Deciding against taking AI

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I was taking Aromasin for over a year when I started to feel like I drank 10 cups of coffee, so I went off of that. My oncologist then prescribed Arimidex which made my eyesight worse and gave me horrible headaches.  I can not imagine having to live like this for the next 8 years. I took myself off of the Arimidex 5 days ago and I will meet with my oncologist next Thursday.

I don't want to die of cancer, but I know that AIs can not play a major rule in my life.  I am only 41 years old and a homeschooling mom.  I don't have time for the side effects.   I have had both an oopherctomy and then a hysterectomy. 

What alternatives are out there?  I have read this board, and I am feeling overwhelmed with the information.  Can someone give me a starting point? I know about diet, exercise, no soy protien or flaxseed.  I use Bare minerals make up with coconut oil as my lotion.  

I want to feel prepared when I meet with my oncologist.

Thanks!

Beth

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  • dogsandjogs
    dogsandjogs Member Posts: 1,907
    edited April 2011

    I don't know any alternatives either and would love to know. I thought flax was good for us. A friend of mine swears by flax seed and soy also.  I'm really confused. I can't take some things because I'm on a blood thinner which complicates things. My onc wants me on Aromasin and I'm very nervous about it. Is the answer to consult a nutrionist?  And where do you find one who is familiar with cancer survivors?

  • Husband11
    Husband11 Member Posts: 2,264
    edited April 2011

    Tamoxifen is an alternative to an AI when it comes to endocrine therapy for hormone receptor positve BC.  There is no reason it can't be used postmenopausal or following an oophorectomy.  Perhaps bringing this up is stating the obvious, but I wanted to make sure you discussed this with your oncologist.

  • Member_of_the_Club
    Member_of_the_Club Member Posts: 3,646
    edited April 2011

    Timothy beat me to it.  Many women who have a tough time on AIs do better with tamoxifen.  There is a myth that it is only for premenopausal women but that is absolutely not true.

  • jan508
    jan508 Member Posts: 1,330
    edited April 2011

    I am post menopausal and was put on Tamoxifen as opposed to AI's because I had osteoporosis in hip and Tamoxifen is good for bone health. I also have ovaries so I have to watch for endrometrial thickening.

    My PCP also stated the Tamoxifen is easier to tolerate than AI's due to SE's.  I had some side effects off and on but a very doable RX.  I have been on it since October.

    Jan

  • BethHG
    BethHG Member Posts: 27
    edited April 2011

    I thought there was all sort of problems with Tamoxifen as well.  In fact, that is why I had my ovaries removed.  I was nervous about taking Tamoxifen.  Now, wouldn't it be ironic if I ended up taking it after all?Tongue out

  • Mountains1day
    Mountains1day Member Posts: 102
    edited April 2011

    I depends on tumor pathology.  For the newbies, it's important to know if their tumor was Her 2 positive (which your not) studies have shown Tamoxifen is not as effective compared to an AI. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    srbreastcancersurvior,,

    about flax seeds and soy

    flaxseeds was recomended by my nanay's endocrinologist for those who have an imbalance of estrogen metabolites (more 2OH than 16OH)

    however, most BC patients have more 16OH than 2OH-- so my mother eats more cruciferous vegetables --- but not flaxseeds

    about soy--  my mother eats natto (fermented bean curd), and miso-- as this type of soy actually has the substance called genistein -- which was proven as anti-cancer..

    however, most of the products sold in the market-- labeled soy-- most often does not have that genistein-- 

    so if you really have to eat soy-- chose natto, tempeh or miso (avoid everything else)

    also avoid soy supplements.

    as for flaxseeds-- I would probably get tested for my 2OH and 16OH ratio first before taking it...

    small amounts will probably do-- but if you are taking it as a supplement -- you might need to reconsider..

    when we are talking about hormones and endocrine system--we normally talk to endocrinologists--but I learned that not all endocrinologists specialize on cancer..

    the ob/gynae that my mother is seeing also orders hormone test and give good advice on what to eat and not to eat-- depending on how it affects hormones/endocrine system as part of the battle plan to protect her ovaries/uterine..

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    BethHG,

    another option is Raloxifen...but like what Timothy said, if you are looking for a conventional option-- just go back to your medical practitioner. google Raloxifen, Aromatase Inhibitors and Tamoxifen..then print them and bring to your doctor so you have all the background information to make a decision..

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited April 2011

    I have been on both tamoxifen and arimidex.  Tamoxifen was definitely more of a problem for me.  So don't assume that an AI will be worse.

  • jan508
    jan508 Member Posts: 1,330
    edited April 2011

    Good point pip:

    I should have carified in my post that 'everyone' is different and every side effect is different for each of us.

    Me, I was lucky on Tamoxifen...some side effects but very manageable.

    Jan

  • Husband11
    Husband11 Member Posts: 2,264
    edited April 2011

    I'm not aware of the approved use of Raloxifene for prevention of recurrance of ER+ breast cancer.  From what I've read, its approved use is for the prevention of occurance in women at high risk (genetic factors).  Correct me if I'm wrong on this.  There are several SERM's (including lasofoxifene) that have approval for (initial) prevention, but not treatment.

  • duckyb1
    duckyb1 Member Posts: 13,369
    edited April 2011

    Ok, ladies, I'm suppose to start on Femara, and actually have the script sitting on the table......Read the SE, not happy, already have Ostopenia, and joint aches from arthritis......Said on another thread.....Worked 15 years in the Pharma industry...........Had drugs and everything they do to you...........Maybe I just learned too much..........Yea, some do good, but others will kill you with the SE, just listen to the commercials, and Heaven Forbid you read the pamphlet inside..............Guess it depends on the person, but I for one am not happy about take any of the Al's or Tomox.  I have my inherited aches at 76.  who the hell needs more...........Help

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    hillck--

    Arimidex is only more effective compared with Tamoxifen in recurrence. Tamox has proven overall (all cause) survival value. You will not find any studies that demonstrate Arimidex improves overall survival. Originally, they thought that less recurrence would cause women to live longer. However, Arimidex is so hard on the heart and bones, that survival benefit washed out.

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited April 2011

    BethHG... You asked for starting points to research natural options.  DIM (perhaps the most popular), I3C (related to DIM), Grape Seed Extract (being studied now at MDAnderson), and Myomin (a Chinese herb). 

    Unfortunately, there currently are no definitive studies showing that any of them give the exact same benefits that the pharmaceuticals do.  OTOH, while they can produce the same joint aches and other low-estrogen SEs that Tamox & A/I's do, they don't have any of the other serious potential SEs associated with those.   It's a very personal choice, and IMO, neither is without worries.  I would be surprised if you get any support from your onc.  You may need to find a highly qualified naturapathic doctor for a consultation to help you decide.

    Hope this helps.   Deanna

  • BethHG
    BethHG Member Posts: 27
    edited April 2011

    What is DIM and 13C? 

    OOPS!  Never mind, I just googled it.  :)

    So, does anyone have experience wtih these?

  • fairy49
    fairy49 Member Posts: 1,245
    edited April 2011

    I have used DIM for the past 2 + years, it totally switched by 2:16 ratio, of course I also take a boat load of other supplements, but the DIM is super important, 400mgs per day.

    L

    ox

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited April 2011

    Beth, check out the Natural Girls thread.  It's in the Alternatives and Complementary Medicine Forum.  It's a very lengthy thread, but many of us who post there are on alternative estrogen modulators.  Also use the search feature on this page (to upper right) to search for any of those names.  I've used I3C for 2 years after a bad reaction to Femara.     Deanna

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    hi beth,

    my mother is also on I3C/DIM for the last 15 months..

  • LtotheK
    LtotheK Member Posts: 2,095
    edited April 2011

    Yes, Lucy, that is urgent information for me, thanks.  If I am menopausal, my onc wants me on an AI. I have been clear from the beginning that to me, that trades the cancer benefit for other problems that affect overall survival, particularly in the younger set.  41, IMO, is just way too young to have all the estrogen stripped.

  • BethHG
    BethHG Member Posts: 27
    edited April 2011

    I am almost decided on on not taking pharmaceuticals anymore.  There is one thing holding me back from my final decision, and that is my husband's support. We have talked about it a little, and I feel that he is very nervous about this route--and who could blame him!  I just know that I know that I don't want to have permanant demage from these drugs, and I sure don't want to have a heart attack! 

    One thing I have noticed after I went off of the Aromasin is that my blood sugars are back to normal.  When I was on them, I had high blood sugar.  I am no longer on Metformin to lower my blood sugars.

    After stopping the Arimidex (actually its generic form), my eyesight  is getting back to normal.  I am feeling healthier than I have in a long time.  I am actually ready to exercise again.  I am also ready to eat better than I was (I was always too tired to make better foods--yeah, I know, excuses, excuses.)

    I don't want to put anymore poison in my body.  I have even stopped colroing my hair because hair coloring is so full of chemicals.

    Any suggestions on starting to eat healthier.  All of which I probably know--one of which is to stop eating so much ice cream.

    Thanks!

    Beth

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited April 2011

    Beth, have you read, Anti-Cancer, A New Way Of Life, by David Servan-Schreiber, MD, PhD?  It's one of the best books out there. 

    I'm a big advocate of making small changes to your eating habits and diet each week, rather than going cold turkey on everything you're used to, which may be hard to maintain.  Add one uber-healthy food (like salmon or broccoli) to your menus each week, while at the same time eliminating or cutting down on the less healthy stuff.  You'll be amazed at the changes you can accomplish in a few months. 

    Also, exercise has been shown to reduce our risk of recurrence by something like 35%.  So it's really important to find an activity you like and can stick with.     Deanna 

  • LtotheK
    LtotheK Member Posts: 2,095
    edited April 2011

    Thank you so much, Hillck.

    Just another axe to grind in the "there's scant info on women under 40":  my oncologist now wants me on calcium, as Tamoxifen acts as a bone degrader in pre-menopausal women.

    After a while, you just have to do what you can and move on (but I'm pretty "no way" on the AI subject).  There's just no way to do this all "right", the medical community is so confused on this issue.  I have heard over and again that breast cancer is considered one of the most stubborn and elusive cancers.

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