Taxotere is a nightmare

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  • coni111852
    coni111852 Member Posts: 419
    edited April 2011

    Hi ladies.. It's only been 13 days after last tax...and having a hard time walking up the stairs my muscles feel tight and they hurt I can't walk on treadmill for more than 5 min cause I need to sit...my face also look chubby... I'm Hoping the tightness is just water retention I did gain 12 lbs in chemo...as for hair is getting thicker on sides but not so much on top which is worrying me... Also I have this other issue I bit my cheeck like 5 days ago now is so painful...but also I think some of my gums in that side is swollen.. Anyone experiencing gum issues??

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited April 2011

    coni I did have my gums bleed a little in the beginning but it stopped. I really took care of my teeth and gums during chemo. My dentist warned me that chemo can bring on dry mouth and encourage plac. I flossed every night. Use Biotene mouthwash. My teeth were cleaned just before chemo and about 1 month after. You just might need a cleaning.

    The stiffness took a while to go away. I'm now 12 weeks out and it's pretty much gone but I have been stretching. It was pretty bad in the beginning. I could barely walk up 2 flights of stairs. The water retention also makes it harder. I initially gained 16lbs on chemo but 8 of it was water retention. I'm on a low dose diuretic now (1/2  pill). My legs got so swollen my ankles were disappearing and my feet couldn't fit into some shoes. That's when my onc put me on a diuretic. They might be weening me off it now but we'll see.

  • Fighter_34
    Fighter_34 Member Posts: 834
    edited April 2011

    Biotin is hair, skin and nail multi-vitamin. Works very well. My hair is growing and growing. I can go topless pretty soon. This is truly crazy but I am more worried about my hair than my BREAST. Right after treatment I was so scared I wasn't going to get hair back. Lago, yes I plan on taking biotin for a pretty long time.

    Now I have a question anyone experiencing red eyes after chemo?? My eyes are slightly red and they are not irritated nor watery. Any answers?? Called the chemo nurse she said I must have allergies but I don't, and I feel crazy buying claritin and I don't have allergy symptoms.

    Let me do some research as well. And follow up w/ another nurse for her opinion.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited April 2011

    I had bloodshot eyes off and on. Even if your not tearing I wouldn't be surprised if your eyes are dry.

    I also hear using dark blue eyeliner will make the whites of your eye look whiter. Tongue out

  • hopefortomorrow
    hopefortomorrow Member Posts: 193
    edited April 2011

    I just found this thread last night, and it has been very helpful to me! I have two treatments left and I am miserable! On the other thread I visit most of the gals are on taxol. The last few weeks my mouth has been incerdibly dry and sore and my nail pain has increased. Exhaustion is unbelievable. I thought AC was bad, but for me I have barely any 'up' days. I can't open pop cans for example. I know you have all been there, but to read the advice and solutions and knowing I am not alone really helps. With a little humor- I think the nurses lie when they say the next chemo treatment drug will not be as bad!

  • EmilyInOntario
    EmilyInOntario Member Posts: 626
    edited April 2011

    Has anyone had the back of their hands on the outer apsects go red and mottled?( red closer to back of thumb and pinkie but clear in the middle of the back of the hand) I have a bit of red mottling down the back of my forearm as well. It's not a rash or raised at all and gets very red when I wash my hands.

  • Linda-n3
    Linda-n3 Member Posts: 2,439
    edited April 2011

    Hopefortomorrow, my MO told me chemo is cumulative, and that SEs get worse with each one, not better, so I was prepared for that.  The last round of exhaustion was the worst, and I am nearly 4 months out from last treatment, still have problems with fatigue, but am finally slowly and steadily gaining strength, energy, and positive attitude. 

    My eyes have been bothering me the last few weeks, very similar to the dry eyes I had for about 10-14 days after treatment, but they always got better; then became very dry and red about 2 weeks ago.  I have ophthalmology appointment tomorrow.  I also have never had allergies and don't believe that is what is going on, but also realize I blame every little symptom on the chemo, which may or may not have anything to do with them in reality!

    My teeth issues continue to plague me and I avoid eating as this seems to trigger it.  Really hard to describe, MO thought maybe I have gingivitis so I am seeing my dentist in a couple of weeks, but again, I just don't think this is it.  The timing and symptoms seem to similar to what I experience with my fingers with tapping on keyboard, they just seem to tingle and vibrate, but the gums do also, so who knows....

    One of the worst things right now is that the hot flashes have become nearly unbearable - about 12-15 a day, some of them so bad I nearly faint, and in between I am so cold and chilled to the bone, my fingers painfully cold.  And I went off tamoxifen after 6 weeks of hell, so I can't blame that! Tongue out

    I have been trying to practice more mindfulness-based approach to improve my overall mood, attitude, and distress, and am having some success except near the end of the day when I get really exhausted.   I am just trying to practice "loving kindness" toward myself and others and to quit "fighting reality".  I am changing my name to "Abigail Towanda" just for kicks as I don't feel like "Linda" some days.  But the good news is that I have now had enough energy to work relatively full days for the past week!  My students and colleagues are so great and they really energize me!  Hooray!

    Coni, those horrible muscle pains will go away, and I think it is kind of like labor pains.  I had forgotten how badly I felt for about 10 days of every cycle with the aches and pains, so I want to thank you for reminding me that indeed I AM healing!!  Hang in there, come here to ask questions, ventilate, support, etc.  The advice and support I have received from these women that I have never met have been a tremendous help to me!! Thanks to all of you, and I keep you all in my meditations for healing.

    Abigail Towanda (AKA Linda)

  • Linda-n3
    Linda-n3 Member Posts: 2,439
    edited April 2011

    EmilyOntario, I have noticed the veins in my fingers on the palmar side seem to look like varicose veins, but I am thinking they may have always looked like that and I just never noticed.  But I do have problems with painfully cold hands, then fingers get bright red and throbbing when they finally warm up (usually following a hot flash!).  When did you notice your symptoms? When was  your last treatment?  Are you having any tingling or numbness in your hands or arms?  Do you get  your chemo through peripheral vein or a port?  You should let your MO know ASAP!

  • EmilyInOntario
    EmilyInOntario Member Posts: 626
    edited April 2011

    n3ypb...I noticed the redness yesterday. Taxotere was 13 days ago ( first round). No numbness or tingling and no port. There is no redness anywhere near the chemo infusion site and the rash is symmetrical on both hands. I'll give the doc a call tomorrow...

  • coni111852
    coni111852 Member Posts: 419
    edited April 2011

    Thanks Abigail!!! Love the name

  • Linda-n3
    Linda-n3 Member Posts: 2,439
    edited April 2011
    Well, it's official.  I now have episcleritis, an inflammation of the vessels of the eye, thanks to a "common" side effect of chemo.  Steroid eyedrops for 3 months, increased risk for glaucoma, "minimal" risk of cataracts.  Whoop-dee-doo.  Frown  "It may burn itself out after a while."  I wonder if the vessels in my eye are inflamed if there are other small vessels also inflamed, and is that causing other damage to other parts of my body??? Not happy about this, but the weather is nice, I had a great massage, and am getting some energy back.
  • Cyborg
    Cyborg Member Posts: 848
    edited April 2011

    Ok, kids. Now I am scared. I haven't started yet bit "hope" to get started soon. I am scared to work while doing this!!! Right now I am off and I am wondering is it SANE to work while doing his type or any type of chemo? My job is a high stress job. I am already crying nearly every day due to dealing with the slowness and added other mass found in my V!!!! I can't see just going to work and facing that . Am I being a baby? I am told that I will be taking claritin and tylenol or advil. Bone pain?? How the he'll am I supposed to work with that in a job that I have to focus on others. WT___!!!!

  • Cyborg
    Cyborg Member Posts: 848
    edited April 2011

    Oh. And do u think I am asking for it to do the treadmill (walking) at the gym withhis germs at the gym.

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited April 2011

    Hi Cynthia... I think everyone is different... you need to remember that many people who come on these sights are the ones either doing research or those who have problems... Some people have NO problems at all.. Believe it or not, at work, there are 9 people on my hall and two of us are on chemo Taxotere and Cytoxan... the other woman just finished her 4th and final treatment and had NO NO NO side effects, no bone pain, no nails issues, no nausea, nothing. And I have had very few problems... I take chemo day off and then the third day and that's it. And the bone pain was more like an achiness like flu-like achiness and lasted only that third day.  And each TX is different.. for my third tx, I had chemo on Thursday and Neulasta on Friday and Saturday night went to a big gala event and Sunday I rested and then went to my book club meeting... so you just never know.

    I would plan to go slow for the first treatment week to see how YOU handle it and then go from there... Follow the precautions to avoid some SE and drink lots of water.

    Good luck.

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited April 2011

    Oh and Cynthia.. I went to St John for 10 days between tx 3 and 4... don't pysch yourself out... they tell you a lot of things but I work in a school and have had no health issues... just be smart... wipe down the machines at the gym before you use them... that will be fine.

  • EmilyInOntario
    EmilyInOntario Member Posts: 626
    edited April 2011

    Cyborg...this is the time to take care of YOU..and if you need to take time from work to look after yourself you should certainly do it. You are NOT being a baby at all. Everyone seems to have different reactions to taxotere but speaking for myself I absolutely could not imagine working. Perhaps you will hear from others that have had an easier time of it but give yourself permission to look after yourself and stay home and recover if you are able to.

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited April 2011

    I should also add Cynthia that I agree with Emily... take care of yourself and do what is right for you... I just wanted to say not to be scared of the treatment because you don; know whether you will be like my co-worker with no SE at all or if you will have a lot of problems, but don't borrow trouble before you know...

     There are lots of women here with great advice and support... TAKE ONE DAY AT A TIME

  • dragonfly1
    dragonfly1 Member Posts: 766
    edited April 2011
    Cyborg You will find a range of responses to chemo as you read the forum-as bdavis said. Don't panic. It IS possible to work during chemo for many of us. I have had a lot of side effects but have still managed to work by learning how to cope with them. I've only had to take off 1 day in each cycle at the most. I haven't been so lucky with the SEs-you name it and I've had it almost. My point is that it sounds really bad when you read some of the posts and although it's not the easiest thing, it is manageable and you can work if you are determined to do so. And let's hope you don't have to deal with so many SEs. But no matter what, you will be able to come here for advice and support and you will get through it! By the way, I work as a social worker in the emergency room and on medical units at a large hospital and it can be tough to do a high stress job during chemo (but it is possible) and I've managed to stay healthy through chemo so far even though I'm around a lot of illness...
  • dragonfly1
    dragonfly1 Member Posts: 766
    edited April 2011

    I agree-I've said many times that it is a personal decision as to whether you work or not during chemo. There are so many days that I have struggled and it's definitely not easy. I personally have found that it helps me to have a routine and to be around my colleagues because otherwise I would be completely isolated. My situation is different than others...my husband is gone frequently (he's a pilot) and I have absolutely no family in my area. That makes a difference. You have to do what's right for you but I definitely think it is possible to work. 

  • Omaz
    Omaz Member Posts: 5,497
    edited April 2011
    n3ypb - I had episcleritis a few years ago in one eye and it actually cleared up pretty quick that time.  Granted it wasn't related to chemo!  Maybe you will be fortunate and it will clear up quickly.
  • hopefortomorrow
    hopefortomorrow Member Posts: 193
    edited April 2011

    Cyborg, I decided to stay home during chemo. I work with the public and have to stand on my feet all day, maintaining an upbeat attitude. For me going into the unknown (Chemo treatment, then radiation) and then having the pressure to always be at my best was just too stressful. I am one of the few that have had side effect problems. Everyone is different, Do what is best for you. I just told one of the women at the living well center that I am very annoyed that some of my coworkers at work have the impression I am at home having a great time. It has not been fun! I had Adrimicin, cytoxin first, now I am finishing taxotere. For me it has been a difficult ride. I do agree though, once you learn what works for you, the side effects do become managable. I have extreme fatigue. I have a hard time pushing a full grocery cart through the store and I am breathless, I can't imagine standing on my feet all day and lifting things.

  • Cyborg
    Cyborg Member Posts: 848
    edited April 2011

    Thank you, all. I appreciate you being here.

  • Cyborg
    Cyborg Member Posts: 848
    edited April 2011

    Thank you, all. I appreciate you being here.

  • Kar12
    Kar12 Member Posts: 8
    edited April 2011

    Hi everyone,

    I had my first taxotere infusion this past Monday and since yesterday I am having severe pain in my arms, legs, and lower back. It is so bad I can't walk even. Tylenol didn't work. I have read this thread and know that this kind of pain happens, but can anyone please let me know approximately how long do these severe arms, legs, and lower back pains last after each infusion? I hope not too long cause it is hard to take this pain anymore...

  • hopefortomorrow
    hopefortomorrow Member Posts: 193
    edited April 2011

    I would call your oncologists office, they might have to give you something stronger. Nurses there always told me not to be afraid to call, they did not want to see anyone suffering during treatment.  

    They might adjust what they give you on your next treatment.

  • EmilyInOntario
    EmilyInOntario Member Posts: 626
    edited April 2011

    Kar12..I had severe pain in both legs from the knees down for approximately 5-6 days. Tylenol #3 wasn't strong enough so took oxycodone and that did the trick. I wish I hadn't waited..and suffered for 2 days as the pain was pretty bad. Do get something strong to deal with it and hopefully it will pass in a few days as mine did...

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited April 2011

    kar12 - did you also get Neulasta?  If so, you may be having bone pain from that as well as the Taxotere.  If it was your first Neulasta the pain can be quite uncomfortable as your bones are undergoing expansion to produce white blood cells.  If you are getting Neulasta try taking Claritin an hour before the injection and for a couple of days afterward.  A lot of people have had good relief from Aleve.  It is longer acting so you have to take fewer pills, but definitely move to something stronger if you need to.  Check with your onc about the Claritin if you haven't tried it yet.  Definitely tell them about your degree of pain.

    cyborg - I chose to take a leave of absence from work.  My situation was complicated by a number of surgeries close together and then starting chemo, but my job is physical and stressful so I couldn't fathom going back.  During the 10 days following a tx I know it would be challenging to work, then the next 10 days I think I could do it.  I am nervous about my ability to go back when I am done because of cumulative weakness - they are giving me 30 days after chemo is complete and then I have to return.  I think exercise is good and if you are sensible about what you touch/hand washing/wiping down at the gym - and watch your blood counts, you should be fine.

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited April 2011

    Hopefortomorrow... I had a lot of achiness the first Tx... probably from both taxotere and Neulasta... it lasted from like Thursday night (Neulasta night) until Monday with achy back, hips, neck and headaches... The following treatments I didn't have it as bad at all... either the Claritin helped or oncce the bones expanded then they stay that way for a while??

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited April 2011

    bdavis - exactly right on the first expansion from Neulasta.  Subsequent bone pain is more likely to be from the Taxotere with less contribution from the Neulasta.  Also the bigger the bone the more the expansion, thus more pain.  More white cells are produced in the larger bones like femur, hip and pelvic girdle.

  • DivineMrsM
    DivineMrsM Member Posts: 9,620
    edited April 2011

    Those of you who take Claritin for bone pain, does it make you drowsy?  I haven't tried it yet (have had 3 neulasta shots) but am considering it for the next time which will be next week.  But sinus medicine, whether it claims to be non-drowsy or not, always seems to make me feel a bit funky.  So that's why I ask.

    Re: to work or not work during chemo. As women, we need to be far less concerned about what others think of us.  Most of our co-workers are not going thru the chemo process.  If they are thinking we're living it up, when in fact, we may feel like hell, the problem lies with the co-workers.  We need to make choices for what is right for OUR HEALTH.  

    My job is part time and not overly stressful, but I take a 5 days plus a weekend off for each treatment and an occasional day off here and there in between. This diagnosis and treatment sucks.  Imo, they are lucky I show up for work as much as I do.  I will be getting the summer off (work in a school system) and that is getting me through.  I also have built up sick days so I'm still getting paid for the days I take off.  We need to give our HEALTH the importance it deserves, and not let those at our workplace dictate how we should feel about doing that!  They may make their own decisions about their own health if and when a similar situation arises in their lives.  We worry too much about what others think.  Let's put ourselves and OUR NEEDS first for a change!  We are worth it.

     This soapbox moment has been brought to you by Mrs. M......... 

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