DIEP 2011
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WOO HOO! Have had >30 cc drainage the last two days. Emailed the nurse and she told me to go ahead and take them out. Went to do it and the stitch had broken and it was partially out anyway so just yanked it. Freedom! (Except for the binder, of course.) Now I can sleep on either side.
For those who have mentioned it, don't sweat the marking. It was very business like and actually made me feel like the process was finally beginning. The waiting and appointments, tests, etc. were over. I was in a teaching hospital and there were a few other Dr's there but they do these all the time and I figured they had seen better and worse.
I am back in for consultation on the next step in two weeks but may try to put it off until Nov as I love gardening, summer and fall and we have kids and grands coming in the summer. The next generation has taken over the holiday responsibilities so II can just concentrate on sleep and work from Nov to Apr.
Next week is my first visit to the oncologist. I am sweating that one a little but guess it pays to know what you're dealing with.
I am so glad I have this place to come to.
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Yeah Dawn... I will be down there while you are.. I arrive the 14th and leave the 17th... Glad you have a date down there and can have your nodes checked to determine future treatment... i am actually going to ask if i should have my port out pre-surgery or let them do it... It really doesn't matter to me, but if they can make it prettier, then they can do it while thery are in there. I too will have Dr D and Dr S ...
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XRAYestInMA: WhenI get questions or opinions about "why" I chose reconstruction or "why" I am getting nipple tattoos I either then them a) I need them if I'm going to be the most famouse 50 year old stripper in the world or b) I like to change my boobs out every 10 years or so....It keeps my marriage exciting as my husband thinks he's got a new sex partner every time.
I don't usually get many more questions after that (probably because they are dumbstruck at what I just said, but that's they're problem).
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I am so glad to find this thread! You are all so awesome. I needed to hear you all with your positive and humorous attitudes! I tend to try to approach things that way as well, but its hard when you don't have anyone that relates to these issues. I never even thought about the tattoos being anything besides aeroles and nipples! How about these?
hee hee! I did consider some kind of tattoo to camoflauge the scar from my port, on the other hand I would feel that one being done. Anyway, I am scheduled for the surgery on June 8 and I was getting very cold feet...but I am feeling better about it now. Thanks.
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@ brigadoonbenson - omg you pulled out your own drains?!?!? Wow, that is hardcore! Mine were like a foot long it seemed like. EEOOWW-za!
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Quite long, yes, but no feeling. It is just the idea I guess. My husband and I had pulled drain #3 so I knew it was not painful. It's a 4 hour trip back to the PS office and that was incentive enough!
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I had a 15 minute trip to the PS office, but I guess to save a 4 hour trip I would have considered yanking them myself too!
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OMG there is considering and then there is doing....I suppose a lot of it is fear factor and they DO just pull them out when you are at the dr. so it probably didn't feel any different. BUT
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I have been lurking rather than posting, but I've been busy and missed a ton. Wow what great updates. The marking reminded me of my reduction surgery at 19. I was actually anxious when my mastectomy surgeon DIDN'T mark me up. (And I think it would have been tidier if he had. The incision is tighter than the rest and makes a groove, almost.) But pulling your own drain? awesome. Mine was removed by a nurse with dirty gloves, so I spent a week on keflex. One good dose of Tylenol 3 and pulling my own drain vs. a week on the stinkiest antibiotic, qid -- so hard to choose. But seriously, thanks to everyone for the upbeat and realistic updates. I don't have the DIEP consult until June and in a perfect world would be going into battle in the Fall but won't really know much till June. I'll be sustaining myself with reassuring war stories from you gals in the mean time.
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dsnydawn and bdavis, I'll be in NOLA from May 10-20th, and at the hospital from the 12th - 15th. Hope to see you gals, though picturing myself there is pretty surreal, at this point.
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If I stop by the hospital over the weekend to say HI.. how do i find everyone.. maybe you should have DIEP 2011 or BC.org on your doors with your user name... LOL
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eeewww --- keflex is so stinky! I tried liquid this time because I couldn't bring myself to down those huge horse pills but the liquid smells just as bad. I ended up alternating between liquid and pills depending on what I felt I could tolerate. I also held my breath, that helped.
I teased my husband about pulling my drains -- then the nurse said he could have and when I saw what the charged my insurance company . . whew . . .next time I would consider it! I thought it was cool when they pulled all those wires and tubes out. Am I weird?
For those of you who have upcoming DIEP's, there are a couple of great posts that give a list of suggested items to take to the hospital and what to have on hand at home . . . I think they might be in the DIEP 2010 thread, but I'm not sure. One thing I would add to the 'have at home list' would be a list of pharmacies and their hours and phone numbers, especially the closest 24 hour pharmacy. We had to change up some of my post op meds and when the on call doc called back, we were scrambling to track down the info. You probably won't need it, but its good to be prepared. -
Hi just a lump update, bs said it was a enlarged LN and he biopsied it . He said to him it didn't look like any cancer and he is pretty sure it will come back neg. Yeah !!! Prayers answered again !!!
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I like that "come back negative" part.
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I'm preparing for my big ol' surgery this coming Tuesday. Got my Rx all filled. You;re right! The Keflex stinks like sulphur. At least the pills aren't the size of my big toe! I think I can swallow those suckers. Now the pain killers are another story. Huge. Strategically huge, I think. I have a hard time swallowing pills. Forgot to ask for the the NON-childproof caps. My kiddo can open them anyway, so maybe I can ask her to open mommies pills for me.
Just ordered the post-surgery bras my NP recommended. I hope I got the right size, because I really goofed up on the larger than usual granny pants. I don't remember when I last bought underwear, but I thought a size 12 would be bigger than usual and comfortable, etc. I think, if I sew the leg holes shut, I can use them for grocery bags! LOL! They are GINORMOUS!!! Soon to be a gag gift item.
Don't know what else to do to prepare at this point. Cleaning house (as if I'm going on vacation. Ha!) Any tips at this point would be appreciated.
Good night.
Lady Lois Marjorie Mish Finley
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Hi All...
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Charlottesmamma Good luck to you on tues. I will be thinking of you and saying some prayers for a very speedy recovery. I am 4 weeks out and mowed the lawn yesterday My wonderful sister bought me some BurtsBees lotion yesterday, cause once the hair started growing on my legs and "down there" Iam itching like a mad woman. Lotion is paraben free and very nice stuff although I noticed very expensive. The sun is finally shining so I am headed outside, have a wonderful day everyone.
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Carberry, where did you have your surgery? I just noticed you are in the Finger Lakes. I will be going to Crouse in Syracuse. I am wondering if you have the same PS as me, Dr. Deboni. He has a good rep and I have met one of his satisfied patients. My radiologist even told me that if she ever had the need she would go to him.
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Betsy, that's what I said, yeah!! I will be there from 9-19th. somone mentioned putting our screen names on our doors, so we can recognize each other. Do you know if they will be able to place my port? I wasn't sure if that was something they would do or I would have to do it at my local hospital (which would stink)... Jerusha, I will be looking for you too!! Hopefully we will be able to meet up with everyone after.
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Dawn...My MO suggested they take mine out, so I would imagine they can put one in, right?? Usually they are put in through the radiology department, at least in my case... I may have them take it our, but then i need to wait til July... or I may just have it out in early June.. just one more procedure, so I don't know... It doesn't bother me, and my MO thought the PSs could incorporate it into my surgery and pretty it up.
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I did my first craft fair today at 4 weeks, 3 days after my 2 surgeries. I did great, wasn't tired at all throughout the day (I am now!), only took 2 advil and had fun being around all of the BC girls. The event was a fundraiser for Breast Cancer Angels who provide support for women (and men) who have great financial need as a result of BC. They provide housing, money, food, clothes - whatever they can and whatever is needed the most. It is a very inspiring organization and it was great to be a part of this event - especially now!
While Ihate this disease, I really love the amazing way it brings people together.
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Charlottesmamma: I hope you are enjoying your weekend!
I 'dolled' up my toenails with polish and decals right before my surgery, had a little moment with my belly button, appreciating it for all the years we spent together, updated my IPOD playlist with music for pre and post op, and put together an email update group so my sister could easily let everyone know when I was out and then I used it to send out updates. I had my little notebook computer at the hospital, that was a nice way to stay in touch.
My husband's birthday was right before my surgery, so we also had a nice dinner out, although I was careful to eat light to lesson constipation issues after surgery.
Some things I thought would work for me didn't, so had my support people make a couple of store runs for me once I was home. While you are in the hospital you should be all taken care of. Some things you really only need for the first couple of days after you get home. You'll be surprised how quickly you will recover once they get you up and walking.
I am big on using visualization, so when I felt any concern, I would visualize my surgical team surrounding me, my family in a circle around them, and then all my friends in a circle just outside my family. I knew that everyone would be looking out for my best interests. I was very calm going into surgery. I visualized everything going smoothly and after surgery, I visualized angel wings beating over my incisions and an army protecting me from infection standing guard at all the places infection might enter. Maybe it sounds weird, but it works great for me!
I did also make sure that everyone washed or gelled before handling me! Keeping nice and warm will also help your body's defenses, so ask for blankets or whatever you need to stay toasty and comfy!
I'm sure things will go beautifully for you! Keep us posted!
Kathy / treesprite
PS: thick juice, like apricot nectar sometimes makes the big pills go down easier. -
Alexanjb- I am in-between Roch and Syr but am nore familiar with Roch through training as a nurse. Through the wonderful internet I found Dr. Caldwell as my surgeon and Dr. Vega as my PS and they were wonderful! I have a friend that is a Dr. here in the FL and he recommended Dr. Caldwell. I gooogled "NY surgeon with most experience in breast surgery" and I got Caldwell, so I just kept asking around to get confirmation about my decision as I was petrified!!! If your Docs came recommended then you did your homework and you should feel confident that you made a good choice. I also did the same with the PS to make sure he had done several Diep and was proficient. Good luck to you, what procedure are you doing?
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Kathy, I love your visualizations!
I updated my ipod beforehand also, and was glad I did, I used that a lot more the tv in the hospital and trying to get to sleep or pass time in bed at home. Relaxing tunes helped a lot.
I did borrow a walker and shower chair for home, the walker wasn't necessary but it was helpful the first 5 days or so. The shower chair was very helpful.
We also installed a "handheld sprayer" type of shower head before surgery...also great. As a matter of fact, now that I'm 9 weeks out, washing the dog and cleaning the tub has never been easier and I wish I had done this 10 years ago!
And charlottesmama, I love that Burt's Bee's lotion also, my mom bought me the hand cream and the body butter and I love them. I'm even putting them on my incisions now.
Friends, co-workers, and family organizing to bring us (vegetarian!) meals was so awesome and helpful. I so appreciated how everyone went out of their comfort zone to figure out what we could eat, and it was so great having yummy meals for dh to heat up.
I'm sure lots of women feel better wearing make-up and doing their hair every day, but for me it was about a 6 week hiatus on make-up and the curling iron or straightener, and I loved it. Hey, I wasn't feeling 100%, why to I have to put out to the world that I am? It was one less thing to do. And I wore a nightgown and robe until my drains came out. I just didn't even feel like dealing with pants having the abdominal drains and compression garment. I wore yoga pants to my recheck at the ps.
Good luck on Tuesday, it does feel about as busy as leaving for vacation, I think things will go great for you charlottesmama!
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Thanks Carberry, I think I am having the DIEP flap, but my surgeon didn't actually use that term. He did use the word perforator though....it felt like a good consult but shortly after leaving I felt confused and overwhelmed over what was said and the fact that I had an appointment for surgery so fast after one consult appointment. I am hoping that the paperwork I was told they were sending would help me to regroup and absorb the information. I have read the Breast Reconstruction Guidebook several times and I have been read the posts here and elsewhere. I know that the PS is qualified for the DIEP. And the way he explained it sounds like the DIEP, except he did throw in there using mesh if he needed to and something about possibly using a small bit of muscle (which means free tram flap, right?) From reading these posts it seems like they can't always be sure until they get in there, and I can understand that, if they can't get good vessels for transfer it won't work. I think he was going over all possibilities and sometimes I was still stuck on the last thing he said while he was on to the next thing. He didn't say anything about a stage II other than eventually he has a woman come in to do a tattoo for the nipple, and that the other breast might need a lift for matching. I am very encouraged that you could ride the lawn tractor at 4 weeks out, how did you feel afterwards? I feel very scared and alone about this surgery. The PS said it was a 6 hr surgery, the day of surgery and the next in ICU for monitoring the blood flow, 4-5 days in the hospital and 6-8 weeks recovery. I asked if I would be able to work from home part time before the 6-8 weeks and he said yes, I could probably do computer work from home. I have my work laptop set up so that I can access the company network from home and basically do anything from home that I can do at work. Since I am a support person for technical software it should work out OK. I hate to lose more time at work and I hate to spend another summer in recovery.....but I do want to feel whole again, and say goodbye to the prothesis.
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A Diep will NOT use any muscle at all and NO mesh would be required. Personally I would not accept anything less than the DIEP and I informed my surgeon of that prior to surgery. He was able to tell me that there was no way that he would do anything other than the Diep without my express permission and If he was not able to perform the Diep he wouldn't and I would just have a masectomy and we would regroup and make a new game plan after. I was adamant that losing any part of my abdominal muscle was unacceptable to me. I am an active 56 yr old who would rather be flat than not be able to do the activities that I do such as (ski, kayak, pilates, hike, etc.) If you are active you will regret having a Free Tram or Tram. If you are not physically active then it is probably not as critical. Please make sure you understand completely what you are having done and what the surgeon is capable of doing for you.
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Alex... It sounds like your surgeon knows how to do DIEP, but doesn't do very many... I would ask exactly how many DIEP flaps he does a year, and what percentage turn to TRAM...
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He told me he has done about a thousand of the procedures! And 900 were at the hospital I will be in. And I have talked to a patient of his. She said the recovery was not bad and that she is glad she did it. I think I will call his office tomorrow and see if there is a nurse or assistant that can talk to me about what he wrote in my file. I should have taken someone with me to the consult. I feel like he knows what he is doing, I just am not sure what he is doing....
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btw- On my docs website there is a place to send questions.
I sent the following:
I was in last week for a consultation and made an appointment for a breast reconstruction on June 8. Is this scheduled surgery the DIEP procedure? I feel confused right now as to whether I am to have the DIEP or a free Tram Flap. I thought it was a DIEP but I remember he said something about using mesh and a small part of the abdominal muscle. It sounds like the recovery is harder for the free Tram flap and I am getting cold feet. Thanks
My PS responded himself within the hour:
The decision to perform a muscle sparing free TRAM flap (which takes a very small piece of muscle), vs a DIEP or SIEA (both perforator flaps, which take no muscle) is made in the operating room, based on the size and quality of the vessels in the abdominal tissue. I always go into the operation with the plan to perform a perforator flap, if it is appropriate. That being said, I will not "push it" and perform a perforator flap if the vessels are very small, or of poor quality, as the liklihood for flap failure increases in that scenario. Even when a surgeon is very confident that a DIEP will be done, both he and the patient need to be willing to accept a free TRAM id it appeares intraoperatively to be the best choice.
Having done a large number of both free TRAMs as well as DIEP/SIEA flaps, I can tell you that the recovery from a free TRAM compared to a DIEP flap is almost identical. In the DIEP procedure, the muscle is split and the recovery is very much like a free TRAM. Recovery probably has more to do with the individual patient, than which of the procedures is done.
I will call you to discuss this over the phone with you tomorrow. Hopefully, I can answer your questions, and assure that you are comfortable with whatever your decison may be.I am encouraged!
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@alexanjb My PS pretty much told me the same info. Even though I have my heart set on having the vessels capable of allowing for a DIEP, if I have to have a free TRAM and that is determined in the OR, I am OK with that. There is no way that I would have my PS sew me up again if he decided I was not a candidate for a DIEP and have me wake up with NO breasts. I would be horrified to wake up with a bilat flat chest. I trust my PS and I trust my body. If I have to have a free TRAM, it will be my body's (ie. vessels) fault, not my PS - is what I am thinking. What I don't want is a surgeon who is determined to do a DIEP at all costs, and then have a flap fail due to poor vascular congestion. I can't change the size of my perforator vessels, I can hope that they will be more than adequate. I'm with ya, and 2 days before ya ;-).....5 weeks to go.
~Lori
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