I Come to the Garden...

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  • mumito
    mumito Member Posts: 4,562
    edited April 2011

    I thank god that I have all of you wonderful ladies to share and chat with.Smile

  • Jwatrlily
    Jwatrlily Member Posts: 211
    edited April 2011

    Even though I don't get here as much as I'd like to, this group has warmed me.  I have a gay daughter and this being a Christian, faith thread/group, I'm sure some of your beliefs are anti gay.  There are these feelings every where but and that is a BIG BUT, you have all let me share about my gay daughter, her African American adopted children and no one has said anything unkind to me about my daughter or her children.  The church I attend is difficult.  After a lengthy evening with the Pastor about that concern, he reassured us she would be accepted there and welcomed with open arms and then after we attended then joined that church, the anti gay comments in our Sunday School class (Pastor teaches this class) and the anti gay sermons from the pulpit on Sunday morning began.  It's difficult.  But, this online group has treated me well when I've wanted to share about my daughter or her children.  I humbly thank you for that.  After finding out about our daughter when she was 23, my husband and I had to do much praying and soul searching because of our Christian walk and beliefs.  What was gleaned from that and much, much prayer, we felt God telling us to love and accept her and leave the rest to him.  So, that's what we've done, we love and accept her and her partner and their friends.  Those kids, our daughter, her partner and their friends, literally soak up the love and attention we give them because the rest of the world rejects them.  I thank all of you for letting me be proud of and love my daughter without telling me she is flawed in some way or that I am for accepting her as she is.

    Hugs,

    Juanita 

  • Meece
    Meece Member Posts: 19,483
    edited April 2011

    She is a lucky girl, and I'll bet she knows it!

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited April 2011

    OMG Juanita!! Your daughter isn't flawed!! It's the people who think it's anti-Christian who are flawed!!

    What the heck difference would sexual orientation matter to whether one is a Christian or not??? BECAUSE I am a Christian is WHY it doesn't matter! That's 1970's thinking.....

  • chabba
    chabba Member Posts: 5,065
    edited April 2011

    As usual Barb you state my thoughts better than I could.

  • Meece
    Meece Member Posts: 19,483
    edited April 2011
  • Eph3_12
    Eph3_12 Member Posts: 4,781
    edited April 2011

    Here's a BIG OLE ((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((((HUG))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))))) for all of you!  Happy Tuesday

  • Eph3_12
    Eph3_12 Member Posts: 4,781
    edited April 2011

    Not quite sure how my font got so big but it's appropriate!

  • Meece
    Meece Member Posts: 19,483
    edited April 2011

    It made me get a huge smile of my face.  Thanks, Sweetie!!!

  • Jwatrlily
    Jwatrlily Member Posts: 211
    edited April 2011

    barbe1958  Cry  you didn't have to agree with me but your words have made my heart soar this morning and caused a few tears to bubble because you can't know how much opposition I get from people.  I have been having an email exchange just this very morning with a member of the church I spoke of in my post and she reminded me about Bible scripture against homosexuality and that we are to "love the sinner but hate the sin" and for the life of me I can't see where my daughter is sinning by living in a monogamous, loving, long term (11 years now) relationship, and raising 3 beautiful children who are truly gifts from God.  How is that sinning?  My daughter accepted Jesus as her Lord and Saviour, and was baptized by full immersion at age 10, believes in Christ and has never shut him out of her life.  How is she sinning?

    My 83 year old Mom who rarely says profound things, said when we told her that her Grand daughter was gay, that she felt the Bible was written as a "pattern to live by" and that it was written with the sure knowledge there would be different things in our lives that we would encounter on our journey here.  She said she felt we were to take the original "pattern" of the Bible teachings and apply them to the times we live in.  If that be the case, my daughter lives in a loving, monogamous relationship (albeit with a person of her same sex) and believes in Christ.  Where is the sin in that?

    Hugs,

    Juanita 

  • Meece
    Meece Member Posts: 19,483
    edited April 2011

    I had a hard time divorcing my abussive ex because he hadn't committed adultery that I knew of.  My pastor helped me realize that every single circumstance isn't necessarily addressed in the Bible, but that doesn't mean it is sinful.  The most important is that we accept Christ and have faith in our God.

  • lynniea
    lynniea Member Posts: 611
    edited April 2011

    I think people can live there life like they want.  But when it come to God it is going to be between you and God.  You have to have to have your own relationship with him.  We live by the Bible and what it say's is the truth.

  • 3jaysmom
    3jaysmom Member Posts: 4,266
    edited April 2011

    what a great conversation this morning, ladies, and thank you for your love and support.

       i absolutely believe we're all called to be different parts of  "the body" and i dunno what part I am now. i used to be a "moth" doing lots of evangelism, etc. active in my big church..

       got divorced ( it was adultery and Abuse) but THAT didn't matter to those in that church! and iwas shunned.

       that shunning taught me a lot about different people, and how i wanted to be non judgmental; and open minded for the rest of my life. i found great strength in knowing it was not the Lord, but people who were called by His name, that were doing it. it also taught me that at anytime, i can be just as wrong in my thinking, as they were in theirs.mine isn't the only story i have heard that way here.

       its' amde me a better Christian, to my thinking, but def. a different type of Christian, for sure. some decisions ive made, i question now, but they're made, others, im happy with..

         this whole BC thing makes you evaluate/ reevaluate/reevaluate your life, doesn't it?

       i find im in "tune
     with Barbe, on most things.. is this a good or bad thing, Barbe??   hahaha

       i just am so sorry that even people who take Christs' name can be so hurtful to others... i agree with Lynneeia, that in the end, we must follow what we feel is right, between us and HE.. or is it HE and us?? either way. He's the one we must answer to in the end...        3jays

  • Meece
    Meece Member Posts: 19,483
    edited April 2011

    Who cares about grammar, 3jays, you are so right it is our personal relationship with God that matters.

    "this whole BC thing makes you evaluate/ reevaluate/reevaluate your life, doesn't it?" 

    You hit the nail on the head there, too.  I don't accept being a doormat like I did before.

  • mbtlcsw01
    mbtlcsw01 Member Posts: 744
    edited April 2011

    Wow, great thread today.  Juanita, I am married to a minister, homeschooled my boys, have had to put two of them in alcohol/drug rehab, one is not married living with his fiance and just had my first grandbaby and my oldest son has turned from God.  My belief system is that we all sin and fall short of the glory of God, and will continue to sin while on this earth, but it does not separate us from the love of God.  I've learned to NEVER judge anyone else.  I am not on the throne, thank God.  We all have our walk with God and He is big enough to deal with all this.  I believe the word that my oldest will return to God.  The son with the baby takes his new family to church every Sunday--a church that teaches the word.  Meece said it so well that BC made me really re-look at my life.  Having kids in rehab does the same thing.  It is humbling, but it makes one more real.  To hell with all those others who judge any of you.  You are wonderful ladies and it has been a pleasure to know you. 

  • Meece
    Meece Member Posts: 19,483
    edited April 2011

    I can't take credit for that quote, Mary, it was 3jays who said it, I was agreeing with her.  I think we could all have a different story of how we fall short, but thankfully we all have the same chapter of salvation.

    My youngest, although he accepted Christ several years ago, has fallen away from regular worship.  I pray that some day he will turn back in the right direction.  

    You ladies rock!!!

  • KAJDerby
    KAJDerby Member Posts: 310
    edited April 2011

    Wow!  We've been travelling and I had a lot of catching up to do this evening!!!  Don't you all just love the springy weather and the birds building their nests????  I love to watch nature!  It teaches me about the love, grace, mercy, caring, and long suffering of our Lord!!

    Meece - So happy, I think, for your good, well kinda good, news!!!!!  Will continue to pray. 

    Glad to hear that so many of you are doing well.  Barbe - you do have a lot on your plate and will continue to pray for your upcoming tests.

    We were out east in CT, ME, and MA this trip.  A lady at a church in CT came to me after the service one night.  She has HER2 with the same scores that I had, but found hers back in 2007.  I asked her if it recurred and when she told me yes, I burst into tears.  I am not usually like that, but she is the first person I have ever spoken to with my kind of cancer and I think it kind of scared me.  She is going through an awful lot, but with such a joyful spirit.

    Since my last treatment, I have been having pain in the front of my shoulder around my port.  Now my arm tingles when it is down below my heart so I have to keep it propped up to sleep.  I also have to sleep propped up on pillows as laying flat causes pain and actually wakes me up.  Has anyone had an experience with this before?  My port is unusual as it does NOT get a blood return.  It is japanese and has a valve in it to stop the back flow of blood into the catheter.  However, after my last treatment the nurse had trouble stopping the bleeding after she pulled the needle out.  Do you ladies think I should see the doctor tomorrow or wait one more day for my chemo appointment on Thursday?

    Well, I've put down enough!!!  Sorry so long winded!!  Pray you all sleep well.

  • lynniea
    lynniea Member Posts: 611
    edited April 2011

    They changed chemo to tomorrow because didn't want me to go to early because of the toxicity level.  Not like I have a lot going on so now my daughter is going with me.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited April 2011

    The bible has been rewritten and simplified over the years. Many interpretations of the very same bible exist. After all, how can we have "honour killings" in one sect and yet our interpretation doesn't allow homosexuality?? Come on!! Also, 2 people reading the same lines will get a different result. It's like killing in the name of religion! Those doing it think it's right. For those of us in Western society, we know that ANY killing is wrong.

    Remember the game "telephone"?

    Nuff said! I just get angry over that topic!

  • Meece
    Meece Member Posts: 19,483
    edited April 2011

    Grace, Good to see you (((hugs)))).  I say you should see the doctor today, in case it may cause a delay in tx tomorrow. 

    Glad to hear you have been out and about.  It is amazing how meeting that woman can affect you.  First you are scared, but then she gives encouragement with her attitude.  Last week I watched a "wedding" show and the bride was a bc survivor.  I burst into tears every few minutes!  BC affects more than breast tissue, our emotions are scarred and super-sensitive as a result as well.

  • mumito
    mumito Member Posts: 4,562
    edited April 2011

    I re4ad an article yesterday in an old Ophra magazine at the gym it was written by a stage 4 cancer patient who has survived 17 yrs since DX. Originally she was told she only had 2 yrs tops.My opinion is that the lord knew she had  much more to do yet. She is a writer.The treatments were rough but after she was able to maintain a quality of life worth living.I will do some research and find out what books she has written.

    Barbe I am in your pocket today((hugs)))

  • Meece
    Meece Member Posts: 19,483
    edited April 2011

    Barbe, I will be in your hair as you get the US today.  I figure I will be able to see everything well from there.  I will also be saying a prayer(s) for you and themedical team.

  • Padiddle
    Padiddle Member Posts: 853
    edited April 2011

    Hello women of faith:  My name is Jean.  I've been away from the boards for months, but felt ready to pop back on and jump in.  The scripture I've been pondering on this week is Romans 12:12 - "Be joyful in hope, patient in affliction, faithful in prayer."  Lots of reading to do to catch up on all that has happened on the boards.  I love the spring and look forward to working in my gardens.  God bless you all this day.  Jean 

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited April 2011

    God Bless you too Jean and welcome back!

    Ladies, I got a call from the Imaging Centre saying they can't do the ultrasound, it has to be done at the hospital. I had a bit of a meltdown at my desk because I waited 3 weeks for this appointment and you're telling me this TODAY???? I called the hospital and had the expected argument about a mammo first. I stuck to my guns explaining the "pea sized lump (as per doc)" is UNDER my arm, so how would that get into a mammo??? I get an ultrasound next Thursday at 11 am.

    Why does everything have to be an argument!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Yell

  • KAJDerby
    KAJDerby Member Posts: 310
    edited April 2011

    Oh Barbe-how very frustrating.



    My chemo nurse next door looked at my port. She is pretty sure it has become dislodged as it moves a lot. She thinks I might have a clot also, so she said to go in the am at my appt time.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited April 2011

    Oh Grace! It never ends, does it??

  • Jwatrlily
    Jwatrlily Member Posts: 211
    edited April 2011

    barbe1958, 

    I'm sorry about this latest stress with your tests.  That just seems inconsiderate to me to have waited until today to let you know!  Praying for you to have great results from the US and that it is nothing.

    3 more radiation tx's.  Woo Hoo.  I am peeling now from the first 25 regular tx's.  And pretty red in the areas of the boosts.  Quite uncomfortable at times and some pain and odd sensations in the breast too.  I go in a little bit and am driving but my sister will ride along.  My car has a sunroof and the temps outside today are 73 so will maybe have to pop that sunroof.

    I'm trying to process all of this and being Triple Negative trying to help myself wrap my head around that yes, the treatment is ending and yes, there is no meds I can take for 5 years like hormone positive BC's, but I have done the full protocol and done everything I possibly could and now it is up to God.  I have to learn to trust in Him and His goodness and mercy.  Most days I can do that but as we all know, there are those other days.........

    Along with all that, I am on the verge of ending a toxic relationship with a friend I have known for 55 years.  She is a person who is self centered and self absorbed and I just can't take the stress of constantly trying to hold her up on the pedestal she has placed herself on her whole life.  Through my BC journey, she has caused me so much stress (demanding for me to constantly call her even after I explained I was the one sick, going through a trauma and she needed to call me) even going so far as sending me cryptic emails about her being ill and when I call her she tells me "oh, I am just so tired when I get home from work."  When all she was wanting was to get attention back on herself. 

    She has constantly made catty, cutting remarks about how I tell my sisters things but not her and she says, "you always said we were like sisters" (which was in her mind) and she wants to constantly scold me for not being what she thinks I should be for her.  I am going through breast cancer, I am not even 100% sure what I should be for myself let alone someone else. 

    There is a long and I mean  L   O   N   G  history here of what any trained person would say was a toxic relationship.  I hate to end it but I am completely wore out now after needing her through this BC journey and her wanting the focus on herself.  If I share with her (because she demands I share with her or I'm being mean, her words) how sick I was through chemo or how much radiation fatigues me and is uncomfortable, she says, "well, I hurt from my arthritis" or she talks about her husbands arthritis. 

    She has told me she prays for me and she thinks I'm strong but then we are right back to her and her life.  My Pastor told me that for now and for a good time to come it is my responsibility to put all the focus on myself and to be selfish and take care of me first, that I am to place myself first, that I am allowed.  Well, I don't entirely do that but, I do see the world a whole lot differently then B. C. before cancer!  I shouldn't even be having to contemplate this.  A lifetime friend should be the last person you think about ending a friendship with.

    She has driven my husband to distraction and while we were estranged 2 times in those 55+ years, we reconciled and my husband has regretted it every since.  She would often visit my house for a weekend visit and announce to me when we'd get in a restaurant and seated that I'd have to pay for her supper, that she didn't have any money then she'd go to Wal-Mart the next day and spend 50-60 dollars!  She showed up at a potluck dinner one Sunday when my daughter was visiting home, empty handed after I had sent her and everyone else a printed invite that it was potluck.  It wasn't an issue of her not having money or food because she was going to a family reunion a few days later and regaled us with what all she was taking to it!!  It just never ends with her.  So, my husband is ready for this relationship to end.  I hope you all don't think I'm being mean by sharing this but maybe some of you have had friends like this or know people like this too.  I've loved her and tried to understand her.  My husband said I'd tried to the point of jeopardizing myself and my health.

    Thanks for listening.  Gotta get ready to go to radiation.  I'm just about there sisters.    

    Hugs,

    Juanita

  • mumito
    mumito Member Posts: 4,562
    edited April 2011

    Thats terrible Barbe  another week of stressing out.Yell

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited April 2011
    Juanita, you are hereby resolved of any guilt to end this toxic relationship!!! Not that I think I am God, but I wanted you to get a quick, clear answer and I think you'll see we all will reply the same. My DH is my BFF. Make your DH your new best friend. Tell him you'd like to go shopping!! Kiss
  • shiny
    shiny Member Posts: 892
    edited April 2011

    juanita,

    barbe knows me, and i have just logged on for a few minutes here, before a very early bedtime, but just wanted to concure with dear Barbe, and add GUILT IS OPTIONAL and based on what you have written, yesterday isn't early enough for riding yourself of this "frienship"- lifes too short and that kind of negative stress is bad for you. take care.

    Barbe!! I know I have been whooped and away alot, but didn't catch your ultra sound test was coming up. hang in there! ugh..the waiting, grrr. take care of you daaaling.

    thanks for letting me pop in.

    night all

    Shiny

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