February 2011 chemo pals

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  • thefuzzylemon
    thefuzzylemon Member Posts: 2,630
    edited April 2011

    Good morning everyone!!  I am so sorry for being away for so long....but catching up on everyone has been very helpful!  I had a terrible week (still dealing with the SE's, but better today) and have been pecking (cluck, cluck) away at getting caught up!  This last round has given me much worse abdomen issues, nosebleeds, sleeping problems, and ... as bad as I don't want to say it ... depression.  All of that on top of all the regular crappiness!  But, round four of AC is done...on to 12 weeks of Taxol...12 weeks??? Ugh...just thinking about it gives me that nasty alcohol taste when they flush that port...does anyone else get that?  Just by thining about it??

    Today is a better day and I hope with all my hopes that everyone is feeling well!!

  • sukie10
    sukie10 Member Posts: 96
    edited April 2011

    TN recommended dietary changes are 5 servings of fruit and veggies daily, low fat, reduction of complex carbs, adding vitamins and minerals including folic acid, vitamin d, calcium, and omega 3 fatty acids. avoid caffeine and watch calorie limits. This regime can apparently reduce risk by 30%. Its all we have left for treatment ideas after radiation. But as healthy as I thought I ate before this is much more strict. (I liked pasta, chocolate and coffee) (sigh) I'd like to be cancer free even more.

  • christina1961
    christina1961 Member Posts: 736
    edited April 2011

    Sukie,

    Reduction of complex carbs?  I'm trying so hard to cut out sugar - it is really difficult for me as I have a real sweet tooth but I still haven't given up the fruit juices and all fruit fruit leathers - I guess those ought to go out the window, too as if I'm understanding it correctly, the surges in blood sugar are to be avoided?  I'm trying to keep fat grams under 35 - I never realized how much fat I ate even though I don't eat any meat except fish, shrimp.  I got an Iphone application that helped me track fat grams, fiber, etc.  I followed my diet for about a week and I was amazed!  I am still drinking one large cup of coffee daily and had ice tea today, too.  Guess I need to cut out one or the other.

  • christina1961
    christina1961 Member Posts: 736
    edited April 2011

    Special K,

    I have gotten a couple of books from Amazon on low fat diets for cancer survivors.  One of the most interesting things I learned from reading one of these books (and I think Neal Barnard MD is one of the coauthors - can't think of the name of the book right now and it is at home - I'm supposed to be working at my office! LOL) - was that fiber is very important to carry away any hormones circulating in our bodies - if we don't eat enough fiber, hormones and other toxins deposited in the bile ducts recirculate rather than get carried off with the fiber. So...I've definitely increased my fiber - which the low fat diet does automatically.  I am trying for 40 grams of fiber, 35 or less grams of fat, 50 grams or less of sugar daily - I eat a lot of beans, veggies, fruits, changed my cereal choices dramatically from granolas (high fat) to plain shredded wheat or oatmeal.  I eat bean tacos almost every day with just a tiny bit of cheese and lots of lettuce, pico de gallo and hot sauce (except the first week after chemo- no hot sauce then :-).)  This has also helped me get through chemo so far without laxatives.

  • christina1961
    christina1961 Member Posts: 736
    edited April 2011

    The fuzzy lemon - yes to the nasty alcohol taste!  I hope things go much better with the taxol! 

  • sukie10
    sukie10 Member Posts: 96
    edited April 2011

    I still drink some fruit juice and eat fruit. I gave up white bread, pasta and adding any sugar to anything. I figure some natural sugars must be okay since fruits are so important on the list. I drank a lot of coffee before, now a couple of cups a week. I switched to green tea for its antitoxidants. Surges in blood sugar were high on the list so small meals often is the best way to avoid irregular insulin levels. It's going to be a hard diet change long term thats for sure. I just practice at it everyday and hope it will slowly become habit to make the right choices without having to feel so deprived. Some things are actually getting easier, some are not. 

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited April 2011

    The hardest thing for me to give up is caffeine (coffee) as it is my one remaining vice.  I had reflux surgery about 15 years ago and alcohol gives me high stomach pain so I drink only rarely, and only with food.  I have never smoked and have managed my weight fairly successfully over the years.  The last few times I wanted to drop vanity pounds before some kind of event (like a high school reunion!) I used the South Beach diet.  It is low-glycemic, mediterranean based, lean protein, lots of veggies, and later in the program you add in low-glycemic fruit and whole grains.  It sounds pretty close to what you are doing.  I had a colonoscopy a few years ago and the doc recommended at least 35 grams of fiber a day.  I naturally gravitate to fruit and vegetables and have never been much of a protein eater, but I do like pasta and the occasional dessert!  What can I say?  I want to do everything I can to prevent a recurrence but I guess you have to have a splurge every now and then.  I just bought the David Servan-Schreiber book Anti-Cancer, A New Way of Life but I haven't read it yet.

  • dogeyed
    dogeyed Member Posts: 884
    edited April 2011

    Fuzzy, SOOOO glad to see you!!!  I'm happy you are well enough to peek in on us and love your new avatar.  Really neat with the colorful bubbles, great contrast with the black bird, and then your nickname!  How cool is that!  I need a logo change, to be sure, perhaps to my actual visage. 

    Food intake discussion:  Folks, I was a vegetarian (ovo-lacto) for around 15 years, but that went right out the window when I started with this chemo.  My protein standbys didn't taste right to me, in particular cashews, brother and I both have a can of those next to where we lay on couch in our respective homes.  But I want you to know that Hardees chili hotdogs with onions made my heart sing.

    Report on AC Chemo #4:  Talk about suffering, I was singing my own song about chemo this morning, part of it went, "When I sit down, it hurts from my neck to the ground."  The pain started in my shoulders last night and really hurt this morning, typical for Day 4 out of chemo.  I just touch the muscles and sore sore sore, but doc doubled my percocet stuff, now just feel like.... well.... crap. 

    Once again, was SO glad to come here, woke up too early, and find familiar sweet voices humming and chatting along, all of us hanging onto each other for dear life.  GG 

  • thefuzzylemon
    thefuzzylemon Member Posts: 2,630
    edited April 2011

    Good morning GG - AC#4 was wicked!!  I am 8 days past it and this is the first morning that I woke up without being in some kind of agony from SE's!!  Definitely lasted way longer than the other 3 treatments but I may be on the right side of it now!  Thank you for making me chuckle right away this morning ... the hotdog made your heart sing *L* ... I just really thought that was so cute.

    One of the sisters on the OMG thread posted that picture that I'm using as an avatar and I fell in love with it!!  Thank you for commenting on it...I'm pretty sure that's going to be the tatoo I use to reclaim my territory (I've decided after reconstruction, I will be covering with a very personal message....these boards and my new friends mean so much to me...all part of the journey and I want to carry all of it with me ... )  That might be a little TMI...but this time next year, I'll be sporting my first ever tat!

  • M1nn1e
    M1nn1e Member Posts: 33
    edited April 2011

    Hi Ladies!      3rd of 4 TC tomorrow

    Will be in the chair tomorrow. Treatment 3 of 4 TC (Taxotere/Cytoxin). Only one more after that, can't wait to finish!

    Some of you have questions about Tacotere, so I'll share my experience with it.

    I haven't had any nausea with it, so that's a plus.

    My nails do feel sore so I ice them. You can bring peas to chemo.

    Days 3-6 are the worst as far as being tired and bone pain. My onc cut my neulasta dose in half from 6mm to 3mm and it's been much easier! Can manage with just Alleve,

    No neuropothy so far. Fingers crossed! No pun intended 

    Had a rash on my hands, had to go in to have it looked at onc said it was ok and just use cortizone cream. It goes away after a few days. 

    Taste buds are shot the first two weeks, they come back the third week. 

    Any hair that's trying to grow back with fall out again, ugh!

    Had Sinus problems, onc said to take Caritin D.

    Overall not as bad as I thought it would be, but do get very tired and need naps the first two weeks.

    Good luck to all you girls doing Taxotere, It's very doable. xoxo 

  • jenn_h
    jenn_h Member Posts: 149
    edited April 2011

    I applaud you ladies who are trying to eat healthy...In the beginning of the year I was dieting and lost 20 lbs (come to find out it was so easy due to the BC beast), since the daignosis I think I have allowed myself the mindset that as I have cancer I can eat and buy anything I want...not a very good mindset. I have gained back a few pounds and really need to get motivated to get back to the healthy eating and the exercising too!

    Thur. is Taxol #1, I am still a little nervous, I guess mostly about the fingers and toes ( I already have some slight neuropathy), the possible allergic reaction, and the fact that I prob. wont sleep for 5 days with all the decadron they are pumping into me...but thx Sara for the idea to check out the AC to Taxol thread...feeling a little better about things...

  • Melanie_Ann
    Melanie_Ann Member Posts: 414
    edited April 2011

    Fuzzylemon! I haaaaate the taste of my PORT being flushed. I want to throw up thinking about it. UGh! I had round 4 last Tuesday and I'm still miserable. I have constant chest pain. I'm not sure what's going on. I thought it was indigestion but I've taken all prescribed meds for that with no relief. I should probably call the on-call nurse. I hate to do that though. Ugh...I'm miserable.

    Hope everyone else is feeling well. It makes me feel better just to know that others know exactly what I'm going through. =)

  • lorenar
    lorenar Member Posts: 141
    edited April 2011
    Hi Ladies.  Melanie-Ann: I finished round 4 on 3/18 and had several days of chest pains, figured out it was between my nerves and steroids during chemo. Have been taking ativan this round and no chest pain . I feel ya girl its no picnic. soon it will get better for us all. Sorry I havent posted. I was car shopping for days. We had a ptcruiser an 01 and was gettting to rob us with parts so we traded for a 00 subaru outback. lovin it. wore myself out and feet and legs still ache, Just finished watchin army wives love that show. About to head for sleeptime. I get so frustrated now when before I had so much energy now its like going to walmart takes away my day, but I keep pushing on. Hope you ladies have a nice Monday. For you with treatmentss In my prayers as well as you with side effects. Love ya my girls.
  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited April 2011

    m1nn1e - sounds like you are hanging in and you have got it all down!  Very good!  Good luck tomorrow, then just 1 more!  Yay!

    jenn - you will do fine.  It always seems like the anticipation makes it seem worse than it is.  Will they give you Benadryl on the day of?  If they do it will hopefully control an allergy along with the steroid.  I had a body rash after the last tx so now I have to do the before and after steroid too.  I think the rash was from an antibiotic but they won't let me slide so I will stay awake for 5 days and clean my house or something!

    melanie - at my center they said to hold your nose when they flush the port, like put your fingers on your nose and squeeze and hold your breath, and you wont get that taste as much.  It seems to work, or possibly they are faking me out and I am falling for it.  Is it possible that your chest pain is coming from some edema?  For the first few days after tx I get a lot of random pains around my trunk/chest.  It takes about a week for it to calm down.  Lately I have noticed my hands and calves are retaining water too.

    lorenar - I have to begin a car hunt too!  I went out today for the first time in several days, it was 90 degrees and the air conditioner went out in the car!  We had been talking about trading this one in (a '04 Pacfica) for the last couple of weeks, so now the decision is made for sure if it is anything other than some freeon to charge up the air.  I was most unhappy :(    My best friend in CA has driven Subaru Outbacks for years and won't drive anything else.  I enjoy Army Wives too but being a military wife myself I sometimes have to laugh at the way they portray some of it!  Some of it is spot on, but some is totally not!

    Hugs to everyone this week!

  • pejkug3
    pejkug3 Member Posts: 902
    edited April 2011

    Busy week here - my kindergarten twin sons are home from school all week so their teacherss can use the classrooms for orientation of the next class of kindergarteners.  Should be interesting.  :)

    I've slept away most of the weekend, so I'm determined to get something done around here despite my two little helpers.

    My teen daughter is unbearable to live with...growly, mean, nasty, lazy...ugh.

    My 11 year old son is a peach.  :)

    I finally see the surgeon on Tuesday to discuss the blue/green nipple discharge.  I saw a ob/gym doc on Friday and he didn't even want to see it.  His attitude is that I'm already doing chemo/rads - what else could he do?  Um, ease my anxiety about it?!  Tell me it can be explained?!  *sigh*

    My tummy is already acting up about TCH #3 that was on Thursday.  I caved and took the Compazine even though I don't think it's really nausea.  More pain, that makes me want to puke.  ;)

    Good Luck to everyone that will be in the chair this week!  One step closer to DONE!!!

  • crog234
    crog234 Member Posts: 801
    edited April 2011

    Going this afternoon for #2 Taxol.  I will be 1/2 through Taxol after today..  Not that I am counting or anything!!!!! 

     Thinking and sending best wishes for all who are having treatments this week and hoping the SE's will be minimal for all.

    Cindy

  • EmilyInOntario
    EmilyInOntario Member Posts: 626
    edited April 2011

    Taxotere Day 11 Cycle 1/3 ( FEC 3/3 completed)

    Just checking in. How is everyone doing? My terrible lower leg pain subsided Saturday and my energy level is starting to improve. Taste buds still are really off but I think the worst is behind me for this round..I hope. Red patches on the back of my hands and a rash on the back of my neck but that's about it.

  • ruffy
    ruffy Member Posts: 141
    edited April 2011

    Good afternoon:) just finished first taxol - I was terrified and shed a few tears but I made out fine with no allergic reaction. Just a question anout the L Glutamine. Can I get that just at any pharmacy? Or do I need to go somewhere special? Also how many or much do I take a day.same question about B6. Totally forgot to ask my onc and yesterday when I was out I got a bit overwhelmed and gave up and came

    home.

    Thanks ladies, thinking of you all! We're really making progress, let's all be good to ourselves, we deserve it.

    Sara

  • mamaoftwo
    mamaoftwo Member Posts: 267
    edited April 2011

    Ruffolo- I am told 50 mg/day of B6.  L Glutamine powder is available at health food stores but it might be cheaper at GNC. It's sold for body builders, which is a funny thought that we could bulk up the muscles during chemo.

    I am almost certain to be skipping the last EC dose and going to Taxol on Thursday because the EC is causing recurrent throat infections after each dose.  I'm on my second round of antibiotics since I started chemo.  She thinks it might be mucositis.  I am so relieved to have a diagnosis, and have to admit that I am relieved to miss the last of the EC doses.

  • Braveheart
    Braveheart Member Posts: 66
    edited April 2011

    Hi girls, a few days ago I finished my last AC! I'm so happy!!! My 3rd one was hell but the last one was surprisingly easy. The only thing that I did differently is that I forced myself to drink a lot of water. I can't stand regular water because it tastes horrible. I mixed sport water with regular water and was able to drink a lot more. I hope this helps someone. I know the sick feeling is just unbearable.

    I'm a bit worried about Taxol. I'll start my 1st one in few days. I'm doing it dose dense. Any advice? Praying for each of my sisters. Sending you love.Kiss

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited April 2011

    Ruffolo - the L Glutamine comes in a powder form, you can probably find it at a vitamin store.  You need 30g a day.  I would break it up into 10g 3 times a day.  On mine a teaspoon is 5g, so 2 teaspoons.  I mix it with hot tea and I can't taste it.  I tried to mix it in applesauce on tx#1 and it was blechhh!  50mg (1 capsule) of B6 is enough and 500 mg of L Acetyl Carnitine (1 capsule) also.

    Emily - your taste may come back right before the next tx.  Figures, right?  That  is what happened to me on tx#1.  I have not noticed as much loss of taste on subsequent, but still had some.

    Yay Cindy!  Half-way through!

    Mamaoftwo - Bummer about the throat!  I got a UTI on tx#2 and had to take antibiotic.  I got a body rash and now they are not sure if it was the antibiotic or the Taxotere that I was allergic to!  Now I have to do the steroid dance before, during and after the next tx.

    Yay Braveheart!  Done with AC!  Not familiar with SE from dose dense but I think there is a possibility the SE are milder because you are not receiving as large a dose at a time.  I think the cumulative nature is still in play, but immediate SE not as bad?  I think there is an AC to Taxol thread, you could check.

  • charlottesmama
    charlottesmama Member Posts: 250
    edited April 2011

    Hi Feb Gals! Can you believe it's April already? I almost ran over a robin a few days ago. LOL! It was so warm today, a record breaker, apparently. I got some overdue chores done, but I gotta tell you, I was SO fatigued! I rarely feel tired, and didn't experience any fatigue during chemo, but WHOA! Today was bad. If only my kiddo would settle down and go to sleep. I guess the SEs can catch up with you even after chemo is done.

    I'm following those of you who haves moved on the Taxol/Taxotere. My situation seems unusual. I have surgery "sandwiched" between A/C and Taxol. Anyone else do this? My Onc. said they will determine whether I must do Taxol after surgery when they read the mastectomy pathology report. Wish I knew now so I could brace myself fo 2 more months.

    On the bright side, I think I have some baby bird feathers on my head! I'm SO tired of being bald, and having to be "brave" about it. But when I examine my head (which I do obsessively), I see some fine hairs about 1/2 inch long. I had my head buzzed down to 1/8 inch and don't think the buzzer would have missed anything. Maybe it's just wishful thinking. And if I have to do Taxol post-surgery, it will all fall out again. Shit.

    My surgery is scheduled for May 3 and I'm already really anxious about it. I've just never had such a seriously huge proceedure. Other women look at me and ask, "What about childbirth?" Um, well, I adopted my babygirl in China, and would happily fly the full circumference of the globe again before going through childbirth! That's how squeamish I am! Sheesh. I'm pathetic.

    It's a windy night. Hopefully we'll  get a thunder storm (grown adults here call them "thunder-boomers"). I'm so pleased to read that everyone is doing so well, even the ladies who have had a rough time seem to be rallying. YAY Y'ALL! Hang in there. I'll probably be crying on your shoulders after surgery.

    Peace and Love.

    Michelle 

  • NeyNey
    NeyNey Member Posts: 33
    edited April 2011

    #2 Taxol under the belt!  10 more to go!   So far I have had less SE's with the Taxol...fatigue and bone/joint pain is what I experienced last treatment.  My sweet chemo nurse reduced the Benedryl amount since I entertained everyone around me last week with my "buzz".  Slept right through the treatment today only to have to go to the bathroom....fluids....

    I have a rash that has appeared on my incisions from my bmx (red hive-looking with a knot) , the NP said it shouldn't be taxol it would be spread all over my chest not just incisions and have an appointment tomorow to meet with the surgeon to get her observations.  It seems weird to me that it appeared only 3 days post-taxol and has been fine for 3 months following the surgery with a visit to the surgeon only a week before the chemo with a passing report! I just don't want it to stay that way!!!!

    So far for me the Taxol is much better....my EC kept me in bed in fetal position for about 5-6 days before I could function...So far so good! 

  • Melanie_Ann
    Melanie_Ann Member Posts: 414
    edited April 2011

    I ended up going to see the ONC this morning about my chest pain. It was blinding at times, so my mom finally made me call him. At first he was thinking reflux or anxiety as usual, but I took all my meds as he requested with no relief. So he brought me in today. Was concerned it possibly could be PE although he doubted it. So I had an echo and CT. Everything was Normal! YAY! And it's good to know that my heart is still very healthy. So now he thinks it's probably esophagitis or costochondritis....so he told me to take Tylenol. Which I did this evening and have felt suprisingly better. haha...those were some expensive tests to go through, and then try Tylenol. Geeez oh well. I feel better knowing it's nothing life threatening.

    I had my blood counts checked today too and they are close to zero again. I've felt much more fatigued this time, and of course nauseated. I try everything for nausea but it is relentless with me. 2 more times...2 more times. I just have to keep telling myself that now. It's so bad now sometimes that when I even think about where I ate after chemo, I get really nauseated. I almost threw up in the car today driving past Panera. Now, I know some of this is psychological but ohhhh I can't wait until it's over.

    Ok my whining is over. I hope everyone's treatments go well this week! Yay for those that are almost done!

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited April 2011

    Michelle - I am glad the robin got out of the way!  I rememebr living in Rome, NY and seeing the first robin of the spring was pretty exciting.  Then it would always snow one more time, right after everyone's bulbs bloomed!  I think your chemo situation is cautious.  It makes more sense to see that path report and then decide, but it does stretch out the hair thing and SE thing possibly.  Maybe we can all send you some positive waves so that you won't need the Taxol and after your surgery you will be done!  Surgery will be like chemo - anticipation is worse than the event, you will see.  You will be just fine.

    NeyNey - I got the same kind of rash on my incision line just before chemo and only on the side where I lost my TE.  It had been fine but developed a rash after I wore a bra.  I had not been wearing one but I went to two social functions in the same day so I wore a bra with a prosthetic on that side for about 12 hours.  It was a stubborn rash that just now went away with some topical from the dermatologist.  Weird!  High on Benadryl - you are funny!

    Melanie - I wonder if you were having esophogeal spasms.  They feel like a heart attack or very acute pain right in the center of your chest.  I had reflux for many years and finally had surgery to correct the problem, but I never had heartburn like most people who reflux.  I experienced sharp chest pain which they explained was spasms from acid coming up.  They could see it happen on one of the diagnostic tests.  If you have had a lot of nausea and stomach problems that might be what it is.  I have to pass a Panera coming out to the main road from my neighborhood - now I am going to laugh every time I pass it!

  • Melanie_Ann
    Melanie_Ann Member Posts: 414
    edited April 2011

    SpecialK- You know, it might be spasms. I think that would make sense b/c it's almost like a intense throbbing for a few seconds and then subsides until the next time. I had an upper GI and scope done about 8-9 years ago b/c I already had really bad reflux at an early age, but nothing like this. Hopefully I'll get another one when I'm done with all my treatments so they can assess the damage. I really feel like chemo is affecting my GI system more than anything else. I am glad to know though it's not my heart.

  • ruffy
    ruffy Member Posts: 141
    edited April 2011

    Thanks special k, I'm going to go out today and get stocked up. I have to say with taxol I'm not missing the nausea at all!!! I hope the bone pain isnt too bad, I'm feeling positive and sending out positive thoughts to all us feb girls!

  • crog234
    crog234 Member Posts: 801
    edited April 2011

    Had my 2nd Taxol yesterday.  Today I am doing fine and I am sure it is from the steroids I recieved.  Last time I didn't feel anything until the 3rd day.  Last time on my left foot I had what felt like a toenail was trying to come through the skin (like you would get if you cut your toenails to short).  It only lasted 1 day and overnight but boy that was so sore it would wake me up during the night.  Now on my right foot on my heel I don't know what happened.  My heel and the back part of my foot got very red and dry and then towards the end I could see where I had a blister on the side of the foot back near the heal.  I could not walk on it as it felt like if I had chipped a bone, broken something. This lasted for over a week.  I had to walk on the toes as I could put no pressure on my heel Of course I knew I had not broken anything.  I told the Doctor but she had never heard of it happening to anyone before and told me to keep it moisturised and see what happens.  I do know that taking ibiproffin seemed to help. 

    I called the radiologist today as she asked me to when I found out when my last Chemo will be (which is May 9th but whos counting).  She has set me up to go in on May 24 for my mapping and then I will find out my sehedule.  The way I figure it I will be through Radiation by the end of July...  Again not that I am counting!!!!!

     Will be thinking of all having treatments this week and hoping the go smoothly and few SE's.

     Cindy

  • thefuzzylemon
    thefuzzylemon Member Posts: 2,630
    edited April 2011

    Hello all!!  Just wanted to mention...I am returning to work tomorrow...I will be on the boards as often as I can, but unfortunately it won't be like it has been for the past few months...sad, sad day.  I will be able to read the discussions but replying is trickier from my phone.  Oh wish me luck...I do not feel ready to go back...but my time has come...HUGS!!!

  • EmilyInOntario
    EmilyInOntario Member Posts: 626
    edited April 2011

    Awwwwwwwwwwwww..we'll miss you Fuzzy...hope you can catch up with us in the evenings?

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