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  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited March 2011

    SoGr--I wear gloves, not gauntlets, but in my experience, they do get beat up.

    Before my fingers swelled I tried Jobst gauntlet--not bad, and a Juzo gauntlet--didn't have the Jobst "cuff"

    Lymphadiva gauntlets are a bit expensive, and do have a seam inside the thumb that can rub, but are fashionable.

    Kira

  • Springtime
    Springtime Member Posts: 5,355
    edited March 2011

    Oh my, I am so glad to find this thread. I have really long arms so am currently wearing a Juzo when I do weight training or cardio. 

    I was made aware of this "Silver Weave" fabric on the "breast LE" thread by cookiegal and others on that thread (thank you!) 

    I have most of my issues in my breast and side of chest -- any updates on getting a T-shirt in this fabric? I was thinking of getting the "Belly" one and trying it on my upper body, but I am reading here that this may not work because of the "band"?? Is that correct? 

    I am thinking of ordering the Bilateral for biking, weight training, exercise as you are all saying it is "lighter" and more comfortable, and Nordy even remarked it seemed "Cool"!! Which would be really good for exercise (my current gets very hot, tight blech).

  • Springtime
    Springtime Member Posts: 5,355
    edited March 2011

    adding to favorites!

  • SleeveNinja
    SleeveNinja Member Posts: 178
    edited March 2011

    Cookie - I am so used to my Wave but when I first got it I remember thinking that it made my LE arm feel totally normal and my normal arm feel like it had LE (a little bit tingly and achey.)  By now of course, my normal arm just feels normal and my LE arm feels like my LE arm in a sleeve (funky but supported) . . . . 

    Binney - I have never had a problem with the cuff/wrist area of the Wave - but I wondered if it might be an issue for people with swelling in that area.  And yeah - I'd pretty much sell my soul to get rid of LE and, short of that, for a Wave tee shirt!!!!  

  • Springtime
    Springtime Member Posts: 5,355
    edited March 2011

    I ordered the bilateral sleeves tonight. I got size medium and color black because I was nearly a small and you all mentioned that the black seemed to fit the tightest.

    Also, after measuring around my boobs, I ordered a larger tummy/tunc garment that I'm going to try around my chest - may cut the top and bottom bands off. If that doesn't work, I'm going to cut it up and stick in in my bra like Cookie does!! She's had amazingly good results for breast LE.

    SleeveNinja - I am also wating for a Wave Tee Shirt!!!! My next thought is getting some "under armor" and sticking the Wave inside there!!!  (There's got to be a better way, but not sure that it exists right now!) My Kingdom for a Wave Tee!!! 

    I remember early on when I was going for LE therapy they started by taping me up. The Kineseo tape worked really well for me, but I am alergic to the adhesive, so it gave me a bad rash and I just could't do it. BUT I am hopeful these "waves" will be sort of the same principal as the tape - the moving and gentle massage pricipal, but without the adhesive. A girl can hope anyway. :)

    Spring. 

  • SleeveNinja
    SleeveNinja Member Posts: 178
    edited March 2011
    Spring - I believe with enough interest and positive feedback the manufacturer will indeed make a tee one of these days.  It can't be soon enough for me.  I can't use the band because my swelling is in my axilla, around front up to my collar bone, around back of shoulder blade (down to I can't quite tell where) and the  band would "cut" it in the middle of the swelling.  (It's an impossible area to apply compression and I can tell something bad is gradually happening to my tissue Cry )  Let us know how it works for you.
  • DiamondGirl
    DiamondGirl Member Posts: 1,046
    edited March 2011

    Hi all, very glad I found this thread.  My mom's health condition is weakening and I must fly to see her on Tues, Mar 29th.  I didn't have sufficient time to shop for a compression sleeve but did manage to have one ordered and I just picked it up last Friday.

    I have a 5 inch wrist and the fitter ordered me a Jobst Bella Strong 20-30 mmHg Size Small.  In their chart it said that the wrist will fit 5"- 6 3/4".  Tried it on and everywhere fit well except the wrist, it has loose space.   I laid it flat and measured the wrist of the sleeve and it was 2.75" across, that in itself is already 5.5" wide. 

    I know you ladies have a lot of experience, can some one please tell me if I should still go ahead and wear it on my flight?  Will there be anything that I should watch out for when the wrist area is not tight?  I do not have swelling on the wrist nor hand.  I also had to return the gaunlet because the wrist was large too and the edging was unravelling.

    I wore the sleeve for 1 hour and it made me feel even more tingly. 

    My main issue is the forearm and upper arm.  I do have slight swelling in the axilla and slight swelling on the dx breast.  I had a partial mast and SNB. 

    Any suggestion or tips would be appreciated. Thank you all in advance!

  • cookiegal
    cookiegal Member Posts: 3,296
    edited March 2011
    Binney...Dr. Francis suggestion was to wear an extra compression device...(juxt-a-fit) over the silverwave...is that any help?

    for me the long cuff has been great...I have such a small wrist and lower arm it actually fits...everything else has been too lose there...and again since my lower doesn't have much le...the above area had been ok.

    Right now it's the only sleeve that fits....however more compression would be great!

    But the healthy arm pain is real...the pressure exacerbates some pain and inflamation from using the mouse...so I am now walking around with the left arm off and just hanging around!!!! I feel like a dainty elephant with a trunk!!

  • DiamondGirl
    DiamondGirl Member Posts: 1,046
    edited March 2011
  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited March 2011

    DiamondGirl, do you have a lymphedema therapist? If so a lunchtime drop-in just to check the fit would be helpful. If not, then it seems to me you'd be better off without it. Can you get a long-sleeved sportshirt like an UnderArmor before you fly? If so, get it snug but not irritatingly so, and turn it inside out so the seams don't irritate. Isotoner therapeutic gloves can also be helpful so that fluid doesn't end up in your hand.

    Before and throughout your trip stay VERY WELL hydrated. At intervals do some deep abdominal breathing and exercise your arms with gentle stretches. Cat-clawing over your head (or make a fist and release it slowly and steadily while holding your arm above your head) is good. Also holding your arms straight out in front of you and bending at the elbows to touch your finger to your nose. Will your fellow-travelers think you're nuts? Possibly, but you'll never see them again, so ignore!Laughing

    While packing and at the airports, be careful about jerking suitcases around. Get somebody else to lift them in and out of the overhead bins and off the carousels.

    Whenever possible, elevate your arm -- on pillows at night too. 

    When boarding, I stop and tell the smiley flight attendants that I have a medical condition that requires that I drink a lot of water, and they've always been good about making sure I stay well supplied. Don't be bashful, because you want to be in great shape when you arrive, since you'll be in a stressful situation. Continue to wear the UnderArmor if you're going to be doing any heavy lifting while caring for your mom.

    I'm so very sorry about the reason for your flight. Prayers for a really precious time with your mom and family. Please keep us posted!
    Binney

  • DiamondGirl
    DiamondGirl Member Posts: 1,046
    edited March 2011

    Binney, thank you for your valuable detailed information.  I have one more question, should I wear it as I go through the scanner or should I put it on after all that.  Since my dx side is so sensitive to touch, I'm afraid I won't be able to be patted down.  It will definitely hurt. 

    I do have a LE therapist and it is a great idea to let them take a look. 

    I will keep you guys posted.  Again many thanks!

  • toomuch
    toomuch Member Posts: 901
    edited March 2011

    My trunk and arm LE have both been flaring and while wrapping is helping my arm, the trunk LE was giving me fits. I have a champagne wave sleeve that was too big when it arrived and now doesn't give me enough compression in my arm. So, last night I tried Cookiegals method. I put the wave sleeve inside my compression bra and after 12 hours there was a huge decrease in my breast and trunk swelling. I'm going to order a band and try to sew it inside one of my wear ease compression cami's to see if I can wear it during the day too.The compression bra is just too bulky for daytime wearing. Anyway, thank you COOKIEGAL, the wave worked like magic!

  • Springtime
    Springtime Member Posts: 5,355
    edited March 2011

    Too much, great to hear! I'm out of town now by my wave sleeves and trunc thing should be home when i get there. Can't wait to try it! Very hopeful that it is also working for you!!

  • LindaLou53
    LindaLou53 Member Posts: 929
    edited March 2011

    I am still in the process of taking twice a day measurements of both my arms while wearing the ArmCare sleeve but thought I would make a few comments today about the SilverWave garment.  I was interested in trying it out just to see the fit and whether or not I could find a way to use it along with my other compression garments.  My thinking was I knew it would not provide enough compression for my left LE arm but wondered if the wave pattern might have an impact on my fibrotic areas in addition to providing some mild support to my right At-Risk arm. 

    As others have mentioned I found the garment to be very comfortable to wear.  I was a little suprised at the long wrist cuffs and "gathered" construction in the forearm area as Binney noted, however, found that the design seemed to fit my arm shape without any loose or too tight areas.  

    In spite of my long arms the sleeves fit comfortably and had plenty of stretch.  I did note that the band going across my back shoulders seemed a little loose but I definitely felt it was comfortable and no areas digging into my shoulders or axilla area.

     

    I decided that in order to test the impact of the SilverWave fabric without compromising my needed compression levels for my LE arm, I would need to wear it underneath my current Mediven 550 Custom sleeve along with my Mediven 550 custom glove.  I did wear this combination as seen in the picture for a couple days. 

     

    It was comfortable, no unusual binding or irritations noted.  I did find that after removing the SilverWave garment I had a "roadmap"  of ridges left behind, similar to what I see after wearing my JoviPak nighttime garment.

    As others have mentioned, I found that my right Non-LE but at risk arm was more stimulated than usual with new sensations but that could be just the initial adjustment to wearing a garment.  I did not have any achyness or irritation noted on the right arm while wearing the SilverWave like I did when wearing the first ArmCare sleeve I tried.

    Because my current project is determining whether the Class II ArmCare sleeve can provide adequate compression, I stopped wearing the SilverWave for now and am strictly wearing the ArmCare during the day, sometimes alternating days with my regular Mediven sleeve.  I always wear my Medi glove no matter which sleeve I am wearing.  I am keeping track of circumference measurements twice a day at 6 points on each arm.  3 points below the elbow and 3 points above.  Now that I have replaced my original ArmCare sleeve with the non-defective black original version, I have been tracking my measurements for 9 days straight.

    I know Sue Callison was in Italy a week ago and hopefully she will have some news soon regarding garment revisions and future plans for expanding garment selections.  I will let both her and all of you know the results of my little experiment with the ArmCare Sleeve as soon as I feel I have enough data to share my opinion.   Smile

  • nowords
    nowords Member Posts: 423
    edited March 2011

    I met with a new fitter a week ago and my Therapist asked about the dual sleeve garments. The compression is different on the Italian made ones, and there is no graduated compression so it was not suggested for me.

  • o2bhealthy
    o2bhealthy Member Posts: 2,101
    edited March 2011

    I too tried Cookiegal's trick on my truncal LE last night and...amazing!  My Trunc is probably down the most it has ever been and the funky bulge that I thought was my implant bottoming out is gone!  Apparently my implant was fine, the bulge was LE! 

    Bless you Cookie!!!

    Edited to add:  We should have the Lymphedemasleeve people look at this thread, maybe they will be encouraged to jump on the T-shirt/Cammi idea seeing as how just cutting the silverwave and lining a compression garment does wonders...

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited March 2011

    Okay, toomuch and o2be, I'm having trouble picturing this. Are you guys wrapping your Silver Wave around you and wearing a compression bra over that, or are you cutting your Silver Wave up to do this? What direction are you putting the little waves in -- up and down, or back and forth? I want to try this, but don't get it.

    LindaLou, thank you for the update. I hadn't thought of putting another sleeve over the SilverWave. Did you use some kind of donning devise to achieve that?!

    Diamondgirl, thinking of you! Hope the flight was completely uneventful and that your mom is resting well. Let us know how you are when you can grab a moment!

    Be well!
    Binney

  • LindaLou53
    LindaLou53 Member Posts: 929
    edited March 2011

    Binney,  I used my trusty Easy Slide over the SilverWave to pull on my MediVen sleeve over top it.  Works flawlessly, smooth and easy!

  • o2bhealthy
    o2bhealthy Member Posts: 2,101
    edited March 2011

    Binney - I cut the band that goes across the back off and then slit the sleeve up the middle from hand to axillary.  I then sewed the two slit sleeves together at the axillary ends and wrapped the sewn slit sleeves around my back bring the wrist areas together with a safety pin at the cleavage line between my breasts.  This leaves the wave running in a vertical pattern on the back and breast, I then put on my wearease compression vest over the silverwave makeshift band.  I had an old sliver wave sleeve that I was using for yard work and such and decided to cut up the sleeve to try cookiegals trick.  This was last night and the difference this morning was pretty incredible although it would be nice if I could find a way to stop the makeshift band from slipping as I move around...

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited March 2011

    O2be, can you cut the band that used to go across the back to make a couple of straps for it to help hold it in place? Also, a question: if you stitched the two ends together instead of pinning, do you think you could get it over your head (or hips) to get it on? Do the cut edges roll?

    Thanks!
    Binney

  • toomuch
    toomuch Member Posts: 901
    edited March 2011

    BINNEY - I'm still hoping to be able to wear my wave sleeve someday, perhaps use it the way LindaLou did with my compression sleeve on top. So, I didn't cut my sleeve. I only have LE on one side so I turned the sleeve inside out, turned those long cuffs inside and then wrapped the sleeve around me. It fit across my breast twice. I wore my compression bra that opens in front over it and was able to hold it in place while I got the compression bra on. My compression bra is so snug that there was no slippage. The waves were going up and down. I did it as a test to see if it would be worth buying the abdominal band. I am going to buy a large and then cut it to fit inside my wear ease slimmer cami. I spoke to Sue and asked her if she thought I could cut arm holes in the band and she wasn't sure. I'll just have to play with it. Seems like everything with LE is trial and error but I really think we may be on to something here!

  • Springtime
    Springtime Member Posts: 5,355
    edited March 2011

    O2B, isn't that great! Cookie should get a medal!!! :)  I ordered the sleeves and a trunc one that I am going to try around my breast, side, back area. Can't wait to see if it works well for me too...

    Linda Lou, how fascinating your experiments!!!  

  • toomuch
    toomuch Member Posts: 901
    edited March 2011

    Spring - Let us know when you get your band how you use it and how it works for you. Hopefully, by posting our experiences we can help others and convince Sue to have the company make a tee shirt or cami out of the wave fabric!

  • o2bhealthy
    o2bhealthy Member Posts: 2,101
    edited March 2011

    Springtime - Please post back how the band works, I bought one and it was just too tight and the top and bottom band cut into me too much. 

    Binney - I'll have to see how the band works when I get home - I do notice slippage in my bra but not so much in the compression vest... I will report back on all questions once I have more time to observe :)

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited March 2011

    What a hoot! I now have my SilverWave sleeve turned inside out and wrapped around my chest, which is achy and sore from a changing weather pattern here. And I even managed to get my WearEase Slimmer on over it. (LindaLou, help! We need an EasySlide for our bodies!Laughing) It's, uh, interesting. I too shall report in should anything wonderful ensue.

    BinneyUndecided

  • Springtime
    Springtime Member Posts: 5,355
    edited April 2011

    O2B - I will report back on how the band works for the upper chest and back. I measured my boob area and looked at the wave size chart and ordered an XL - we'll see...

  • cookiegal
    cookiegal Member Posts: 3,296
    edited April 2011

    OMG...I just read this thread!!! OMG!!!!!

    I am so glad this works. BTW I used the truncal "Tummy" band, not a sleeve but what ever.

    I did try having a tummy band made into a cami/bra and it is just a little tricky to wear. The straight line across my nodes is akward. 

    However for someone who has a longer torso it might work fine. I had a line of fasteners put up the front and ribbons over the shoulder. 

    I should credit my first old LE whose idea this was. She actually thought it was a tube top initially. There may even be somone out there who can wear it straight up as a tube top.

  • cookiegal
    cookiegal Member Posts: 3,296
    edited April 2011

    Binney....what I did was chop the top band off and left the bottom band on..but I cut it up the middle, and just cut out a boob size chunk. I just stick it in a stretchy bra with the bottom band lined up with the bottom of the bra.

    If I sewed I would try to line one side of a stretchy bra with the fabric. BTW after buying DOZENS of sports bra the Sears "Leisure" bra works well for me. And they just made it in BLACK!

  • cookiegal
    cookiegal Member Posts: 3,296
    edited April 2011

    I will add...I actually misplaced the main part of the band....and even the scraps work. GOD HOW I WISH THIS WORKED ON ARMS THE SAME WAY!!!

  • cookiegal
    cookiegal Member Posts: 3,296
    edited April 2011

    Oh Linda Lou, we have the exact same discoloration on the fingers with the mediven glove. It makes me feel better somehow! Is that a one piece?

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