. They were there then vanished, nurse said from Tax. they call them "ghost' veins. I have a very bad bruise on my hand and dryness from where they tried to get the needle in first, they had to do it in my arm and it also bruised. Good luck with the neuropathy, it is so hard to deal with.
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There is a woman at work who started after me and ended before me... and I kept suggesting she ice, but never did... she said she was fine, but the other day I saw her nails and half of them were black, so I asked her about it and she said her doctor said it wasn;t the chemo and she must have hit the nails... I found that really hard to beleive and told her I thought it was the chemo and to trim her nails to prevent further damage...so even if you make it thru chemo seemingly unscathed, it can show up later.. thats the moral of my story.
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bdavis - That is true! When I was getting ready for chemo one of the ladies here at BCO told methat the problem with her nails actually showed up after chemo. I read that elsewhere since as well. Can't believe a doc would tell her the black nails wasn't the chemo, geez.
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My toenails became much worse after I ended chemo… granted there were ones that were problems early on but overall my nails look much worse now than they did during most of chemo.
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My hands and toes got worse once chemo ended..my fingernails look like scales... but the color is so much better and I think I am to the end of the scaling... LOL. HATE TAXOTERE !!! I hope everyone is doing well? I am going in June 2nd for TE surgery , partial hysterectomy and port removal...... My anxiety attacks are as big as Texas.... uuuggghhhh
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