'Breasts' or 'Boobies'? Does language matter?

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  • motherofpatient
    motherofpatient Member Posts: 240
    edited February 2011

    Language matters. That's why the advertising industry makes millions using "just the right words" and pictures to get the biggest bang for their bucks. This is a discussion I could never get across to one highly educated woman so I guess some people will never get it no matter what we say. But words to matter and do have connotations. The words I consider lower level slang seem to be part of degrading women and remind me of the "babe, sweetie, honey, dear language used in professional office in the 60's, 70's and 80's as a subtle way to keep us "in our place" during the so called feminist revolution.

    Glad I had great feminist psychology professors who educated us on the use of language to manipulate social roles in the male dominate world. This was a time when I could not get a part-time job bagging groceries at the Winn Dixie and was openly told "we just don't hire women to do that."

    I thought we had gotten past this, but the younger generation seems to have no clue why language counts and accept , if not promote, having body parts referred to a "bootie"-  a big rear end. Now what is that all about? And "knocker" - maybe it's the Hooter's influence that uses slang terms for our bodies that  started this only. I must say I was shocked to learn that an entire resteruant chain has this big neon signs "HOOTER"S" and no one seems to care. Until the ealry 90's I had no idea what Hooter meant.

    Maybe we have failed to educate the younger generation on the reasons that the objectification of women's body parts makes us less than human, intelligent equals. Just a piece of meat with some body parts that give men pleasures. We have only to look at Sports Illustrated and other men' s mags to see what body part get top billing. "Butts and Boobs'; tits and ass (T and A as they call it).

    Anyone who says words don't matter should consider the billons spent on advertising - words to change opinons, influence behavior, manipulate opinions - and it must work or they won't keep dumping money into it.

  • elmcity69
    elmcity69 Member Posts: 998
    edited February 2011

    I'm offended by the cutesy or low class slang widely publicized (I "heart" boobies, save the ta-tas, etc) not because I am prudish or ashamed of my (now reconstructed) breasts. It offends me because it trivalizes CANCER. Because that is what we have had. A disease that kills thousands, maims thousands more, and is firmly entrenched on our landscape likely for decades more.

    after 4 surgeries (a 5th in 4 weeks' time), six months' chemo, six weeks' radiation, and the trauma to my loved ones, you bet "cutesy" and "sassy" terms piss me off. Let the folks running those campaigns see what cancer really is - like sitting with an IV in your arm, waiting for your breast/boob/ta ta to get cut off - a mere 2 hours after sending your young children off to school.

    I believe that WE are the only ones with the right to joke about the terms. WE are the ones traveled to Hell and back.....and with question marks on our futures.

    Janyce

    ps: AnnNYC: right on! I won't address that argument, because you've debated it beautifully.

  • amontro
    amontro Member Posts: 504
    edited March 2011

    elmcity69 - You've really nailed it. I'm not a prude, but something as serious as cancer doesn't need to have a nickname. 

    Do you think references to "boobs" or "tatas" will get more donations than photos of mastectomy (nothing graphic) and/or its anticipation, chemo treatment via a port or vein, general unwellness, children to be cared for?  

    Today there is an obsession to the point where women/girls must have their breasts enhanced to be attractive to men. It's like what we learned in economics class about supply and demand.  Men demand big boobs and women supply them

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited March 2011

    It boils down to a respect thing. I'd run if the doctor came into the room to tell me I had titty cancer. A professional thing too, I guess. When I told my kids (in their late 20's) I didn't say Mommy has a boo boo on her titties. I guess it boils down to the maturity level of who is using the slang.

  • kayakgirl
    kayakgirl Member Posts: 172
    edited March 2011

    I dislike the term boobies and the term "my girls" just me I guess

  • greenfrog
    greenfrog Member Posts: 269
    edited March 2011

    I have always disliked twee euphemisms in relation to breasts - even before I was diagnosed with BC.

    The only one I use is "tits" but I expect that is a British thing. Cutesy wutesy names make me puke. Especially when used in relation to screening and raising cancer awareness. We live in a bizarre western society which has sexualised the breast to the point of cartoonery.

  • bebe51
    bebe51 Member Posts: 29
    edited March 2011

    It doesn't offend me at all.  My son wears the I (heart boobies).  It started last year when a student lost his mother to breast cancer.  It was their way of showing support.  Half the school was wearing them.  The I heart boobies is Keep a breast foundation.  If you look in the heart part you would see that.  If it brings awareness to the younger generation then I'm all for it.  When you think about it wouldn't it be wonderful if we could Keep a Breast or Save the TaTa's.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited March 2011

    I'm pretty sure high school boys are "aware" of breasts!! This awareness thing is a crock. I knew I had breasts as I grew up....who of us didn't???

  • nora_az
    nora_az Member Posts: 720
    edited March 2011

    Count me in as "annoyed" and "irritated" at the cutesy terms for a serious disease yet I am no prude.

  • Momcat1962
    Momcat1962 Member Posts: 665
    edited March 2011

    Norks?????? So totally using this term from now on...Laughing How funny. I say breast so as not to offend anyone. I do use the term BOOBS  but to my daughters it is usually "breasts".UNLESS my 16 yr old is wearing something too suggestive, and that's when I tell her to cover her "Dirty pillows"...The movie CARRIE. Wink

    Concerning the cute lil slogans...Undecided...The kids in the schools wear the I Heart Boobies bracelets and they do it because they are wearing the word...instead of the fact that  BC is important to talk about. I don't care for them. (On kids)

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2011

    It sounds like most posters here are fed up with the whole cute slang words for breasts, also the cutesy phrases such as I (heart) boobies, save the ta'ta's and so on.  I totally agree.  It does trivialize this life-threatening disease and if we could just focus on finding cures for cancers, instead of trying to sell rubber bracelets and stupid t-shirts, we may be closer to the goal. 

    Momcat 1962:  I love the movie "Carrie" but I thought the evil mom called them "dirty fellows". 

    There was a fundraiser in my town last year that was selling t-shirts with the slogan "Save Second Base"  --not only offensive but shameful. 

  • iodine
    iodine Member Posts: 4,289
    edited March 2011

    Just another 2 cents, and we all know what an opinion is worth.  LOL

    I'm a lot further out from diagnosis than most of you and a mom of adult children.  I have no problem with abbreviations, cute names, ta tas, boobs, second base (That is so original!).  In advertising, IMO, what ever catches the eye or ear, is what is used to make the product known.  I did teach my kids the proper name for All body parts, and I knew them well.  What we teach our kids is what matters. 

    So, I have absolutely no problem with either proper names or cute names.  Raise the money, find a cure and please, everyone teach their kids the proper name of everything.

  • sas-schatzi
    sas-schatzi Member Posts: 19,603
    edited March 2011

    AnnNYC------from you post of Feb18th--you definitely aren't a whiner. You  nailed it. Some words ARE appropriate for pillow talk. AND some for professional talk. Breast are appropriate for professional refrerence. Other words like "Save the Tatas" Are for us to choose in the appropriate setting. I personally had a "Return of the Tatas party". But it was for close family and friends, where I chose to bring levity to the situation. Would I where a sweetshirt in public with that---no way.But my mind has been known to change.

    Only a man would come up with the family jewels commercial for the public----that should have been done professionally by calling them testicles. But what % of guys ever grow up?

  • dciotti
    dciotti Member Posts: 2
    edited April 2011

    Wow, loved reading these posts...I guess I don't mind the nicknames in a relaxed private setting. But i cant imagine a co-worker asking me how my boobs or fun bags are doing?..yikes! I wonder if all those kids wearing the ta-ta and boobies bracelets are doing it for the right reason or just to be "cool" because they can get away with it now. I don't consider myself old or a prude but I would certainly make sure that my children understood what these terms are really suppose to support and can explain why they are wearing it before they leave the house. If they want to really support a friend or family member then how can blast it but they need to understand its not a fashion accessory. As far as the advertising goes, i would not like a poster with boobs or ta-ta in my doctor office...no place for cuteness when you have been hacked open like a fish...just saying

  • Emaline
    Emaline Member Posts: 492
    edited April 2011

    I agree with context.  Do I want my doctor asking about my funbags? Heck no.  I expect him to be professional.  When we talked with the kids, it was a serious matter and explained it to them as such.  I have been known to call left breast "my wonky boob". It is mine, so I can call it what I want. 

    Things like "Save the tata's" do not offend me because I still know so many women who are not doing their exams and who are not getting their mammograms and I want the message out there.  If it makes someone stop and think and do their exams, then I think it is great. While for some women tatas are offensive, there are a lot of younger ladies who think of their grandmas when they hear the word breast and do not take it seriously. So I believe they are trying to hit all the segments of the population.

    Unfortunately they are never going to make everyone happy.  Someone will always be offended or upset by something.  Universal approval is just never going to happen.

  • duckyb1
    duckyb1 Member Posts: 13,369
    edited April 2011

    Honestly, call the whatever you want.................Know what offends me...........THE FACT THAT NO ONE HAS FOUND EITHER A VACCINE OR A CURE............FIND A VACCINE, AND YOU FIND THE CURE..............Who gives a shit what they are called..............All the money that is spent, all the money that has been given toward Breast Cancer, and they can't find a cure..........what the hell are they spending this money on..........They friggin, walk, they run, they make posters, they do commercials.........Don't sing Happy Birthday to me on TV, spend the money you used on that friggin commercial to find a cure..........A CURE, not a fix a cure.

  • NHsmiles
    NHsmiles Member Posts: 138
    edited April 2011

    I absolutely despise "tits, titties, Save the ta tas, fun bags."  Norks? I never heard of that...lol.  Let me tell you, if I was being intimate with a man and he called my breasts "fun bags" I would get up an walk out of the room.

    I use boobs most of the time.  I will never call my  reconstructed breasts "foobs" as I feel yes I lost the breasts god gave me, but my reconstructed ones are now my breasts.  Out of all the discomfort of reconstruction and cancer treatments and complications, my gift from all of this is not having to wear a bra and having smaller perkier boobs. I will love my new "girls" as much as I did my god given ones.

    HeatherSmile 

  • Padiddle
    Padiddle Member Posts: 853
    edited April 2011

    I prefer breasts.  Slang terms seem childish to me, but that's just my thoughts.  Jean

  • elmcity69
    elmcity69 Member Posts: 998
    edited April 2011

    just thinking..when they have a prostate cancer "awareness" drive (another word that bugs me: awareness) that features shirts saying "just save your Dick" and "i heart Johnsons!" then i'll be cool with the rude slang.

    this is one thing i'm blunt about with folks "outside" our club. i find that most folks are clueless about how offensive the campaigns are.

  • mymountain
    mymountain Member Posts: 184
    edited May 2011

    elmcity,

    thanks for a laugh this morning.

    fyi, the prostate is located in the abdomen, not the johnson..um.. I mean penis. 

    but "feel you balls Friday" promoting testiculat cancer detection might start a riot.

    I have one breast and one foob.  It's not that I'm offended by any of the slang terms used to describe breasts, I just think advertisers sue these  terms to sell products

    IMHO

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited May 2011

    We KNOW they use those terms to sell the products. We're saying we are offended by them.

  • cary1
    cary1 Member Posts: 372
    edited May 2011

    Never saw this thread before. I just use "breasts," as I did before the cancer came calling. I also agree with the person that the use of cutesy names in the campaigns, save the tatas etc., trivializes cancer. The whole pink thing.....well don't get me started. I'll save it for October.

  • mymountain
    mymountain Member Posts: 184
    edited May 2011

    We?

    I'm "we" too.

  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited May 2011

    Is there a "Save the Yambags!" poster or t-shirt for testicular cancer?   Or "I *heart* Shwing-Shwongs" products for penis cancer?  Maybe there should be!

    Having said that, I don't mind the ta-tas or boobies terms or products as long as some of the profits fund research into prevention or a cure.  I think the cutesie names just make it more comfortable for some people, that's all.

    E

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited May 2011

    Well then mymountain, now you too know that they just use the cute names for advertising! This is a thread to rant, not to excuse them. Let it out sister!

  • mymountain
    mymountain Member Posts: 184
    edited May 2011

    "How do you feel about campangains and commentators that use 'cute' euphemisms that promote to promote awareness of breast cancer?"

      This is how I feel...I don't have a problem with any of the slangs, if a portion of the profit is going to research, treat, cure and/or prevent bc. 

     Now what portion of the profit from these items is supporting the cause?  That's what we should be worked up about.

    There..I let it out   

  • badboobee
    badboobee Member Posts: 54
    edited May 2011
    Obviously by my username I don't care what they are called. I want people to be aware of breast cancer. I want them to know that whatever they grew up with, whatever their friends called them, or their parents, grand parents, aunts, uncles, etc., that breast cancer is real, that boobies get cancer, that ta tas get cancer.

    I realize that many people think giving breast cancer cute names draws away from the seriousness of this disease but I feel that if people are talking about it then that is the goal. If young girls are aware that it is ok to do a self exam on their "ta-ta's" and be able to discuss fears, concerns, and ask questions then I am ok with that. People shouldn't be afraid to discuss this disease and shouldn't be penalized for using terms that people can identify with. I would rather have a teachable moment in which a person can use a word they are comfortable with to educate themselves about breast cancer. When I see a pink ribbon I am reminded that this is a battle and a cure needs to be found for breast cancer.



  • hopefulhealing
    hopefulhealing Member Posts: 722
    edited May 2011

    I hate it. I find it disgusting. I don't know why we think we have to go along with this sexist and diminshing stuff. You can be just as aware of breast cancer and the need to do self breast exams, get mamograms, etc without falling into this stuff.  The whole pink awareness has not done what it was intended to do.  It has become a marketing tool.  40 to 50% of women who have insurance are still not getting their annual mamogram. 

    Instead of making it "cute" talk about what it is a disease of the breast that needs more research etc. How much do you really think these companies are sending for research. Yes every bit helps but come on.

    I know these are strong words but I cringe and hate it HATE IT everytime I see the cutesy slang. It minimizes what I and every other woman has had to go through with this hideous disease.

    But with that being said I realize we all have our opinions and a right to them.

  • jyg
    jyg Member Posts: 198
    edited May 2011

    Professional campaigns regarding breast cancer should use the term "breast(s)". We can call them whatever we want. We can wear bracelets and pins with whatever labels we want - no one else gets to call them anything else.

    /signed physician educator

  • robynkk
    robynkk Member Posts: 138
    edited May 2011

    As a teacher in a public school system I teach seniors and believe me 17-18 year old boys that wear these bracelets are not thinking about the disease, they are trying to be cool and it's very disruptive to the classroom environment.  Our school policy is they are not allowed to wear them. 

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