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  • judyfams
    judyfams Member Posts: 148
    edited April 2011

    I too have changed my eating and lifestyle.  I do take BioResaponse DIM - 2 capsules per day - each capsule is 150mg.  It is a supplement that is equivalent to eating many pounds of cruciferous veggies each day, and has other benefits too.  You can Google the name and go to their website. 

    I also read an article that taking a baby aspirin 3-5X per week (not daily) may help prevent recurrence of breast cancer - so I do that as well as the Vit. D, calciun, multi,  organic veggies, exercise, less red meat etc.

     I am also taking Fareston which is not an Aromatase Inhibitor, but acts like the Tamoxifen and has less severe side effects than the Tamoxifen.  So far I've had no problems with it.  Very few people have heard of it and I did start a discussion here about it and found that the women who replied also had no problem tolerating it either.

    Breast cancer is a complicated disease that is environmental, biological, lifestyle related, food related, geographic, socio-economic and race related.  I wish the ACS would do more about find the Preventive!  I would rather my daughter and granddaughters know how to prevent it instead of hoping to cure it!!!!!!!

  • FireKracker
    FireKracker Member Posts: 8,046
    edited April 2011

    I say it over and over again...we need a vacine...end of rant.Ruth ill meet you at the bonfire.i have way too many anger issues with this dam bc.

    now im looking for shampoo,hairspray,hair gel.everyday i think of something else.

  • SuebeeBC
    SuebeeBC Member Posts: 1,256
    edited April 2011

    Ruth I was just saying that tonight with my BFF....Im 5'5", 118, exercise and great diet....no fast food and lots of blueberries until I am pooping blue and I am the one????  WTH????  and no family history...did I mention that?  UGH  Bonfire away!!!

    Granny - Im sorry I hope you find one then.  I often go to the health food stores where you can buy one hot cup of tea like at a bar with other beverages....perhaps you can try around.  I still find the jasmine white very mild...perhaps a tea shop can show you some too.  The white tea is easily overcooked...the water cant come to a boil.

  • TonLee
    TonLee Member Posts: 2,626
    edited April 2011

    Granny,

    I'm not a huge fan of green tea hot anymore.  But I suggest the following recipe for a nice glass of iced.

    3-4 bags green tea

    quart of boiling water

    Seep the bags for at least 30 minutes

    Mix in a container with:

    1 tsp almond extract

    1 squeezed lemon

    sweetener (splenda, truvia, sugar, whatever you like) to taste

    pour over ice and enjoy!

    The almond extract knocks out the green tea taste completely.  I use more than 1 tsp  because I really like the contrast of lemon and almond.

  • FireKracker
    FireKracker Member Posts: 8,046
    edited April 2011

    Toni---Splenda is one of the big no nos.i think ill try it with either the agava or the raw brown sugar.how long can you keep it in the refrig?

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited April 2011

    grannydukes ~ If you really dislike green tea, maybe try a supplement.  I drink mostly white tea and also African Rooibos (red) tea, which is also high in antioxidants.   But I also take Paradise Green Tea Extract, recommended by my primary doc.  If you don't warm up to the taste of green tea, you might want to try it as a supplement.  But I'm so impressed with the changes you've made!  You're doing great!!!   Deanna   

  • FireKracker
    FireKracker Member Posts: 8,046
    edited April 2011

    Thanks Deanna---you know its been such a struggle for me not doing the ALs.but i feel great now that im 75% off the chocolate.gosh what a difference it made.and im doin the DIM every other day.Thank GOD my stomach is doin good.Im also eating black licorice every day as the pharm.said thats also good.

    I am playing with different green teas...if i put the brown raw sugar/agava/honey and cinamon i can actually drink it but not every day.you told me it takes a long time so im tryin to do it real slow.i just cannot gain any weight.this food is so unfattening.

    thanks for all your help walking me through this safe journey.hugs and God bless K

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    judyfams,

    being a daughter of a BC patient-- I would agree that Prevention horn should be touted loud and clear to everyone... female friends, female co workers, grandaughters , nieces, cousins, sisters..

    however, you know when my mother and I tried to teach my SIL on how to prevent it for herself and my niece-- she dismissed it -- considering she is already part of our family.. she still did not make serious effort to prevent it..

    I also know that some people find us "stupid" for buying organic veggies instead of the normal ones as it can be quite expensive..

    sometimes, I thought all we can do is pray-- not only for our sisters to listen and take it seriously that our government also make conscious effort to prevent environmental toxins getting into our food supply, the air we breath, our work places --bus, trains, roads..

    haaa.. 

  • FireKracker
    FireKracker Member Posts: 8,046
    edited April 2011

    most of my friends think im way over the top with this....one very good friend even said TAKE THE DAMN PILL AND STOP MAKIN YOURSELF NUTS.Not me..After having migraines all my life i gave up the beef and dairy and bingo they are gone...hey what does that tell you???????I have a long way to go but i know im gonna get there

    i just love this thread.thanks everyone.keep all this wonderful info coming.we need to be aware...luv my sistas.hugggs K

  • Sherbear
    Sherbear Member Posts: 215
    edited April 2011

    Grannydukes~ Have you tried Matcha green tea powder?  I use it quite a bit and it's actually a higher quality than bags of tea AND the great thing is that you mix it with just a little bit of water and quickly sip it.  Doesn't taste great, but there's so little that you don't have to force it down.  It's not cheap, by you don't use a lot of it, a little goes a long way and if you buy the little bamboo whisk for it, it mixes it better than a spoon.  I also add it to my smoothies.  Just an idea.  And red (rooibo's) tea as mentioned before is great too, high in anti-oxidants and some of the ones I have are high in magnesium as well which helps with muscle pain.  I have the green tea supplements as well, but was told to make sure to take them with food as they can be hard on the liver.  Good luck!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    Hello all,

    grannyduke - was reading most enlightening thread and yours popped out re: licorice - am also ER+ and wary of phytoestrogens.  Found this:

    Pharmaceutical companies routinely travel to the jungles to seek native cures. They modify traditional herbal remedies to create prescription drugs. One such example is digoxin that is derived from a traditional Irish tea and the fox glove plant. Many herbs, foods and spices have estrogen activity as well as progesterone activity. In general, if a people group has been eating a particular food for centuries and have relatively small amounts of estrogen linked diseases, the food is safe to consume in reasonable quantities. Herbs that Suppress Breast Cancer Cell Growth Zava, PhD found that Mandrake, Bloodroot, and Juniper stunted the growth of BOTH estrogen receptor positive breast cancer cells and estrogen receptor negative breast cancer cells. Saliva estradiol results also showed very low estradiol in women taking the Chinese herb Dong Quai. It is thought that Dong Quai suppresses estradiol synthesisAvoid Coffee, Decaffeinated Coffee, and Beer. Avoid Sunflower Seeds, Red Clover Tea, Camomille Tea, Alfalfa Sprouts, Queen Anne's lace (wild carrot), Pomegranate, Fennel,Licorice, Red Clover, Yucca, Hops (Beer) and Motherwort. Avoid Phytoestrogens that block and interfere with the action of Natural Progesterone. Avoid Bloodroot, Ocotillo, Mandrake, Oregano, Damiana, Pennyroyal, Verbenna, Nutmeg, Tumeric, Yucca, Thyme, Calamus rt., Red Clover, Goldenseal, Licorice, Mistletoe, Cumin, Fennel, Camomille, Cloves.

    DAMN, just found out that the Fennel seed tablet which I've been taking to up my RBC is also a no no

    Coffee:  I DON'T CARE, not giving up my one and only cup

    Did not mean to confuse things......Foot in mouth

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    Luan,

    thanks for this- Turmeric is in the avoid list? this is the first time I came across this, but will read on..

    about Lignans-- lignans is prescribed by our endocrinologist depending on whether your 2OH/16OH ratio is less than 2 or greater than 2

    if less than 2 , then I3C/DIM all cruciferous vegetables are recommended

    if greater than 2, lignans are recommended

    read here

    one more thing to note if the ratio is greater than 2.8 = you have higher risk of esteoporis..

    so the idea is finding a balance..

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    hmm, also I love COFFEE-- I am not giving it either heheh

  • mnmom
    mnmom Member Posts: 2,068
    edited April 2011

    Luan,

    call me confused but doesn'tt your post say bloodroot stunted the growth in one part & not to take it in another????

    Is it my chemo brain that is seeing this?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    about turmeric, thyme and oregano-- these actually produce natural progesterone.. so for those who are highly ER+ and low PR, this is recommendable..

    however, in the rare cases that you are high PR and low ER, then I think, the reverse is true-- avoid turmeric, thyme and oregano

    I think what the study says is that unopposed or unchallenged estrogen is bad.

    turmeric, thyme and oregano interfers with estradiaol synthesis-- because it has natural progresterone..

    this is what nature has designed it to be-- for hormones to balance each other..

    so I would agree luan, that even for alternative treatments-- we need the wisdom given by diagnostic tests.. we cannot haphazardly eat pomegranate just because it is on sale-- or just because it has anti cancer benefits.

    now I have so much respect for TCM which advocates Yin/Yang the balance of everything..

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited April 2011

    Count me in with the 'Living Dangerously By Drinking Coffee' crowd.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    now I remember, when my mother was going through her 42 day fast, I read about the Breuss protocol which requires that the patient drink alkaline juice with a lot of tea made from thyme..

    however, in the Philippines, we do not have a lot of supply of thyme, so instead my mother was asked to drink a lot of turmeric tea instead..made from fresh yellow ginger.

    now its making sense to me-- why turmeric replaced thyme in the Breuss protocol that my mother went through-- she is ER+ (90%) and PR- ..

    I picked something from you luan-- turmeric has natural progesterone.. hmmm

  • FireKracker
    FireKracker Member Posts: 8,046
    edited April 2011

    every time i change the damn diet something popps up

    im now listening to my onc.she said fish oil.dim.d.multi.probiotic,calcium.period.

    as for the food.yea im reading labels but im sooooo confused.

    my first BS who was such a jerk told me just stay away from soy.period.nothing else.

    yes no.this is good.no its nottake the pill.dot take it.WTF.im tryin sooo hard but im sooooo mixed up.im not givin up my ensure yet...ill starve.damn this bc sure does suk

  • MariannaLaFrance
    MariannaLaFrance Member Posts: 777
    edited April 2011

    Ruthbru-

    I am right there with ya on the coffee intake! I consider coffee in the morning one of the finer joys in life, and just have not had the courage to leave it behind. I did go without caffeine one time in my life- during my first pregnancy-- and have not wanted to do it ever since! I just love it!

    So, I do have wine every once in awhile (used to have it way more often!), and coffee, and sugar (once in awhile). I am trying to maintain a moderation approach!

    I figure if 6 days a week I eat gluten free, dairy free, and sugar free, then the 7th day, I can have a treat!  

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited April 2011

    I think moderation is the key. You need to do things, eat things, drink things you enjoy. Just be moderate, and then forget about it. If we stress about every single morsel of food or drop of liquid we ingest....well, we will have a heart attack or stroke from all the worry and be dead anyway.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    ruthbru and all,

    when my mother and I started buying organic food last Feb 2010, it was really difficult, we have to literally comb the whole of Singapore to find organic produce..

    by October 2010-- it seems we have settled into a decent routine and my mother's diet is fairly simple to follow-- specially since she eats a lot of raw veggies/fruits, it requires no cooking..

    as a family we decided to support her by eating what she eats--so she does not have to see us eating a crispy fried chicken while she is munching on greens..

    however, since I am working, I still eat crispy friend chicken :) -- as long as she does not see me..

    if we ever eat out, we make sure there is something for her or she would bring her own sald in a small lunch box-- she also told me that now her pallete is used to the "rabbit" diet.. yes, she calls it rabbit diet..Laughing

    we also visited a few local farms here producing local organic veggies, one of them delivers the produce to us every Friday..

    now it does not sound so complicated anymore..even a few of my friends asked for the contact details of the local farmers we order our food from..

    we also have a checklist of food to eat and not to eat (color coded -- RED if acidic, green if alkaline, blue if neutral) maybe we should ask another code for natural estrogen or natural progesterone..

    believe me it gets easy with time..

    as with coffee! naaah! am not giving it up! Laughing

  • toni30
    toni30 Member Posts: 252
    edited April 2011

    Great thread. A few more things:

    1. I changed jobs; less stress

    2. I found an organic salon for organic hair dye.

    3. On swimming - if you wipe a light oil - like almond oil - on your skin and hair before you swim it will limit absorption of the water. Shower off after you swim. Happy swimming!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    toni

    re: almond oil-- that's a good idea! last sunday my daughter wants to go swimming at the nearby public swimming pool-- I was hesistant because of the chlorine..

    though I would like to protect her from environmental toxins, I also do not want to be a "kill joy"

    ___________

  • Thatgirl
    Thatgirl Member Posts: 276
    edited April 2011

    What chinese herbs should we take? Also, why is chlorine bad for BC?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    Thatgirl

    Chlorine is a known carcinogen-- read here and here

  • naturelover39
    naturelover39 Member Posts: 39
    edited April 2011

    Hi All,

        Been enjoying this thead.  To the person having trouble with green tea.  One of my favorites is to take on decaffenated or reg quality green and one blueberry tea ( celestial seasonings or other) and I find it delicious. Also rasberry works well. With stevia or agave.

        While I try to exercise and eat well mostly , I think the most impt change for me is somehow to reduce stress...

       Any clues for reducing sress to share with me???

       For those who might not have found it  Endangered Species makes an incredible 85% chocolate that has 1.25grm sugar ( from beet sugar only) per wonderful piece.

       That all said , I think my situation might have been a combination of environment, genetics and stress.  While at Mayo I had a Dr tell me sometimes they have someone like me who " does everything right" and had this and down the hall someone who smokes and eats only garbage and etc and they are perfectly healthy.

      I think we all need to laugh and love more.  Not always easy but just my thoughts.  I read someone else say , " stick a fork in me I'm done" well sometimes I have felt that way....

    (((hugs)))

    nature :)

  • Cyborg
    Cyborg Member Posts: 848
    edited April 2011

    I stopped eating beef a very long time ago. I started exercising two years ago and did so almost every day. I ate raw nuts and vegetables every day.



    Since BC surgery. No exercise. Gotta get back to that. Stopped all meet except for occasional salmon and very seldom chicken but the chicken feels wrong ( hormone filled). No dairy products. More water. No diet soda or energy drinks.No regular sodas either. No sugar and this is effort!!! It's very very hard! No fake sugar products at all. Co rubies with tons of raw vegetables and I have learned to cook dry beans.

  • ruthbru
    ruthbru Member Posts: 57,235
    edited April 2011

    I eat a little of everything; mostly things good for me, but also a little bit bad. I want to enjoy life; and wonderful food in a part of that equation for me.

  • thefuzzylemon
    thefuzzylemon Member Posts: 2,630
    edited April 2011

    Reducing stress for Naturelover...meditation and yoga have been great for me...also, clearing out the crap (I thought they were friends...and a few family members have to limit their conversations with me...).  I have also found that being creative has helped me a lot too...I love to write, paint, read about things that interest me...and my puppy...I hope that helps...

  • MariannaLaFrance
    MariannaLaFrance Member Posts: 777
    edited April 2011

    Ditto what fuzzylemon says about stress reduction. Honestly, when you compare most of life's problems with the prospect of fighting for your life (sorry to be so morbid), they all seem to melt away. It's with this mindset that I approach problems. I was recently laid off at work, and the HR rep commented on how calm I was. My silent answer-- I can't print that one-- but my answer to her was the truth. I told her that after you've faced your mortality, nothing, NOTHING can touch you. Not in the way cancer did.

    So, I guess what I did was take cancer and use it to protect myself from other kids of hurt.

    As for other types of stress reduction? I bike ride 3-4 days a week, work out at the gym, yoga, dance and spend as much time as I can laughing. I have rediscovered giddy, fun times with my friends, husband and children.  

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