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  • LuvRVing
    LuvRVing Member Posts: 4,516
    edited April 2011

    I think we can all drive ourselves nuts trying to figure out how we got breast cancer.  Why were we the unlucky ones?  I had my first baby at 18, I breastfed four children, I barely used birth control pills and I did hormone therapy for only about a year.  I've been doing low carb, so basically no sugar or refined carbs, for ten years.  Yet here I am. 

    I'm not going to look for a cause, nor am I going to go crazy trying to avoid what "might" be the cause. It could be in the air we breathe or the water we drink; it could be the fertilizers or weed killers that we use to have a "green" lawn; it could be the insecticides we use; it could be damn near anything.   Short of living in a bubble, I think it's out of my control.  I live in a modernized society and we have higher BC rates. 

    I'm going to live my life, do my best, and hope that a miraculous breakthrough identifies the real causes.

    Michelle

  • Lilah
    Lilah Member Posts: 4,898
    edited April 2011

    Michelle -- I agree with that perspective.  All things in moderation, as Julia Child said.

    As a diebetic (as much as a cancer survivor) I do want to lose weight and cut sugar, though, which seems worthwhile and healthful (for ME).  There are too many women out there who have BC after years of healthy eating/living for me to be convinced that healthy eating/living alone can prevent a reoccurence or a new cancer. 

  • molly52
    molly52 Member Posts: 389
    edited April 2011

    There are some who contend the coil springs in our mattresses coupled with the heigth from the floor that is causing cancers such as breast cancer.  Apparently the mattress attracts harmful frequencies to our body.

    They argue that Japanese sleep on a futon on the floor, thus avoiding attracting these frequencies.  

    Who knows really?

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited April 2011
    Holy crap Molly, I thought you were kidding!!! Surprised
  • AmyIsStrong
    AmyIsStrong Member Posts: 1,755
    edited April 2011

    I wonder if those who sleep on a Sleep Number bed (no coils ) or a Tempurpedic have lower bc rates.

    Laughing

  • sagina
    sagina Member Posts: 1,219
    edited April 2011

    I guess my motivating factor for giving up sugar is my triple negative.  Not being able to take any kind of medication after all  my treatments, weighed heavily on me, so I want to do what I can to help myself.  Since the purpose of insulin is cell proliferation, and of course cancer cells don't know they are bad cells, the insulin feeds them.  If I get cancer again, I don't want to be fueling the fire with unnessary sugars.  Eating meals where one third of my plate is vegetables, the rest of the plate incorporates whole grains, fruits, and a good fat like avocado or olive oil is working for me.  I stopped missing the sugars, the animal products etc. I eat a lot of beans for protein, or nuts, and drink an unsweet almond milk with Vitamin D and B12.  I've have in turn rid myself of stomach aches, reflux, heartburn, etc.  I didn't expect to not need caffeine in the mornings but that was a plus as well. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited August 2012

    Tonlee - "bee throw up" -I love it!  Thank your son for me - realy love that description of honey.  Also love honey ;)

    I found Stevia has a horrid "after taste" -  and whoever used the word "moderation" works for me too. A little bit of Agave, and a little bit of honey.

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited April 2011

    ToniLee, two great books that explain the role of sugar are "Anti Cancer: A New Way of Life" and "Foods That Fight Cancer".  They made a lot of sense to me.

  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 2,167
    edited July 2012

    I was a sugarholic. When I realized what it was doing to me, I quit cold turkey. I could not believe the difference this has made in how I feel; no more midday naps sitting up, long, uninterrupted sleep at night, and going from a tight size 12 to a loose size 6. I even bought a dress lately that is a size 4, but I am having trouble feeling that I can wear something so form fitting, because I still have a bit of a big girl mentality.

    I did not diet because that made me too food conscious. I simply decided I needed to think of food as medicine and not as a pancea. And sugar was my comfort.

    I found that it took about 6 weeks of the cold turkey habit before I stopped missing anything. Now I can take a little bite of something on occasion and be satisfied. I have not gone off the wagon or gained the weight back in over 3 years.

    One of the secrets is to detox. All the toxins we accumulate over the years, tend to store in fatty tissues. Even people who look thin, can have fatty tissues around organs that hold toxins. I detoxed with a combo of specific supplements, diet, exercise and sweating in a far infrared sauna.

    I am constantly reading books that keep me motivated. As others mentioned, Anti Cancer is a must read. I found Healthy For Life by Dr. Ray Strand to be a great blueprint too. He does a wonderful job of explaining the glycemic index and why it is impossible to lose weight unless one finds metabolic balance.

    I still have chocolate daily. I am not a martyr. But I make sure it is dark and with as little sugar as possible. I also love the chocolate whey protein shakes from Usana. They are low glycemic and very filling and full of healthy stuff. No fillers, no GMO, etc and they are the only shakes that do not make me gag.

    One last thing, was that I got my thyroid functioning again by using iodine and the protocol that Dr. Brownstein lays out in his book "Iodine, why you need it and why you can't live without it". When I started on the iodine, at first I gained a couple of pounds, but then I started to detox and afterwards, I felt energy for the first time in decades. You can learn more about iodine on the thread we have here, or you can look at the info at breastcancerchoices.org  An underactive thyroid is epidemic with those of us who have had bc and I am hearing more and more doctors say that this is more of a precursor to bc than hormones. It makes sense, since the thyroid is the regulator for the whole endocrine system.

    Stopping carbo cravings (which is another name for sugar addiction) takes more than just willpower. There is a physiological reason we want the stuff. Detoxing really helps to overcome it.

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited April 2011

    I always considered my chemo to be the beginning of my detox.  Never thought of it as poison or the enemy.

  • LuvRVing
    LuvRVing Member Posts: 4,516
    edited April 2011

    We all have to do what gives us the most peace of mind.  We're all wired differently.

    Lilah - I assume you went through chemo as a diabetic.  Could you either pm me with your chemo regime and how it went for you, or post on a thread I started...

    http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/69/topic/767342?page=1#idx_14

    I am interested in what precautions your onco and primary doctor took to keep glucose levels in check and minimize neuropathy, heart damage, etc.

    Thanks so much!

    Michelle

  • supersally
    supersally Member Posts: 351
    edited April 2011

    I am laughing hysterically at the Japanese futon/mattress thing.

    I'm reducing sugar, it's hard though.  A daily struggle, not so much in that I add sugar, just in the stuff that's already made. 

    I agree with what Michelle said, all things in moderation.  Thanks for all the info, I'll keep reading!

  • LadyinBama
    LadyinBama Member Posts: 1,132
    edited April 2011

    LOL, me too on the mattresses. I hadn't heard that one. I had a SelectComfort, so no springs, so that blows that theory ... my ex-sil sent me a Facebook message the other day that said the guy at her health food store said for me to eat apricot seeds because they act just like chemo in the body. Really???? People mean well, I guess.

  • molly52
    molly52 Member Posts: 389
    edited April 2011

    Oh - is it apricot seeds now.  When I was diagnosed, I was told to eat apple seeds!!!!

    I'll try to find the link to the mattress link website.

    I pretty much did everything right - starting from having the right family - slim, exercised, etc - yet I still got cancer. 

    Reducing sugar in my diet is for me.  I have never tolerated sugar very well.  The cancer, well it can go to hell.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited April 2011

    I would think a number bed with the electrical connection it needs would draw the "bad" energy too!

    Apricot seeds is the old Laetrile concept. Old news.

  • Lilah
    Lilah Member Posts: 4,898
    edited April 2011

    I sleep on a sleep number bed (and have for 6 years) so I don't think it's a solution.  But then again, I also don't think mattresses cause cancer :)

    Michelle -- I will check out your thread!

  • sdstarfish
    sdstarfish Member Posts: 544
    edited April 2011

    @xmasDx - sure, I'll get back to you soon about agave and stevia. It's all in the kind you buy. Homework for a day or two (writing doctorate - ugh!), then a longer reply :)

    Lisa

    www.pinkkitchen.info

  • XmasDx
    XmasDx Member Posts: 225
    edited April 2011

    Aaah, Dr. Mercola... we can always count on him for an alternative point of view! 

    On the last page, as far as honey being vegan yes that's correct... it is considered by many vegans to be an animal product.  Vegans do not eat any animal products including eggs, dairy, and obviously meat or fish but they usually follow this diet for environmental, personal, ethical &/or spiritual reasons in addition to compassion for animals and health reasons.  Because of this, many feel that honey (being an animal product) is not something they want to eat.  Some vegans do eat honey though.  Also, vegans do not wear or purchase leather products, fur (duh!), or products tested on animals. 

    Although my family is vegetarian but not vegan, it usually surprises people when they find out that as vegetarians we do not eat gelatin for the same reasons, it is an animal product (derived from the collagen inside animals skin & bones).  That means no Jello, no marshmallows, no gummy bears, Peeps, etc...it's even in tons of yogurts now!

    There is a long list of ingredients that very strict vegans avoid, including SUGAR!  Why you ask?  Well, cane sugar is sometimes filtered through activated charcoal during the final purification process, and this charcoal can come from animals, vegetables, or minerals.  The fact that bone char from animals is used to process the cane sugar makes it not strictly vegan!  Beet sugar is not ever processed this way (I read).  

    @ sdstarfish - great, thanks!!

  • XmasDx
    XmasDx Member Posts: 225
    edited April 2011

    CONFESSION - my dd11 (12 tomorrow!) is baking brownies right now.  I begged her not to, but it's her birthday tomorrow LOL.  They are not even in the oven and I am admitting right now that one small one has my name on it.  Just one.  Small one. 

  • molly52
    molly52 Member Posts: 389
    edited April 2011

    What is a sleep number bed????  I have never heard of them.

  • Lilah
    Lilah Member Posts: 4,898
    edited April 2011

    google it Molly -- it has dials that allow you to make it softer or firmer -- so if your DH likes soft and you like firm... each side is separately adjustable.

  • sagina
    sagina Member Posts: 1,219
    edited April 2011

    xmasdx~shamefully, I am eating vegan to save myself, not the animals.....I haven't thought about not purchasing leather etc.  I've got to get the hang of the diet....

  • elmcity69
    elmcity69 Member Posts: 998
    edited April 2011

    i'm still reflecting on the mattress idea!! just bought a gorgeous, firm, HIGH, mattress two years ago...ahh you sink into it. maybe back to the futon hubby had in graduate school, hmmm.

    like so many of us, i don't add sugar to anything and avoid aspartame, etc etc, but find it hard to give up chocolate. period.not a big ice cream fan, or even cake, but chocolate candy- oh.my.

     i had two dark chocolate hershey kisses yesterday. they tasted unbelieveable - i was amazed at the change in my taste buds already.

    .i took my daughter shopping at Target and as I stood in the Easter section i remembered barbe's comment about practically smelling all of the sugar...truer words never spoken!

    something that is helping me at nighttime - sugar craving time, that is-- is defrosting wild blueberries with --i know this sounds crazy-- my green tea. make the tea, dash a few tablespoons into the defrosting blueberries - yum. kills two birds with one stone.

    vivre, thanks for the tip on the Usana shakes. going to take a trip to the local healthfood store for them today!

    hope you all have a great day

    xo

    janyce

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited April 2011

    Just as an FYI there are many women on this Forum who were vegans that have breast cancer!! Don't think of it as a cure, but as a lifestyle change.

  • geewhiz
    geewhiz Member Posts: 1,439
    edited April 2011

    Well said...it's a very personal lifestyle choice...that I am not very good at all the time! I just turned on the tv to Dr Oz doing a very cool segment on the very harmful effects sugar has on our bodies...including increased inflammation, which of course has been linked to cancer. This is one of the reasons trials are looking good for metformin, a popular diabetic drug that controls sugar spikes.

  • duckyb1
    duckyb1 Member Posts: 13,369
    edited April 2011

    amyisstrong........I can answer that for you, no it doesn't make a damn bit of difference...........I have a Sleep Number bed since 2002,and it has a Temperpidic 4 inch foam piece on top, and guess who got breast cancer in Feb. 2011................BINGO............ME..........It's fate, so why give up everything you enjoy...........Screw it all, damn it, if I'm gonna friggin die, I'm gonna make sure I go out "happy, and well fed"...........hugs.

  • duckyb1
    duckyb1 Member Posts: 13,369
    edited April 2011

    Also the electricity has nothing to do with anything..............you adjust the mattress 1 time for how it feels to you...........Unless you decide at a later time to make an adjustment you don't have to redo it again,,,,,,,,,,,plus there is no electricity going through anything all the time..........and the chamber is filled with air, and that 's it.

  • molly52
    molly52 Member Posts: 389
    edited April 2011

    There was a very famous yoga teacher here in Toronto area.  People came from around the continent to attend her yoga teacher training.  I didn't know her personally, but I suspect she lived her life in the very best way.  Yet cancer got her.

    When I think about giving something up to help prevent another episode, I remember her and realize there are no guarantees with this disease.

    Personally, I blame the environment/pollution.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited April 2011
    But ducky, it has an electrical cord attached to it!! Surprised

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