Taxotere is a nightmare

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  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited April 2011

    I do not think Claritin makes me drowsy... I normally take allegra so I may not be the best to judge...

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited April 2011

    Hey divine - I have no problems with the Claritin either on the drowsiness front.  You are making me laugh with your feistiness about the working.  I read another post of yours where you referred to yorself I think as a "cancer b*tch" and I laughed out loud!  I am lucky that I work in a healthcare setting and they are very sympathetic and supportive towards me.  One of my co-workers had a family member treated for b-cell lympoma, and she said I shouldn't even consider working. Another currently has a sister being treated for lung CA.  They have been wonderful to me.   Also - it is a biohazardous environment so dangerous to me anyway.  My onc office is right next door so I drop in on them every couple of weeks to say hi and it is so nice to see them all.

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited April 2011

    My employer has been great too... I go to work, but when I need time off, I take time off... be it chemo day, ill day, leaving early or arriving late due to appts... they are great... If they weren"t I probably would have needed to take a leave because I need to go to appts and whatnot and that comes first.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited April 2011

    TheDivineMrsM They had me taking Zyrtec through out chemo so I didn't take Claritin (same kind of drug). Those drugs always make me drowsy so the first week of chemo I was walking around in a purple haze between that and the emend. (Emend made me spacey too). My body got used to the Claritin after a week so I never had the issue again… but I was on it continuously though chemo.

    Kar12  I had such bad back pain after my 1 tx on day 6 & & that I couldn't even stand up. I took Aleve and it helped. For the rest of my treatments I started the Aleve the night before nuelasta for 2 days and  the morning of day 6 for 2 days and was never in that much pain again.

    Krt12 and othershopefortomorrow is correct. Your oncs want to know all your issues. First of all they can't help you if they don't know what's ailing you. 2nd they want this information in your charts. I even told my NP Tuesday I started exercising again and she wrote that down in my chart. They really do want to know.

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited April 2011

    Lago... You wrote: My body got used to the Claritin after a week so I never had the issue again… but I was on it continuously though chemo.

    You meant NEULASTA, right?

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited April 2011

    No I mean Zyrtec. I took a Zyrtec every morning while on Chemo. Yes I did also have neulasta after each chemo tx too. I never got used to neulasta and that's why I was taking the Aleve.

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited April 2011

    Were you on Zyrtec for the Neulasta pain?? I am normally on Allegra but take Claritin for a few days around treatment to combat Neulasta pain.

  • Kar12
    Kar12 Member Posts: 8
    edited April 2011

    Thank you ladies for all the suggestions!

    SpecialK, I take Neupogen shots for 10 days starting the day after each infusion. It didn't pain like this when I was taking the FEC part of the chemo. That is why not sure if it is the Neupogen that is causing this pain or the Taxotere...I called my oncologist and left a message. Hopefully I will hear back soon and hopefully they will prescribe me some stronger pain medicines.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited April 2011
    dbavis I'm not sure why I was on Zyrtec, I assumed to reduce allergic reactions when on chemo. Not sure why my onc had me taking it continously. I was also taking hearburn medication continously too both starting the day before treartment.
  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited April 2011

    Kar12 - I am glad you called and hope they can find something to give you some relief.  If it is any consolation my subsequent tx of Taxotere did not cause me as much pain.  I hope it is the same for you.

  • Linda-n3
    Linda-n3 Member Posts: 2,439
    edited April 2011

    Cynthia, Kar12, and others, I also had pain with taxotere, like a severe "flu" with muscle aches and SEVERE fatigue, but that cleared up in about a week.  I was very lucky to have colleagues who helped out when I felt my worst - had to take about 2 days off completely with each cycle, but worked most days otherwise, sometimes only partial days.  But I was glad I did because it really helped me to feel more "normal".  The pain I had with Neulasta only lasted a couple of days with the second round but nothing with the first or other rounds, and it was definitely different from that of the taxotere.  Interestingly, my white count remained fine throughout treatment, but dropped after my last one and has not come back up to normal yet! Hmmmm???

    Working was a mixed blessing - took lots of energy, but also energized me from interactions with colleagues and my students.  However, I finally took the advice of my docs and took a reduced load this semester as I was not taking the time for healing that I needed, physically, emotionally, spiritually.  Still may not be doing so great on this, but for me, "normal" means taking care of others, so it is difficult to focus on my own needs.

    And just as I thought my fingernails were finally doing better, I pulled up 25% of my right index fingernail and 10% of the middle nail and partially the left thumbnail yesterday morning when I dropped a jar in the bathroom and tried to grab it.  Now I am back to babying the nails and paranoid about doing ANYTHING that could hurt them - and it is gardening time!  Cry And my boob hurts.  And there has to be SOMETHING that can be done about these miserable hot flashes besides drugs that mess up my brain!!! (I added flax seed and tofu back into my diet - had not been cooking much and had gotten away from them, so maybe that will help!).

    OK, enough pity party for Linda tonight.... I won a prize (a gift card to Starbucks" when I attended a breakfast meeting this morning for amateur radio emergency club, my hubby put topsoil into my planting bed so it is ready to go tomorrow if I can work in it, and I have had a relaxing Saturday afternoon.  So I have had many blessings and "moments of grace" today. Smile

    Hoping all of you are doing OK tonight.  Be kind to yourselves, know that I am sending you loving thoughts and prayers for courage and healing.

  • hopefortomorrow
    hopefortomorrow Member Posts: 193
    edited April 2011

    n3ypb, Lucky you! I can't wait to get out in my yard and plant in  my flower beds! Here the weather is still a bit too cold and miserable. Next week is my last taxotere. I thought my fingernails and toenails hurt before, they really hurt now! I just keep babying myself and tell me just a few weeks longer!

  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited April 2011

    When I began my chemo in Feb, the nurse told me not work in my flower beds!  She said there was mold.  Well, tending to the perennials and whipping those flowerbeds back into shape after winter is one of my favorite hobbies.  

     And I hear a number of women on here talking about working outside in the yard and dirt.  So of course, I have been trimming some things and pulling weeds and dividing perennials and replanting them.  A little bit at a time.  And haven't had any kind of issues with it.  Trying to get lots done before my 4th chemo this Wed. because I know it'll be at least a week before I feel up to it again.  We're having my son's hs grad party in the back yard in June, so DH and I have extra incentive for wanting the yard to look nice.

    I keep my nails short, always have, and never used acrylic nails or had manicures or anything.   Haven't had any finger or toenail issues as of yet.   

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited April 2011

    I hired someone for the first time ever to do a spring clean up in my yard and lay mulch... I just didn't have the time this year with chemo and working full time (also new for me),,,but I do plan on planting and hadn't heard anything about not doing that. I too haven't had any nails issues and have fnished 4 of 6 treatments... #5 tomorrow.

  • Linda-n3
    Linda-n3 Member Posts: 2,439
    edited April 2011

    I keep all  nails clipped short and don't use polish.  I am using vinyl gloves inside my gardening gloves to add additional protection from dirt under the nails. 

    I think that they must be most susceptible to "lifting" as the chemo lines grow out - I have been fascinated with how there are little "scale" type lines across the nails with darker color in between (the darker color seems to have occurred at the time when my nails felt like they had all been hit by a hammer, and that pain has resolved completely), so I am thinking that the effects of chemo made the attachment a bit weaker, so as it grows out to the end of the nail, that is when it is more susceptible to injury.  Just a theory here, but it seems that it would explain why I am still having problems (intermittently) 4 months after last chemo, and it seems they should be completely grown out in another 2 months, so am aiming for that as a celebration time.  Toenails also have the same lines, but without the dark color (or pain!), so I am wondering about taking good care of them over the summer in sandals as toenails take about a year to grow out ....

    I use an antifungal cream under all my nails after being in the pool (I am doing pool physical therapy) because I was worried about fungal infections.  I asked my MO and she said the cream was fine since I already had it from early chemo, but they also make a liquid preparation that may be easier to use under the nails if you think you may be at risk.  Ask you MO, especially if you are doing gardening or having hands/feet in prolonged moist environment and have any nail problems.

    And it got very cold here last night, so am not sure about the gardening today, but at least there is sunshine!

  • Linda-n3
    Linda-n3 Member Posts: 2,439
    edited April 2011

    bdavis, which growing zone are you in? I am adjusting to TN (previously from upstate NY), which is a bit of a challenge.  It's too late for peas here, I am afraid.  *sigh*

    I also had to rely on help for the heavy stuff this year, and double gloving is a nuisance, but I just love the smell of the dirt and watching the plants grow.  I think it is more cost-effective to buy veggies at the local farmer's market, and a bit less "work," but I just cannot resist a little gardening - it's a kind of "celebration of life" that brings me joy.

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited April 2011

    I am in Central NJ... and I fertilized and mowed last week and planting is still a couple of weeks away...

    I usually wear gloves and don't think I will double glove because I just have had no issues... my nails look and feel great. I do ice them during infusion, so that may be the trick... I don't have any lines or bumps or darkness.

    We have a 40 foot long garden and grow veges and some flowers... our strawberry leaves are green and healthy, and other than those I need to plant new plants... I enjoy the planting but do not enjoy the clean up (edging beds, laying mulch, pulling weeds) but that is all done and I only had to write a check.

  • hopefortomorrow
    hopefortomorrow Member Posts: 193
    edited April 2011
    For me the nail pain has come along in the later treatments. I have had a purple line running through one of my nails, and that one tended to be sore, I haven't worn fake nails or anything either. I have just kept my nails short and filed. I just had treatment 11 of 12. I would say they started bothering me from the 6th treatment on. Everything seems to be building. Frown
  • EmilyInOntario
    EmilyInOntario Member Posts: 626
    edited April 2011

    I recall being told to wear gloves for gardening because of lymphedema but I suppose the same logic would apply to chemo..you don't want to risk an infected scratch or cut. I had a tetanus shots a few years ago because of the risk of tetanus from rose thorn punctures etc since I am such an avid gardener.I am going to have trouble with the gloves this year I think as I love the feel of the soil when I plant things. I don't have any nail issues ..yet..but sure wouldn't want dirt under the nails if they were in any way at risk for infection from loosening or lifting.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited April 2011

    I wore gloves to prevent lymphedema after my surgery when cleaning, washing dishes etc. Granted I still got minor LE on one side but you really don't want cuts and scratches on your hands if you had nodes removed. Also prevents your hands from getting very dryer. I had very dry hands on chemo. I couldn't even use the anti bacterial soap my hands got so dry. The gloves helped.

    I know have extra pairs in the house just in case I rip one. Took getting used to but now I love to wear them when cleaning. Hands not a dry and no cuts scratches!  When they go on sale I buy a bunch.

  • dlcw
    dlcw Member Posts: 107
    edited April 2011

    lago - are the gloves something that you do from now on?  I haven't had my surgery yet but will be having axillary node dissection on the tumor side b/c I had 4 suspicious at dx.  Maybe the surgeon will tell me about that sort of stuff when we have our pre-surgery consult?  I had read about not having blood pressure done on the side with nodes removed, but wasn't aware that I should plan on gloves...anything else I should know about protecting that side? 

    I too love to garden - husband is getting the raised beds ready right now for some heirloom tomato plants we got at today's farmer's market.  I also clean when I am feeling stressed and a need for control (like scrub the baseboards with a toothbrush kind of cleaning....) and sometimes the skin on my hands gets very dry and cracks...sounds like I'll have to be more careful in the future as I suspect I will be having more-frequent stress related cleaning episodes once I'm done with treatment.

    dlcw
  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited April 2011

    No blood draws on BC side either

    And I suffer normally from eczema, but I take beta carotene once a day and it has resolved my problem 100%... I used to have super dry hands and no more... so maybe try it??

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited April 2011

    Yes the gloves are good preventative for the rest of your life. I started wearing them before I had LE. For other prevention information check here: linky

    No blood draws for either side for me unless medically necessary. I had to fight to get them to give the IV in my foot for my CT a month ago but they did it. Had the IV in my foot for the port surgery too. I still have my port so my blood draws have been from there. In the future they are going to have to do it in my foot or they aren't getting a drop.

    No BP unless medically necessary. My onc does have me doing BP on my sentinel side only. I make them do it manually though. The automatic machine is too constricting. If they don't have a manual then I make them do it on my leg but they never get a good ready. It always says I'm dangerously high. I don't let anyone else take my BP right now because I do get it taken every 3 weeks except for my LE MD. He's the only one who can seem to get a correct reading from my leg.

    Have to be honest I'm not all that comfortable getting BP on my arm. I have LE in one arm. Don't need it in two. After I'm done with herceptin that's going to change.

  • Mimidi
    Mimidi Member Posts: 231
    edited April 2011

    I started out getting taxotere and after 4 treatments had to change to abraxane.   Has this happened to anyone else?  I have three treatments of abraxane and then a week off.  7 to go and I am  at the end of chemo. 

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited April 2011

    mimidi - were you allergic or intolerant to Taxotere?  Abraxane is supposed to have fewer SE's due to its lack of a solvent to deliver the med into the bloodstream.

  • Mimidi
    Mimidi Member Posts: 231
    edited April 2011

    I was told it was the deliverer(sp) of the taxotere that was the problem.  I guess that was the solvent. Thanks for asking about that because I had forgotten that is what I was told the problm was.   I was allergic.  Felt horrable and wanted to stop all treatment completely and my hands were red , swollen, and peeled.  I had a rash on my arms, chest, and back.  I took steroids and an antiobotic..  My hands have cleared up although still tender and the rashes are finally gone.

    I seemed to have handled the abraxane.  I did not experience any bad days like with the taxotere.I hope this continues.  I don't want anything else to slow dow the chemo treatments.

  • Meekone
    Meekone Member Posts: 107
    edited April 2011

    Man I just started my chemo rounds and let me tell you I texted my doctor and told him that I believed Chemo was trying to eat me up inside out. My first treatment of TC was on 4/11/2011. I was fine all the way up until 4/13/2011. Good lord, I dont have any nausea, no upset stomach, no diarrhea, no nothing.

    I woke up wondering if I was going to be so lucky to just sail through. That night I awoke to a migraine that was like death con 1000, I literally rolled up in the fetal position and just cried quietly cause I didnt want to wake up my son. OMG this lasted from 10pm at night until 6am the next morning. Called Chemo nurse and she told me to take 4 advil every four hours, I did that and it kinda went to a dull throbbing that I could deal with. The next day, I thought everything was fine, I was walking in the grocery store and my leg plum gave out on me. Went back to the car and could barely drive home.  By the time I got there it was going through my whole body, this pain was unimaginable, and was unexplainable.  I have never felt pain like that before in my life.

    Call Chemo nurse back and asked to speak to Dr.  This couldn't be normal.  Dr was pissed that they had me managing this on Advil.  I called an ambulance because I couldn't drive.  The took me to ER and had to give me a steroid shot and some drug call Naxtol.  Took them three hours to get it under control.  Has anyone else ever had this problem?

  • EmilyInOntario
    EmilyInOntario Member Posts: 626
    edited April 2011

    Meekone...sorry you had to go through all that! I had severe pain in both legs from the knees down and my legs felt like rubber when I walked. I had to take oxycodone to kill the pain as tylenol # 3 did nothing.That started on day 3. I am on taxotere alone. This lasted about 5 days for me. Makes me dread round 2 on Thursday but I have my meds ready. Did you have decadron for the first 3 days of your treatment? I started decadron a day before and 2 days after the taxotere infusion.

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited April 2011

    meekone - I definitely had the brutal headache on tx#1.  I could only manage it with Vicodin that I had leftover from BMX.  I can tell you that the headache I had on tx #2 & #3 was much less painful and could be managed with Tylenol.  I have not experienced anything like the leg problem, but your onset of symptoms coincides with days 3-5 being the worst, which is pretty standard.  Had your onc not warned you that this would be the timeline?  I know I was lulled into thinking during the first couple of days after the first tx that everything was going to be fine.  I am wondering if your dose is too high?  What is your onc saying now?

  • Mimidi
    Mimidi Member Posts: 231
    edited April 2011

    Oh my gosh Meek had horrible for you.  My frist 4 treatments of A/C did me bad but not early as bad as this.  I am so sorry you are having to go through this.

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