Anyone diagnosed by mammo alone?

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mamatoboyz
mamatoboyz Member Posts: 18

I had my first mammogram March 3rd and they found califications. Had 2nd mammogram 4 days later - magnified and they determined that they were clustered pleomorphic calcifications    4mm in size indeterminate and decided on a biopsy. At that time asked if I had a history of BC in my family and said that it may be an early stage of BC. My biopsy was scheduled for a few weeks later - stereostatic. I went in to have it done, was all prepped and when the radiologist came in, he said that the calcs were too close to the surface and that he would have to refer me to a breast surgeon to have an excisional done. He said at that point that this would not affect my prognosis? I saw the BS on Thursday and he wrote the letters DCIS on a sheet of paper and then the word invasive and then crossed out the word invasive. He said that he doesn't think it is invasive and that it is DCIS. My excisional isn't until May 20th ...another month and then results a week after that!!!!!!!! By the time I get my results, it will have been about 12 weeks! Is that about right? I can't eat or sleep! I'm a mess! And I feel as though they already know what they are looking at from the mammogram alone! Anyone else had this? Thank you so much!

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  • HantaYo
    HantaYo Member Posts: 280
    edited April 2011

    Namaste!

    I had microcalcifications in 3 places and they (radiologist and Breast Surgeon) said the way they were clustered in each of the places made them suspicious for early BC and that they may possibly indicate DCIS, however it was always "we must get the pathology report from BX before we know for sure what they are".

    Karla

  • HantaYo
    HantaYo Member Posts: 280
    edited April 2011

    Namaste!

    I meant to add that after BX, they all showed as DCIS but on one of the areas they could not rule out invasion and I had to wait for my MX (6 weeks after DX) to find out if it was invasive or not.  It wasn't. 

    This time of waiting is so painful.  I am sorry you are having to go through this. 

    Karla

  • jadeblue
    jadeblue Member Posts: 102
    edited April 2011

    So sorry you have to go through this! Please don't be shy about being outspoken with your doctors in advocating for yourself as necessary. A couple of times during this process, I've complained that the proposed wait time for an appointment was unacceptable and it's been moved up! You have every right not to have to wait weeks and weeks for answers -- the psychological stress is intense and your medical team has got to be sensitive to that!

    From what I could tell, doctors were about 98% sure that my calcifications were DCIS (they were). They can't make a 100% diagnosis from mammograms alone because there's always the chance that what looks like one thing is actually something else.

    Do you know your Birads classification? That's a ranking system from 1-5 based on how likely they believe it is you have cancer (or DCIS) based on your mammo results. It sounds like yours is likely Birads-5 (they're almost positive it is), but even in those cases, they're only right 85 or 90% of the time and you could still easily be one of the ones for whom they've guessed wrong.

    If it were me, I'd call them and ask for your Birads score. If it's 5, use that as leverage to try to push up your appointment (just say it's horrible to ask you to wait that long, given your high likelihood of a serious issue). Threaten to go elsewhere, or DO actually go elsewhere (are there other reputable practices in your area you could call for a second opinion and perhaps a sooner appointment?)

    Don't be afraid to speak up for yourself during this stressful time. I totally get the need for answers, and I truly hope yours are good. Good luck! Keep us posted!!

    -Jade

  • CandDsMom
    CandDsMom Member Posts: 387
    edited April 2011

    @mamatoboyz: well that just sucks. I am sorry that you are getting the run around like that. Can you call your breast center or the head of administration and complain? If it is DCIS (and I am hoping it is benign!), since it is pre-invasive breast cancer you usually have some time to figure out what to do with it.  For actual invasive disease usually the docs want to get things moving by 12 weeks, or so I was told last year when I was going through this process. So that does seem on the longer end of things, and through no fault of yours given what happened with the radiologist.  

    From my experience, I had mammo mid feb, follow up diagnostic mammo early march, met with breast surgeon late march, 1 week later biopsy, 2 days later results, 2 weeks later BMX. So about 2 months total screening mammogram to definitive surgery.

    Anyway, I would definitely call the head of administration, or the equivalent to a patient care representative and tell them this is absolutely unacceptable for you to have to wait this long. Have you spoken with your BS about getting moved up?  (((hugs)))

  • poptart
    poptart Member Posts: 101
    edited April 2011

    When I had my first mastectomy I think it was pretty obvious to everyone that I had breast cancer ..... however, I had been having diagnostic mammograms for years, had had two previous biopsies of the area, had seen a breast surgeon, had ultrasounds, and so on.  What turned out to be extensive high grade dcis lit up the entire upper outer quadrant on the mammogram film.  I also had some invasive cancer, but not as bad as they thought.  I was allowed to speak with the radiologist at the time I had the mammo (he had also ordered an ultrasound of my underarm and breast) who essentially diagnosed me.  When I went in to speak with him, he had already called my gynecolgist and breast surgeon.  I had a mastectomy in under a week after seeing my breast surgeon ... just enough time to get my pre-surgical testing done (chest x-ray, blood work, ekg). 

    I saw the BS on Thursday and he wrote the letters DCIS on a sheet of paper and then the word invasive and then crossed out the word invasive.

    What kind of thing is this to do/imply/say to someone?  What a mind game!  I would push for an earlier surgery date, or, at the very least some more direct explanation of what he is thinking.  Ultimately, they have to biopsy the tissue in order to make the diagnosis.  If they really think you have dcis and possibly some type of invasive cancer, I don't think making you wait another month is very thoughtful, regardless of whether or not it will impact prognosis or treatment.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    the radiologist can make an educated guess, but they cannot tell for certain until the tissue is seen/examined by a pathologist. Praying you get good benign results soon.

    anne

  • CTMOM1234
    CTMOM1234 Member Posts: 633
    edited April 2011

    You need the biopsy for the diagnosis -- there's too much at risk to make a decision any other way. The waiting period is so stressful, I would strongly push to get your biopsy date moved up or change doctors to a more responsive one. 

    They found calcs on your first ever mammo, which is similar to me as mine were seen on my second ever. I was given a Birad 4 rating and sent for a stereo. biopsy a week or so later, and the biopsy confirmed DCIS. Met with a breast surgeon who sent me for genetic testing and an mri to better understand if I should have a mastectomy or lumpectomy (ovary and other breast removal were also under consideration in the event that I was BRCA1 or 2 positive, which thankfully I am not). Only after all of that could the best educated decision for me be made.

    You are really in such a stressful period in the process right now, but now is when you must be an advocate for yourself. Sending you good wishes.

  • geebung
    geebung Member Posts: 1,851
    edited April 2011

    In 2007 I had my yearly mammogram and U/S at the breast centre. I was told then and there that I had DCIS and an appointment was made for me to see the breast surgeon 10 days later. No biopsy was done.

    When I saw the surgeon, he also said I had DCIS and a date was set for a lumpectomy about 3 weeks later. Pathology on the lumpectomy showed extensive, high grade DCIS and unclear margins. The next surgery was mastectomy with snb. Must have been a very obvious case for them to be so sure by just looking at the mammogram.

  • Emaline
    Emaline Member Posts: 492
    edited April 2011

    I'm sorry you are going through this Frown  You are at the hardest part right now, waiting.  That really is the hardest time, not knowing what you are dealing with and the information is so overwhelming.

    I had a diagnostic mammogram, ultrasound, biopsy and breast MRI.  They told me after the biopsy that it was DCIS but they have not ruled out microinvasion in my case.  I'm trying not to freak about that point.  Did they tell you where your mammogram fell in scoring?  I don't know what they call it...I know mine was a 4, they were highly suspicious of one area being cancer (it was) and then a 2 or 3 in another area, which they biopsyed as well (A-typical cells).  Everyone always made sure to stress that while they are suspicious, 80% of the time it can be nothing.

    So while your doctor may be suspicious that it is DCIS, he can't make that call until a biopsy is done.

  • mamatoboyz
    mamatoboyz Member Posts: 18
    edited April 2011

    Thank you for all your responses. I am a bit confused because my birads score was only a 3 but also on that report it said suspicious and they wanted to biopsy. Why would they not want to do a MRI before the excisional biopsy? Thank you again.y

  • redsox
    redsox Member Posts: 523
    edited April 2011

    They cannot make a diagnosis from an MRI.  Whatever the MRI showed you would still need a biopsy. If the biopsy does not show cancer you will not need the MRI. 

  • CandDsMom
    CandDsMom Member Posts: 387
    edited April 2011

    Re: timing of MRI, I think sometimes it is hard to get the MRI paid for - I had one, but only after my DCIS was diagnosed. I think I have read on the threads that if your GAIL (or other cancer risk score) is higher than 25% than you have a pretty good shot of MRI being paid for by insurance. As far as I know though, it still takes the BS  (or radiologist) actually getting a sample of tissue to send to path to actually dx someone.

    (((hugs))) 

  • CTMOM1234
    CTMOM1234 Member Posts: 633
    edited April 2011

    The purpose of the mri is not to avoid the biopsy. It is to provide an additional piece of the puzzle if you are considering a lumpectomy or mastectomy. But first you need to know if you actually have bc, which is the purpose of the biopsy.

  • mamatoboyz
    mamatoboyz Member Posts: 18
    edited April 2011

    Thank you again! That makes me feel better that a step is not being missed in the process. I read different things about ultrasounds and MRI's and of course don't know at what stage they do what. I do know that at one point the radiologist said something about DCIS while he was reading my films (I had to come home and look it up) and now the BS has repeated it and written it across that sheet of paper! I guess, for now all I can really do is sit and wait for my biopsy and "try" not to worry. I'm at this point in the whole process that I'd really just like some answers...either way! Thank you for all your support. I will keep you posted. HUGS!!!!!!!!!!!!

  • agada
    agada Member Posts: 452
    edited April 2011

    I had an MRI to confirm the fact that I had microcalcifications on a mammogram.  The Dr. who read the MRI suspected malignancy a year before my next mammogram and put it in his report.  the next mammogram had multifoci microcalcifications.  I think they knew I had breast cancer then.  Then comes the biopsy.  MRI's are screening tools so I have been told, along with the mammogram. Its hard to wait for results, but I was lucky and the Dr. called me in to her office within two days of finding out I had cancer.  If you are not gettin anywhere getting your results COMPLAIN!!  And COMPLAIN about long waits for testing.  This is your body! 

    Agada

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