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  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    Hi ladies! I have been reading up on this thread a bit, I am experiencing rippling, I almost 3 weeks out and don't know if it's too soon to judge what will happen.  I was wondering when you noticed yours?  Did it get progressively worse, better, stay the same?  I'm just curious of what I might expect in the long run.  Thanks for your input!

  • deekaay
    deekaay Member Posts: 328
    edited April 2011

    Well, I have one foot off the fence!  I was going to cancel my fat grafting appt. for 4/26, but I asked some questions this week and I think I am going to go ahead.  My PS nurse said that the doc can "suck out" my current fat lump during surgery and replace it with fresh fat.  Also, big plus is that they can do it under twilight anesthesia.  I am not really unhappy with foobs so I still have a little hesitation to do anything more.  We'll see...

    fire-dancer, it is early, yes.  But after a few weeks when swelling from exchange goes down, that is when ripples can appear for many of us who have rippling.  That's what happened with me.  I didn't get a really clear picture for 3-4 month.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    fire-dancer- Mine seemed to show up about a month out, got worse for about 3 months and has now leveled off.  

    deekaay- Hey fence jumper!  Really hope that it all works out for you and your PS can get some great results.  We need a happy ending on here!  I really like that they can do the twilight anesthesia.  Much easier on your body, I think.   

  • sweetie2040
    sweetie2040 Member Posts: 817
    edited April 2011

    Determined-Dr. Khouri wouldn't be making me smaller overall. He would be using a smaller implant and doing a larger layer of FG. So overall I would be the same or bigger if I wanted to be. I agree I don't have a lot of upper pole either so I would even consider a larger implant.

    Firedancer-I started noticing a few ripples right after surgery and they got worse as time went on but then tappered off to what I have now. I think in my case I could use a larger implant because it seems like I have a lot of space and not much upper pole. Give yourself time though your not too far out from your exchange. I noticed that after several months things really began to feel good and the implants felt more like part of me. They feel full and soft too. Would be good except for the darn ripples. A push up bra helps a lot too with getting more upper pole.

    Deekay-good for you. It sounds like you should go for it. I think FG has a lot of merit and it is worth doing. I would be right on it if my Dr offered it to me. Unfortunately no one in my area does it except one Dr who is out of network. I think it's going to work out good for you. Many ladies have great results with FG.

  • deekaay
    deekaay Member Posts: 328
    edited April 2011

    Kate and Sweetie, thanks for the encourageing words.  The twilight anesthesia is a big plus in making me reconsider.  I did have one round of fg when I got my nips/areolas and that's how I got the lump.  If they can suck it out that would also be great.  I do think the fg worked on round one, I just need a little more.  I'll keep you posted...

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    sweetie- I'm wondering if they can concentrate some of the FG to fill in the upper pole?  I feel so boney on top and then have a big step off.  I'm going to have to ask Dr. K about that.  I think I've decided if I do the revision I want to go smaller.  And then I'm determined to get the extra weight off that I've put on since surgery.  With the implants feeling too big, and the extra weight, I don't feel like me anymore.  I miss my old body.  I'm even wondering if I didn't do an implant at all how big he could make me with just fat?  My whole life I thought I wanted bigger breasts and now that I have them I don't like them!  LOL!  I swear there's no pleasing me! :-D

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    Thanks for the input, ladies!  I know I am still early out from exchange, but the ripples are obvious enough already...I have a feeling they are here to stay.  I am not bothered by it too much, most of the rippling is on the sides, but at certain angles I have some faint ripples on the top.  Once I put on a bra you can't see them anymore, I have a feeling it is because I don't have enough upper pole? Not sure, just a guess.  I found it interesting when I read on this thread that it seems to be a trend in the NSM's to get some rippling.  Sweetie & Kate, I know you had NSM, too...interesting...

    Kate - I hope you can find a balance that you feel good about re: the implants.  After all this, you deserve to feel good about yourself & happy in your own skin.  But I agree, it IS hard to please me, too! My hub thinks I am crazy to be scrutinizing the new foobs the way I do! 

    Sweetie - I'm glad to hear the implants feel a part of you, so far mine still feel foreign when I'm not wearing a bra - I swear at times it feel like the could just fall off me! ;-)  it's going to take some time, but I am sure I will get used to them!  Good luck in deciding what to do, Sweetie!

  • deekaay
    deekaay Member Posts: 328
    edited April 2011
    Kate, I am so with you on the feel.  I don't think I'll change out for smaller, but I don't feel like me either.  It's getting better but many times a  day  including when I get up in the middle of the night, I feel the difference on my chest.  When I look in the mirror, I am more balanced now which is what the PS recommended.  It's just the change in feel that continues to bug me.  Waaaa....
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    fire-dancer- There does seem to be an awful lot of us with rippling who have had NS.  Not sure what the correlation is there.  Of course it could be that NS is usually only performed on smaller chested women and smaller chested women tend to be thinner and thinner women tend to get rippling.  Maybe that's it?  If NS is causing the rippling I'd take the rippling any day! 

    deekaay- I think just about everyone would say I'm more in proportion now but I guess that's society's version of proportion.  I just feel ungainly, for lack of a better word.  And it just makes me feel so fake to suddenly have a chest in front of my friends and family.  I know it's my own hang up but thought I'd feel better about it by now.  Wondering if the rippling is just my excuse for wanting to go smaller.  Just never thought I'd miss my smaller breasts.  I guess it's true....be careful what you wish for!  LOL!  

  • sweetie2040
    sweetie2040 Member Posts: 817
    edited April 2011

    Deekay-we will be routing for you. Your lucky to have the option of FG. The more I've read about it the more I like that option. Hoping one day my Dr will be doing it.

    Kate-I'm very bony on top too. I think I have read that some women had FG to fill in indentations. I think Dr. Khouri can do wonders. Get all those questions ready and ask him everything. Let's see what he says. I just want to say I really do understand how you feel about not feeling like your self. That same feeling hit me right after surgery and about two weeks ago. I was starting to get all weepy. Something I didn't do this whole time while going through 3 other surgeries. It just began to hit me this is who I am now (physically). It hit me how numb I feel and I realized no matter how I changed my breasts they would never be like they were. I think  what I was going through was finally accepting everything that had happened to me and mourning what I lost. As far as your size-if you've had your implants for quite a while and it doesn't feel like you like the look you have with them I don't see anything wrong with changing them out to smaller ones. I think Dr. Khouri could possibly make a whole breast with just fat grafting. His website shows that and it works well for an A or B cup. It's your body and it doesn't matter what other people think you should look like. You have every right to feel good about yourself. Pursue that and until you do, whether it's an emotional thing or a physical thing.

    Firedancer-Some rippling is going to be envitable especially on thinner women or women with thin skin. Maybe the NSM does have something to do with it. I agree with the upper pole causing the ripples. That is where the implant is going to get pulled down by gravity and show a void. You would need a bigger, tighter implant, but then again it may still ripple. I think the highly cohesive tear drop ones don't show ripples as much. They don't have as much upper pole but some women really like them and they look great on them. Your implants will definately feel more like part of you as time goes on. In fact I have noticed in the past month or so how soft they have become. They seem to mold to your body more too. Give it time. Its all part of the adjustment. Our bodies weren't perfect before and they won't be perfect now, but they are a pretty good reproduction!

  • deekaay
    deekaay Member Posts: 328
    edited April 2011

    Kate, yeah, we are on the same page for the most part.  My biggest complaint when I think about it isn't the look, isn't the scars, isn't the ripples, it's the strange feeling and discomfort that comes with this. My whole chest just feels somewhat alien to me although it is better.  Overall, my chest is still tight which is why I feel "it" all the time.  I do think this will improve with time as my brain gets used to the different messages coming from my mid section.  Maybe my lat d is part of this, but I have the alien feeling on my prophy side, too.

    Occationally, I am a little self conscious about size in certain clingy tops, but mostly I don't look that different in clothes so that part doesn't bother me much.

    One more thing..yes FG can improve upper pole.  Mine worked pretty well for divots I had after exchange.  Mine didn't give me a lot of "poof" but added a slope which is much better.

    Sweetie, thanks for the encouragement!  I'll keep you guys posted.  deekaay

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    sweetie- I think I finally took a long hard look in the mirror and said this is not who I want to be; what I want to look like.  I know I can never get the body back I used to have but I think I can get closer to it than this.  I do hope Dr. K can help me.  I am so amazed how supportive my DH has been about this.  When I didn't get the job I had applied for all he said was, "Well, now you can the revision which is more important".  I don't think I have ever loved him more since I'm sure by now he is so sick of talking about BC and boobs!  Let me know if you have any questions you want me to ask Dr. K.

    deekaay- Alien is the perfect word to describe the feeling of these foobs.  I'm one of those hyper-sensitive people where a tag on a shirt can make me practically insane.  I feel like my brain is being constantly bombarded with messages that something's not right here.  Maybe that will go away in time but it's been 9 months now and it still drives me crazy.  As much as the thought of more surgery freaks me out I just can't stand these any longer.

    I found another thread that is very similar to this one.  It is called "Still uncomfortable with implants".  Women who hate their implants are coming out of the woodwork.  It's funny.  You think you're the only one but every post strikes such a cord with all of us.  I wonder how many women can truly say they are happy with their recon?   Here's the link if you want to check the other thread-

    http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/44/topic/766702?page=2#idx_40 

  • sweetie2040
    sweetie2040 Member Posts: 817
    edited April 2011

    Kate33-Your husband sounds like a great guy. I think things work out for a reason. Maybe it is not the time for you to start working quite yet. I think whatever questions you ask Dr. Khouri will be helpful to all of us. We all have a pretty much similar situation. I did email him like 10 of my photos and he responded with what he would do in my case. I have a pretty good idea of how he would handle it but of course I don't really know the nitty gritty details. I hope you have a good flight down and a very informative appointment. After that maybe things will be clearer to you what you want to do. I related to your comment to Deekay about hypersensitive. I have always been like that with my body and other things. It can drive me nuts. I will notice if my glasses are slightly crooked or if I change my contact prescription it will drive me nuts. I'm also sensitive to little changes in my body. I think it does make it harder for people like us to adjust to this major change of having foreign objects in our bodies and having had a major surgery.

  • orchidgal
    orchidgal Member Posts: 153
    edited April 2011

    Kate, thanks for the kind words. I put up my latest photos on TIm Tam's site the other day, so check 'em out and let me know hwat you think, if you like. I'm glad so far and it hasn't been as intense as the first implant surgery. My PS even has released me to exercise two weeks earlier than last time because I've already been through it once before. I do have to wear a sports bra 24-7 for the next two months. The "stitching" in my case is building a suitable pocket using dermal matrix, cadaver tissue. It's like sewing some built in pillows into your chest - you want to have proper pockets for them to sit in nicely.

    Sweetie, when is your revision surgery? Have you set a date? In answer to yor question re drains, my PS puts them in as a precaution, as he sees any undo swelling as deleterious to healing. The right side is where he did the most revision, digging around for that nerve branch, which he was able to cut his time, so one of the drains there had stuff in it for a week, and the others dried up  a few days afterwards. Better safe than sorry! I'll see the PS in two months and then we'll talk about nipple/areola surgery. I am still a bit gun shy after my last two anesthesiologists, who were not my favorites. I'm sure by the time I see the PS in June I'll be raring to go for it. The size increase from 375cc to 425 is negligable, yet I can tell they are a bit bigger, no big deal. I still seem to fit into my clothes so far. And they keep getting smaller, as the swelling goes down. There are ripples, still, but slight, and I'm sure the PS will take care of them when he does thenipple/areola surgery w/ fat grafting.

  • deekaay
    deekaay Member Posts: 328
    edited April 2011

    Kate, I get you totally on the body thing, I am like that, too.  Good for you for deciding what you need to do next.  Nine months out is where I am, too, and it is a long time.  Keep us posted

  • sweetie2040
    sweetie2040 Member Posts: 817
    edited April 2011

    Orchidgal-I saw your new pics and you look great! There is a slight increase in size but more importantly it seems like the rippling is greatly reduced. At least you have the option of fat grafting if you should need it. At this time no one in the group I go to is doing it. My Dr did say they are keeping an eye on the FG thing. I know just takes longer for those procedures to be common. I'll keep you posted on my revision.

    Kate-big week ahead for you. I hope you get to relax a little too while you're in FL.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    On my way to Miami right now. Was having second thoughts this morning. The thought of a revision seems overwhelming but am going to push on. My DH is with me so we decided to turn it into a mini getaway. Appointment with Dr K tomorrow then beach time!

  • sweetie2040
    sweetie2040 Member Posts: 817
    edited April 2011

    Kate-we'll all be thinking of you. It's just great for you to get all the information. No one says you have to do anything now or later, that's totally up to how you feel, but I think just having this other option is wonderful. Enjoy the sun. It's been rainy and dreary all week where I live and we definately could use some.

  • hopefulhealing
    hopefulhealing Member Posts: 722
    edited April 2011

    Kate good luck!!!

     Had my second opinion. He said the PS did a good job. I do like the size and shape. He said he thinks I should exchange for smooth. Stay away from fat grafting. He said he would create the nipples from tissue from inner thigh. He also said he knew of my PS and he is well trained and he thinks since we have been through so much together and he is capable of doing this I should stay with him.  He said he would talk to him if I wanted him to. He said if I wanted to go with him I could also. I respected that he didn't try to get me to go to him and was professional in saying stay with who has done so much with you.

    So thinking and thinking.............. don't you get tired of trying to make decisions!

    Congrats to those who just had the exchanges!

  • deekaay
    deekaay Member Posts: 328
    edited April 2011

    Well, I went for my pre-op today so I am on for next Tuesday for round two fat grafting, one nip reduction and maybe a scar revision.  It's funny, this is by far, my most minor surgery, but I am the most ambivalent about it, I think because this is the first one that feels "elective".  I guess I know I could leave well enough alone so that weighs on my mind.  Hopefully, it will be worth it.

    Kate, you have a very sunny week in FL.  Summer arrived today with a high close to 90 degrees so it should be great on the beaches.  I hope this visit is a success for you and you will gain clarity on whether Dr. K approach is what you need.  Enjoy your vaca.

  • leeinfl
    leeinfl Member Posts: 317
    edited April 2011

    Kate - It was so great to meet you and your DH yesterday!  I hope you enjoyed your stay and got to relax a bit after the consult.  Have to say, yesterday was an extremely busy day at his office and I haven't seen the waiting times quite that bad in a long time.  I'm told he had to run off into surgery which of course messed up all the appointments that day.  I ended up meeting another lady who had an initial consult for a revision as well. We are quite a unique little "club" of fat graft "graduates" and I hope that seeing my results was helpful to you.  Hope you have a safe trip back home!

  • sweetie2040
    sweetie2040 Member Posts: 817
    edited April 2011

    Determined-its sounds like you had a good second opinion. It is good when they think your first Dr did a good job. Then you know it's nothing they did really. I would probably stay with the first guy. I think round smooth may help a lot and maybe a slightly larger size.

    Deekay-I totally understand how you feel about this being "elective" this time, but don't feel bad about it. I consider this still part of the reconstruction process and if something needs to be tweaked then we should do it. Good luck with your upcoming procedures. I'm hoping that takes care of the issues for you!

    Lee-cute pic! so jealous over here!! LOL

  • leeinfl
    leeinfl Member Posts: 317
    edited April 2011

    sweetie2040 - thanks! - figured I'd change my profile photo to what we are all posting about.  Wish I could send Dr. K your way and do his magic for you.  Kate is soooo sweet!  Glad we got to meet.  hugs!

  • hopefulhealing
    hopefulhealing Member Posts: 722
    edited April 2011

    leeinfl yes you look great in the avatar thing!  So many darn decisions. I am just not sure I can swing going to Florida several times to have it done.  I wish he would come to Chicago and I would be his demo patient as he trains others!

  • soccermomofthree
    soccermomofthree Member Posts: 163
    edited April 2011

    Kate I am excited for you! Hope all went well!

    Lee very nice pic! How cute are you! :)

  • leeinfl
    leeinfl Member Posts: 317
    edited April 2011
    Aw, shucks...thank you! Embarassed
  • sweetie2040
    sweetie2040 Member Posts: 817
    edited April 2011

    Lee-you have the benefit of living in sunny Florida.If it was nice like that here I'd be in a bikini too. It's been so cold here all winter and even now I have a big sweatshirt on! We get like 2 months of summer if we are lucky. Some day I need to move south and get a condo at least for the winter.

    Hope everyone has a wonderful Easter.

  • leeinfl
    leeinfl Member Posts: 317
    edited April 2011

    Sweetie2040 - I am lucky!  I'm such a wimp when it comes to the cold - I grew up with 4 seasons and can honestly say that I don't miss it at all!  If it dips under 80, I get cranky.  Blood must have gotten quite thin after living here for over 20 years.

    We have lots of "snow birds" who live down here in the winter months.  Come on down, girl!  Cool

    Yes - Happy Easter everyone!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    Hi everyone!  I'm back from Florida!  I have to say it was a very stressful trip.  The only bright spots were meeting Lee and Dr. Khouri.  I really like him!  He is the first male doctor I have had through this whole thing but I felt very at ease.  So here's what I found out during my consult.

    He recommends taking out my 375 cc implants and putting in 225-250.  He will then do a round of fat grafting over the top taking fat from my stomach and hips.  He said that may be all it takes to make everything look and feel better.  If not, he said in about 3-4 months after the first surgery he would recommend doing the BRAVA for 4 weeks, he would then take out the implants completely and do a second round of fat grafting with the possibility of a third round down the road.  He said for those trying to get rid of the implants all together he used to take them out right away and do the first round of fat grafting but he found that it was too psychologically devastating for the patient for months.  He said you wouldn't want to look at yourself in the mirror for at least 3 months.  He found that doing it this new way took less of a toll emotionally on his patients.  I thought it was great he was even worrying about the psychological aspects of it all.  He is the first doctor who even brought it up.  He did say that I could eventually have the return of sensation even in the nipples.  

    The surgery would be done on a Thursday, Friday or possibly Saturday.  I would need to stay in Miami until my post op appointment on Monday or Tuesday and then would be able to fly home.   The surgery itself is about 6 hours and is done at the surgical center in the same building as his office.  It is out patient surgery.  

    If I do the BRAVA it isn't covered by insurance and would cost $570 plus shipping.  The first surgery would cost me $3600 after insurance which was quite a bit more than I had anticipated.  So that's definitely something to think about.  

    What I liked about him was he got that it wasn't about how I looked.  It was about how I felt.  He said it's all about feeling good about yourself- inside.  He said, "It's all about the smile".  He got right away that I could live with the rippling, the boniness on my chest (though he said he could fix all that) but that I was there because the implants just didn't feel right and he said he could make it better.  

    Obviously, a lot to think about.  A big investment financially but something that could make a huge improvement in my life and maybe even lessen the pain I'm having.  I'll keep you posted on my decision and outcome! 

  • leeinfl
    leeinfl Member Posts: 317
    edited April 2011

    Kate - thank you!  Makes me feel great to be included as one of your "bright spots!".  It was so nice to meet you and your husband.  It's funny, when I read your post I was reminded about something my husband said about a conversation he had with Dr. Khouri when I was in recovery after one of my procedures.  He had mentioned Dr. K talking to him about the psychological effect on women when dealing with breast reconstruction.  I didn't ask much more about it and just assumed it was a more general type conversation about breast cancer and such.  It wasn't until just now that I realized what they must have discussed....wow!  I have a whole new reason to respect the man. Again, I'm so happy we had a chance to meet!

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