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  • DeeBee
    DeeBee Member Posts: 20
    edited April 2011

    Where does Stevia fit in as a sweetener?  I find this all so confusing - agave nectar is good then bad, etc. 

  • AmyIsStrong
    AmyIsStrong Member Posts: 1,755
    edited April 2011

    There are a lot of confusing elements, but - I think it is a good, solid goal to reduce/eliminate the things that are OBVIOUSLY and indisputably sweet and bad for you. If we get rid of all that stuff (or keep to an absolute minimum), then if a little sugar slips in through a salad dressing or something, it still will be FAR LESS than we ingested before, and with much less damaging results. For me, perfection isn't the goal, it is making good choices and staying off the sugar-binge express!

    I used to bake a sweet potato and sprinkle with cinnamon during chemo - tasted wonderful to me. Haven't had one since, but it sounds delicious again. I will buy some on my next shopping trip.

     In the evenings, if/when I get tempted, i think about you all doing this with me and it makes it so much easier.

  • sagina
    sagina Member Posts: 1,219
    edited April 2011

    The book "The Skinny B**tch" has very colorful language but she'll tell you what she thinks about sugar, smoking, not exercising etc.  it's an easy read if you can laugh with the language.  It's a motivator for sure.

  • duckyb1
    duckyb1 Member Posts: 13,369
    edited April 2011

    Hi Ladies.............I don't find giving up sugar that difficult if your talking about the sugar we add to things............what about all the stuff out there that has "added sugar"........It is ridiculous.......read your ingredients on the cans, boxes, packaging of almost anything.........You think your getting away with just giving up added sugar (which is great too), but what they sneak in in many forms, with many names is mind boggling............You eat cake, of course you can see the sugar, pies, cookies, ice cream, they are the obvious without reading the package.............I'm talking about the "hidden sugar".  That is who has to be stopped, the people doing that................Now my weakness

    Salty....................I could lose 15 lbs if I just stopped salt..............but again, read the ingredients....................(hidden salt)............I can put down the salt shaker, or add less to whatever I'm cooking, but again read your labels...................Industry is killing us with the "hidden salt"..................

    We all know if it tastes good, it has to have too much.......sugar............salt...........or fat, so lets just do the best we can, and :I guess do everything in moderation............what else can we do...............sometimes we're fighting a losing battle.

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited April 2011

    My dh and I have given up salt (none in the house) and have almost completely cut out sugar.  It really is true that if you take it one step at a time you will no longer crave these things.

    You really do need to read the ingredients of everything you buy.  We recently found that some cream has HFCS in it!!  They hide that stuff everywhere! 

    When we go out to eat, we look up the nutritional chart for the restaurant online before we go.  Then you can make your choices before you even get there and have less temptation with the entire menu in front of you at the table.

  • sagina
    sagina Member Posts: 1,219
    edited April 2011

    duckyb1~I have given up anything with sugar in it, cane syrup, honey, fructose, sucrose, the lot!  and I gave up preservatives, chemicals in the food.....my shopping cart is rather empty all the time and I spend twice as long in the grocery store reading labels and putting things back on the shelf....My child is in college though, I can't imagine eating this way with a family to feed.

    Deebee~ the dietitian I met with with countless degrees and a phd said agave was the best sub to use if you need one, she also mentioned Stevia.  She told me a whole of other things to like aluminum in deodorant, in our pots and pans, etc. Her list was endless on how to eat/live better.

  • Lilah
    Lilah Member Posts: 4,898
    edited April 2011

    If you give up salt entirely, don't you fail to get the iodine your body needs?  Or do you take supplements?

    The fajitas are just grilled chicken with veggies ... you can keep the calories down by not having the tortillas (or having only one, which is what I did) and using cheese and sourcream very sparingly.

  • Basia
    Basia Member Posts: 790
    edited April 2011

    I think the jury is still out on agave. When I first learned about it a few years ago all the holistic sites were raving about it, now they are all taking a step back. As I read more about it I am finding more information saying it isn't as good as once thought.

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited April 2011

    I will be staying away from agave.  I don't really need it anyway.  But don't forget how wonderful aspartame was when it first came out.

    Lilah, I have learned that "chicken" in restaurants is not necessarily 'just chicken'.  Some of it is compressed pieces made from chicken and fillers.  Most of it has had preservatives added as well.  And the salt content of the chicken and the veggies is often ridiculous.  That is why I always check the nutritional charts first.   

    Now, I am not saying that I would never, ever splurge.  But I don't do it very often and I try to be aware of what I am splurging on.   

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited April 2011

    Hats off to the family on the last page that is cutting out sugar to support their 10 year old daughter!! What a great habit to start all of you on the track to better eating!!

    Because we don't have salt in the house we use a good pepper. I do feel that I'm deficient in iodine and recently went looking for a supplement, but because of Japan's crisis, there is a shortage of iodine worldwide as those are risk are loading up.

  • Fearless_One
    Fearless_One Member Posts: 3,300
    edited April 2011

    Yeah, restaurants are the kiss of Death for fat and sugar.   All you can do is make common sense choices - stick with the blander dishes that don't have the heavy, creamy sauces, avoid the fried stuff, the cheesy stuff and desserts.

    What was in that 1400 calorie salad?   I'm guessing it was mayo based or something?

  • mdg
    mdg Member Posts: 3,571
    edited April 2011

    Ducky:  I agree about the hidden added sugars.  I know eating a cookie has sugar and I am ok going days without a cookie.  It's realizing that sugar is added to crackers, bread, pancakes, etc...normal things that you eat that's hard.  If you are suppose to stay below 40 gms per day of sugar for sure and you eat a bowl of healthy, organic cereal that still has 10 grams of sugar, you are already 1/4th of the way there at a bowl of cereal!  I have resorted to making things from scratch so I can control oil and sugar.  I am asking for a bread maker for Mother's Day....I would rather make bread with organic, multi grain ingredients and keep the bad oil and sugar out. 

  • duckyb1
    duckyb1 Member Posts: 13,369
    edited April 2011

    Hey mdg.......you got my ear..............it is horrible, and your right even the things you think are suppose to be good for you, and healthy too, when you read the label you think.............ok, I just spent a good portion of my sugar allowance already and I just finished breakfast....  What about the milk (even skim) that you put on the cereal.......check the sugar in that........

    At one time I did the  "Sugarbusters" diet, and it is great, and after a few days you do lose the craving for sugar, but good Lord, your constantly either reading the book, reading a label, reading the "handy list" of what you can't buy...........Gave up on that one after I realized the people at the grocery store knew me on a first name basis.....................I think again........its everything in moderation.

  • TonLee
    TonLee Member Posts: 2,626
    edited April 2011

    I'm with ducky.

    The majority of Americans didn't get obese eating fresh fruit and serving size portions of an occasional dessert.

    Moderation is key.

  • mdg
    mdg Member Posts: 3,571
    edited April 2011

    Tonlee:  I thought that until I got BC.  I am not someone that endulges in desserts and sweets much.  I usually have them when we go out to eat or have guests over.  We never even finish ice cream in our house before it gets frost bitten when we have leftovers from guests being here!  When I bake cookies, I freeze them in small packs of 4 cookies and only take a few out so we each have one.  I don't buy sugary snacks for my son much either - he doesn't ask for them much so I don't keep them on hand.   I exercise all the time - I have been an aerobics instructor for over 20 years.  I keep a low body weight.  I still got BC so now I am trying even harder to eliminate any hidden sugars.  I guess moderation works for some but it did not work for me.......I know that moderation is the key but feeling anxious about that these days given my situation.  Maybe it was wine, birth control pills and having a baby at 40 that did me in for BC.  Who knows..................I have cut out the wine and BC pills...so food is the next thing. 

  • slinky
    slinky Member Posts: 397
    edited April 2011

    mdg, I am right there with you.  I am not a sweets person, either.  Exercised all my adult life and I weigh the same as I did 25 years ago.  I don't drink and have always watched my sugar intake.  I bought some protein drinks that have 3g of sugar per serving.  I use these as replacement meals (breakfast and lunch), but I do snack quite a bit.

    I often wonder what woke my cancer cells up.  Was it BC pills, drinking water out of plastic bottles, too much salami and processed meats? I may never know, but I have changed my eating habits immensely.  I am almost afraid of eating...

  • XmasDx
    XmasDx Member Posts: 225
    edited April 2011

    Welcome new joiners, it's an interesting journey!

    @sdstarfish - I would LOVE some clarification on agave, how it's processed (short version or a link?) so that I can put this question to rest for myself once and for all.  I realize that I shouldn't be having a lot of ANY sweetener, but I don't quite trust the bad rap that agave is getting.  The Anticancer author and Crazy Sexy Diet author both recommend it, and I myself have used it and even love drinking Oogave' soda occassionally and I do NOT notice that it creates problems for me (mood/yeast/tired...).   I love my Esteban Oogave' Cola!  And it's caffeine free too!  Also, my Dad is diabetic and I would love to know if it is really safe for me to make him things with agave, xylitol, and/or stevia because I'm sure he would like some!

    Also the experts seem to recommend stevia, I have heard it is also extremely processed so I am unsure.  I have been purchasing stevia for occassional use for 15 years...  Now it's finally available everywhere and I'd love to confirm it's safe to use.

    I made granola bars with mostly honey... they were/are good and I am eating SMALL portions.

    My "pastry-ish" breakdown today was a piece of baklava.  It's made with honey.  I made a deal with myself.  Not sure it was worth it, but I think it was.  

    Hi x-ray girl!  LOVING the green juice!  Wish it wasn't so time-consuming, veggie-consuming (expensive) and messy!  I don't have time to clean all that up in the morning  before work... ?

    And quitting sugar for the 10 year old - yup... I have a soon-to-be 12 year old with a sweet tooth.  She also downs quinoa, greens, fruit, veg, brown rice... BUT... loves her sugar just like me.  GOOD FOR YOU!   Get it right out of the house is probably best in the long run. Cutting back is a little easier with applesauce/pureed pumpkin/etc baked goods, something to offer the little ones so they don't feel deprived.  I know mdg is getting good at this kind of baking!

    TonLee I agree with you, no one developed a weight problem from eating fruit, I just don't believe it... I think it's interesting that WeightWatchers has now made fruits "free" zero point foods, I believe unlimited?  Someone correct me if that is wrong... but I believe 2-3 servings of fruit per day is a good thing.  

    I think you ladies who do not crave sugar uncontrollably would be really shocked to know how much sugar a person can consume; I would say in high school & college back in the day it was probably 50% or more of my overall diet.  I was skinny then, but not healthy. I would say on a bad day, I still have those kinds of days.  Well, HAD those kinds of days.  Wink

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited April 2011

    I remember those days when I could eat nothing but sugar and stay skinny!  A distant memory now.

    I suspect that stevia and agave were purer in form when they first hit the market.  But money talks. So someone probably figured out how to increase their profits by adding fillers and processing them to add shelf life.   

  • XmasDx
    XmasDx Member Posts: 225
    edited April 2011

    Yes pip I agree that it is probable that agave and stevia changed (in bad ways) as they travelled the long winding path from local-natural-health-food-store-specialty-food to Super Store Grocery Chain Popular Grocery Item Request.  Bummer if it's the case.

  • molly52
    molly52 Member Posts: 389
    edited April 2011

    Janicemarie3 - I am sorry your daughter has Crohn's disease.  That is going to take a lot of getting used to - for her.

  • molly52
    molly52 Member Posts: 389
    edited April 2011

    Good research PIP. 

    I didn't know that honey is not vegan.  Anybody know why?

    Manufacturers put too much sugar and salt in our foods.  I tried buying the low sodium canned salmon.  Yuck! Even the cats wouldn't eat it!

  • Lilah
    Lilah Member Posts: 4,898
    edited April 2011

    Pip -- that's why I like the calorie counter app I use... I was able to check the nutritional stats.

    The salad had cheese, ranch dressing and bacon as I recall... I did not get it so I don't know all the contents. 

    A half rack of dry rub ribs is also low calorie and low sugar (less than 500 calories).

    I agree it's ideal to cook fresh food at home but that isn't always practical (at least not in my life).  That's why I like this calorie counter app which not only tells you calories but nutritional content as well.  It also has a food diary so you can keep track of what you eat... whether you eat out or at home.  There is something about having to record what you eat that gets you really attuned to what you are putting in your body.  It can become the food equivalent of the famous Seinfeld "spongeworthy" episode -- in this case, it's: a question of whether you want to spend your limited food time on food that is not healthy and tasty. 

  • Rachel1
    Rachel1 Member Posts: 363
    edited April 2011

    I've also reduced sugar since DX. This was the advice of Dr. Jeanne Wallace (sited in Anti-Cancer a New Way of Life). I've been a patient of hers since DX. Anyway, no alcohol (I miss my glass of wine), no refined carbos, no sweets, limited fruit, no dairy, only organic meats, vegetables, fruit, fish, etc. It's hard but doable. I do treat myself to dark chocolate (70%) and frozen organic blueberries and raspberries (when I can't get them fresh) and other organic fruit.  It's not the same as a honking piece of chocolate cake, but I'm not missing it like I thought I would.

    Rachel

    DX 5/10, IDC 4.5, stage 2,grade 3, positive nodes, ER+, BRCA2+ 

  • sagina
    sagina Member Posts: 1,219
    edited April 2011

    I think the honey is considered to be from an animal? I could be wrong.

  • TonLee
    TonLee Member Posts: 2,626
    edited April 2011

    Honey is an animal by product..it comes from Bees (doh!) but is made in their stomach...they regurgitate it into the combs.

    My son always says we're eating "bee throw up!"

  • TonLee
    TonLee Member Posts: 2,626
    edited April 2011

    MDG,

    I understand what you're saying.

    However, I still believe moderation is ok.  Sugar didn't give you cancer.  Or did it? 

    The point is we don't know.

    I personally find it hard to believe that sugar (again in moderation) gave me cancer.  I refuse to live my life giving up things I enjoy.

    If you can do it, I really really take my hat off to you.  As pointed out, sugar is everywhere.  It's an Olympic event trying to avoid it.

    I do not agree though that fruit should be lumped in with processed foods as "bad."  Fruits are rich in vitamins, minerals, and fiber.  All necessary to keep our cells doing their jobs.

    I believe we were created to consume fruits and veggies and meat.  That our very cells need the nutrients of these things to perform correctly.  When we deprive them of one or more, they struggle...add to that other environmental factors, and at least for for some of us, it means cancer.

    Food is fuel.  Not entertainment.  Not the enemy.  Not love.  Fuel. 

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited April 2011

    We bought a bread maker thinking we could handle what went in the bread. We don't have salt in the house and didn't put any in the bread. Doi! The bread didn't rise!!! You can buy pre-packaged bread mixes....now can you wonder what's in THEM????

  • mdg
    mdg Member Posts: 3,571
    edited April 2011

    Lilah:  I love the "spongeworthy" analogy!  LOL!  Before I eat something "good" I will have to ask myself if it's "spongeworthy"! 

    TonLee:  I agree...I don't think the sugar caused the cancer exactly but I feel like I will try my best to reduce it as much as I can.  I am doing a lot of low sugar baking/cooking even for everyday items that are not desserts to reduce the sugar and make it healthier for my family.  It's nice to see my 4 year old eat the healthy stuff and enjoy it vs. packaged foods with bad fats and too much sugar.  I don't plan on not eating sugar at all, just being way more aware and cutting where I can.  It is hard, but I think it can be done. I also agree with you about fruit...it has benefits and I will continue to eat fruit for the other benefits. 

    Barb:  I just asked my hubby for a bread maker for Mother's Day!  I was hoping to make some good, healthy bread.  I hope it comes out....now I am wondering....

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited April 2011

    Ours was like a brick!! Too funny. You DO have to follow the directions. We've actually had 2 breadmakers during our time. My DH gives them away when he doesn't get the result he wants.

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