Who has opted for BMX?
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5 years out since Dx and bilat....immediate recon with expanders.....chemo and rads followed bilat....I now have silicone implants.....both the surgeons I interviewed recommended that I do bilat....and so glad that I did as the prophy side came back pre-cancerous....had I not done the bilat, I would be going down this road again...and once is more than enough...When I was Dx, it was the first time that I was ever called back.....all previous mammos were normal.....hopefully, NED will continue to be my dance partner for years to come....
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I think I'm in the minority because I just did lumpectomy. Going in I thought I had DCIS so no lymph node removal either. My breast surgeon did discuss BMX with me on the day I got my pathology report showing ILC but I think I was in a state of shock getting this new information. I went to see the ONC and he thought BMX might be overkill. Next I had more surgery for sentinel node removal and that came back clear. I did not want anymore surgery so opted for RADS and then went on Tamoxifen. That was back in Nov of 2008 so I'm not that far past diagnosis.
I did not know about breastcancer.org back then and was relying on books I had been reading. My cancer was seen on mammo as calcifications, my own very thorough doctor had examined me in Dec of 2007 and found no lumps. It was not palpable at all because it was so small. I know now that I was lucky the mammo picked it up. I have had a lot of followup including one MRI last year.
If I turned back the clock I don't know if I would have handled it differently. I think it really depends on your own set of circumstances, including age, whether or not you have kids. I am older at 59 and have no kids. -
BirdyRobin: I had two MRI-guided core biopsies. The procedure will initially be similar to your first MRI scan. You'll be in that same position on your tummy. You'll get contrast again and a baseline scan. There's a lot of going in and out of the machine. To do the biopsy they'll scan you again with the breast gently compressed between two gridded panels, one on the outside of the breast and one on the inside of the breast. The panels have openings (for biopsy needles) and reference measurements. They'll pull you out of the machine and ask you not to move. The radiologist uses the grid to determine at what coordinates to insert the biopsy needle based on the scan. They might make a small incision first. The biopsy needle has depth measurements to help the radiologist determine how deep he/she needs to go to be in the right spot. They'll insert a clip as they do for most breast biopsies and they'll do a "gentle mammogram" afterwards to check the position of the clip.
I'm sure each facility and each radiologist has variations to the procedure, but that's the way it happened for me. It really wasn't too bad. I didn't take anything (Valium, etc) for the initial MRI so I didn't take any for the biopsy either.
Best of luck - I hope it goes smoothly and your results are good!
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Tina, I do not know if I ever told you I like your gargoyle, but I do.
Thank you for the info. I didn't take anything for my first biopsy, but I wished I had, mentally I was fine however when I was done I coudn't stop shaking. Some kind of odd nervous reaction? I don't know. So this time doc game a med to stop nausea and nerves. The contrast dye made me nauseous. Nasty stuff.
Thank you for writing to me and letting me know your experiences.
Robin
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I just checked in on this thread - despite having marked it as a favorite, BCO hadn't sent me emails about new posts like it has for my other favorite threads. In any case, I am happy to read all of the posts, what a wealth of information.
I saw my BS yesterday and told him I was thinking of bilat. He said that was reasonable with ILC. I still have a couple of more tests later this week - MRI and 2 lymph node biopsies. He said to continue to give it thought and go with my gut. I see him again next Tuesday.
One of the questions I ask myself is would I regret doing it, or not doing it? It seems alot of you don't regret doing it. I'm wondering if there are others that regret going bilateral with BC only on one side?
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Debbsie, I wanted a BMX, from the minute i was told, not a second thought, my BS said she would do both but she was not sure what we were looking at till she got in there, she said there is a bit more of a chance of problems healing two breasts,unless needed, if that was to happen it could prolong chemo or anything else i might need to do, I saw a PS the next day to talk about expander's, he said again, until my surgery, it is not known whether or not i need radiation, he said that could cause issues with my expanders, Both DR were willing to do what i asked but i was so scared i said ok just do the cancer side, my right breast, i decided when chemo was over i would take the other side when i started my reconstruction, next week i have an appt to consult. I have been walking around for a year now with one boob, lol leaning to the left. i have had no regrets and i want the other one gone as well, im young, they told me if i keep my real one we could keep a close eye one it. nope! that was not good enough for me, and with ILC, to boot.. whether we were to catch it early or not, i don't ever want to be on the table again waiting! Now when i start my reconstruction, i will take the other side.
for me, i am a type of girl that will look over her shoulder......trust yourself -
BirdyRobin: I felt a bit shaky too, but I chalked it up to being a bit chilly, being a bit nervous, and probably tensing up a lot in an effort to hold perfectly still. You know, the kind of hold still where you find yourself taking little shallow breaths even though they tell you you can breath. Then you think, "Well, I've been breathing this way.....will I move too much if I start breathing differently?"
The gargoyle lives in my garden. It was a gift from a good friend who has also gone on the BC journey so I think of us both sticking our tongues out at breast cancer every time I walk past it!

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I went back for the prophylactic on the other side, after I finished treatment. I wish I'd done them both at the same time.
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debbsie: I've read lots of stories of women who have regretted being too conservative with their surgery choices (lumpectomy over mastectomy or unilateral over bilateral). I can't say that I've read any stories from women with regrets about making the choice for more aggressive surgery (bilateral over uni or mastectomy over lumpectomy). I agree with your observation, it seems that most women who have chosen bilateral when they have a unilateral diagnosis are happy with that decision. This seems especially true for those of us with lobular CA.
(Edited here - There obviously are also many women who choose conservative surgery and do very well and are very happy with their choice!)
Best wishes!
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may also be in the minority-- had a lumpectomy with chemo and radiation. No one ever recommended an mx or bmx--- never occurred to me either since everyone I had known with bc had had a lumpectomy. The surgeon's position was that the lump was discrete with absolutely no evidence of spreading- clear nodes-- wide margins.... so we went with that. It felt right in my gut, if you know what I mean. I have never regretted it. this fall, when I had a little scare on the other side, I just figured I would do another lumpectomy. But, as we know, everyone has their own threshold on this stuff. As I prepare for my 6 month visit and MRI, I am a little anxious, but my gut tells me everything is ok...... we shall see
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My ILC showed up when they went in for my reincision for IDC, It had not showed up on my mammagrams or my MRI. With that said I choose BMX,I didnt want to take any chances.
Nancy
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Does anyone here have good or bad stories with BMX/TE at front end followed by chemo and radiation? I( can take the bad stories as easily as the good so please don't demur.)
I'm just curious what I might expect with TE's and post BMX treatments.
Best,
Kat
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Katarina,
I had a right MX and left proph MX with tissue expanders placed. I had a prob with skin necrosis (yuck) and had to go for an additional surgery for a skin graft. This delayed my chemotherapy by several weeks. I think I was right at the upper limit for what they were comfortable with (from diagnosis to chemotherapy was around two months). That was very scary for me. However, now that I've reached a calmer period (coming up to 3yrs since diagnosis), I realize that since I have ILC the chemotherapy may not have had much impact for me (but I was very glad to have it as it seems to have helped other stage III ILCers who had neo-adjuvant chemo). In fact, I wish I had had ovarian suppression immediately. I think they wanted to ease me into menopause with the "chemopause". I know now that the hot flashes aren't a big deal for me, so I wish they had gone ahead with it. But, we make the best choice we can with the information at hand.
I had AC and dose dense T followed by radiation. I still have my expanders in (I got tired of surgery - port placement then removal later was done too). I am going to have a bilateral DIEP done in Nov. I don't love my radiation "tan" but it's faded somewhat and my MX scars are fading too. I will say that the expanders feel like I have suction cups on my chest. But I have just gotten used to it. I was very large chested before and love that I never ever wear a bra (even while doing Zumba
. I have to get a small thrill somewhere, right? I'd be fine with getting implants since my expanders are ok, but one of them does dig into my rib a little. also it has ripples that feel like there's a freezer bag in my chest. But it's not bad at all. I'm just a "no stone left unturned" kind of person so I want to go for the Diep. -
Kat, I have a BMX then chemo and rads. I had TE's put in at the BMX. I started having "fills" about 2 mos post surgery. I was doing chemo by then (AC, Taxol and Avistan). I didn't have any trouble with the fills then. The TE's were hard as rocks, My problem came when I went to see rad onc to set up the radiation. The Rad Onc had the saline drained out of the TE's. He felt he couldn't get the correct angle with me expanded. I was frustrasted but understood I wanted to do what I had to. PS drained all but 50 cc's out (I was at 650 cc) at the time. That was harder for me than I expected - emotionally. I felt like I was losing my boobs a second time.
Anyway, rads went really well for me. My skin held up nicely. Unfortunately, because my skin looked so good post rads that the PS underestimated the amount of muscle contraction. He tried to put in 200 cc's on the first re-fill. It caused me tremendous amount of pain. It sent my chest into severe muscle spasms. I actually thought for awhile I was having a heart attack. After that they only put in 100 cc's at a time. Each time I had to take vicodin and muscle relaxers. It still hurt a lot but I pushed through it.
I had my exchange surgery 4/19. I feel so much better now! The TE's being gone is awesome! I went with silicone implants. The new ladies look nice but are still just starting to drop into place.
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I too chose BMX. I had DCIS in right breast and LCIS in left. Recommended treatment was right lumpectomy and 35 treatments of radiation and 5 years of tamoxifen. I could not face all that and then worry about it coming back. I am an RN and I have seen too many women get all hacked up over and over when the cancer came back. I can only tell you what was right for me. I will pray for you. I am here for you. Going through expansion process now.
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After talking to my BS at MSK,she gave me the option of lump or mx,I was going for a mx,but since I have large breasts,she didn't think I needed to be so drastic.I gave her 1 chance to get clean margins,and she did.We already knew it hit my lymph nodes,since that is the only thing that presented on my mammo.I keep praying I made the right choice,so far so good.
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Opted for BMX the second I heard the C word. Many people tried to talk me out of it. I was not going to live with the anxiety of wondering every 6 months, and did not want to put my family through that. So, 5 months ago, off they came (and they were really nice too!) and I have no, none, nada, zero regrets. Was told recon would be in about a year, (just finished rads last month) but I highly doubt I will do it. I figure the less surgery, the better. I just wear my pre-bmx super duper victoria secret bras and I look totally the same. (well except still wering wigs!) Good luck w your decision.
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Tina, love the story of the gargoyle, lol. Tongue thing
.I agree with you , I have spoken with a few women now who were pleased they has gone with the aggressive treatment. I know I do not want to be in and out of surgery several times rather than getting it taken care of at once.
Choices are a very personal thing. There are no right or wrong answers. It is up to you and your family and what is right for you, What ever your choice is you will find support from women who have been through it all, right here.
God bless us all.
Robin
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Ilc 3.8 mm, LCIS scattered in 4 blocks, history on mother, aunt, greatgrandmother, and grandmother on dad's side with cancer- bilateral was the only way I would go. Docs along the way have said- right decision.
Family members were pretty oppositional! One step reconstruction/ immediate..... its such a personal decision- good luck to all
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It is tough! It's hard getting "advice" from friends and family members who haven't been in our shoes. My (6) biopsies were spread over several weeks because some were done with ultrasound and some with MRI. For a few weeks (when all we knew was the lobular CA) I planned to have a lumpectomy. I had a friend respond by saying that SHE would choose mastectomy "in a heartbeat." When the DCIS was found (same breast) and I told an acquaintance that I was choosing bilateral mastectomy over unilateral she practically chewed me out, "Aren't you being awfully drastic? ... Why aren't you getting another opinion? ... I certainly wouldn't rush into something like that..." Ugh!
All we can do is gather up as much info as possible, look at the statistics available, weigh the pros and cons, and make what we feel is the best decision for us.
Have a lovely weekend everyone!
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After my MRI last week coming back with a THIRD mass in the right breast, I'm definitely going for MX. There was also an area of enhancement on the left that only shows on MRI, so I have MRI guided biopsy of that this week. I'm seriously considering bilat since every test I have shows something new, and who know what isn't showing on the images? ILC is so hard! My DH is encouraging me to go bilat, and luckily we have a family friend who chose that route a couple of years ago, so the family reaction isn't as bad as it could be.
Happy Mother's Day everyone!
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Hello All,
Been absent over the weekend. I had a good mom's day hope you all did too.
Went to bs today, I have bc in both breasts. My bs thinks doublemx is the best option for me. So on the 16th I will have my surgery then a few days after I will have all my labs tests back and I will see my onc.
Today I had to have a chest xray, is that just to check airway and clean lungs for anesthesia, or something more ominus? I have been dealing with so much cancer lately my mind immediatly jumps to more bad stuff.
Tomorrow I have to go in for a cbc and ekg. Then I should be set for surgery.
Ya know what the hardest part so far for me has been........this weekend (Saturday) I cut all my long hair off. Oh my gosh....that was so hard. I thought I was going to cry. I told the stylist what was going on and afterwards she gave me a hug. Nice girl : ).
Robin
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BirdyRobin: I had two forms of BC (ILC and DCIS) in the same breast, but had ADH removed from the other breast two years ago. At surgery I had another area of lobular neoplasia and multiple areas of ADH that weren't seen on any of my imaging studies (including MRI). I suppose these may have been so early that they would have been taken care of by radiation and hormone blockers had I opted for lumpectomy, but it really solidified that I made the right decision for me when I chose bilateral mastectomy.
The chest X-ray and EKG help the anesthesiologist to know if any special precautions need to be taken or if one drug might be better for you than another. Pretty standard surgery stuff...
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Tina
I am starting to believe your part gaurdian angel.Thanks for the reply.
The hair thing seems trivial, I'll get over it so long as I stay proactive. I ordered a wig. Simular to my other style. Thats good.
Thanks
Robin
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Good Luck in your highly personal choice decision.
I had just a 1.8 CM tumor. I was presenting with the choice of having a lumpectomy. This is something that has been on my mind for almost 10 years with my mom's own diagnosis. She opted for the lumpectomctormy/radiation route but after getting in there they wanted to do mastectomy/radiations. I asked her why she didn't do both at the same time for recurrence. She stated she didnt know that was an option.
For me it was the best decision I think I could've made. I would not be having the piece of mind that I am experiencing now
Good Luck!
Nora
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BirdyRobin - I completely understand the hair thing. For me that was one of the hardest parts. I had hair down th middle of my back as well. I waited until after my first chemo and then we had fun with it. I put it up in a ponytail and cut it then my DH gave me a mohawk. My boys were always testing me with wild haircuts growing up so I figured I would go with it. They both loved the pictures of me that way. Anyway, I got a wig but couldn't bring myself to wear it. That was the only time I felt really sick. So I developed a new fetish.....hats. I had a hat for every pair of shoes....and I have LOTS of shoes.

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Katarina...I had bilat with TE,chemo and rads...all my fills were done during chemo and was done with fills 2 1/2 monts before I started rads.....exchange 7 months post rads....my skin has done pretty well....only problem was with implant on bc side falling and having the pocket fixed...did it twice as I did not like my first set of implants, so when BC side fell a little a second time, decided I would swap both implants out for a smaller size...this July will be 3 years and all is well....I look good in clothes....but naked....well what can I say, they are not the middle age saggy boobs....
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GrneyD I don't mean to turn this into a hair forum but I like the hat and shoe thing. I like shoes so maybe the I should start collecting more hats I have about 5 now.
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Robin--i was going for an elective BMX because of family hx. Many cousins and aunts. Had the Mammo--it was clean---letter in hand that said ned see you next year. Had Mri in DEC because it was end of year and thinking and deductibles, got it done. Phone call 2 days latter. We went from there. I never hesitated for a moment about getting them both off. Not with my family history. Did saline implants.
In a do over I might seriously consider deip flap., These implants still cause me pain daily. I didn't know if it was a PS problem or what, but they are not comfortable at any time. He came highly recommend. He does them routinely. I 'm still so angry with him I haven't gone back to discuss it. I did have a complication Aug of 2010. My Husband Greg died, he almost feel out of bed after he passed. I wasn't going to let that happen. I caught ,lifted pushed . Whole arms, chest, foob. back hurt till this day, but progressively less. Plus my PS made me away lot bigger than I want to be. I lost 23 lbs with the initial phase, then another 30-33 lbs with my husbands phase. So. these huge boobs are so uncomfortable. He put in the max allowed of 850cc. I probably should have been in the range of 550-600cc.
SO, the point there is talk with Whippetmom ----on" The sizing 101 thread"-------she is a GREAT resource for help to figure size based on build. I didn't find the forum until after. BUMMER.
I like scarves because they are so creative, I had all my old ones from the 60-70's. They were bigger than what you can find now, because head wrapping was in.
Tired now-----------good luck--sas
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Oh Sas! I envy you your beautiful scarves : ). I bet there great! My sister Rhonda had long blond hair in the 60-70's I remember her beautiful hair and scarves. Hold onto those scarves, they must be gorgeous!
Thank you for the info I will look up the past. I think I will be doing one of the flaps though.
Cyber Hugs
Robin
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