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  • lassie11
    lassie11 Member Posts: 1,500
    edited April 2011

    Ducky -- I was skeptical about radiation and had it because the most wonderful doctor in the whole thing very kindly explained the process and the improvement in my recurrance possiblities. We all are different. In my case it made sense.

    Isabella - on how to say no. My friend and I have learned to start with "thank you for thinking of me . . . . no". It makes the other person feel OK and it lets you say what you wanted to say. They all find other ways to manage.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited April 2011

    Ducky I have the same stats as you and I didn't get rads or chemo or anything else! Not even Tamox or Femara!!!  I'm still here. My surgeon told me to save the big guns until next time. At that time, his comment didn't even seem odd!!

  • 3jaysmom
    3jaysmom Member Posts: 4,266
    edited April 2011

    isabella, its' so good to hear whats' been going on with you.. i believe a hotel stay IS an order. glad you got your pc problems sorted out. i missed ya!

         Alyson.. they had  a re run of Tyra americas top model, and they filmed in NZ...so, hub and i watched it, and fell in love.. its'SOO green! love to all....3jays

  • QCA
    QCA Member Posts: 1,539
    edited April 2011

    Amyjo, Daisy Dog is so cute!  You can just see her personality in that picture.

    Ducky, my diagnosis was different from yours, and I was 60 last year when diagnosed.  I did radiation and had no problems with it, but everyone treated it like a "given", You will do radiation, period.  So, I did.  The worst thing about it for me was having to be there every day.  All of us are so different.  A lot of people have horrible fatigue, and I had some, but it wasn't as bad as many people have.  I take arimidex (generic) now and don't like it very much!  But I'm taking it.  

    Hey Isabella and 3jays.  Good to see you both.  I know you're exceptionally tired after keeping DGD for 5 days full time, Isabella.  Our DGS is 22 months old and like a trying to keep up with a whirlwind.

    Hugs to all.

    Kathy

  • duckyb1
    duckyb1 Member Posts: 13,369
    edited April 2011

    Ladies thanks again for your information........This will take a lot of thought on my part....I really would prefer not to do it.........but I also don't want to have any regrets, and have to go through this at an even later age........I am 76.............Not the healthest, but a lot healthier then some other 76 year olds I know......My biggest problem is not serious health problems..........It is the aging bones..........the aches and pains......arthritis more then anything else.....I said if I could replace from the waist down I would be in great shape.....................of course that was before the BC..........Keep the info coming girls I need all the help I can get............hugs

  • Mazy1959
    Mazy1959 Member Posts: 1,431
    edited April 2011

    Hi Ladies,

    I've been having a hard time keeping up on these boards lately but enjoy reading them.

    Amy you remind me of myself with sleeping so much. I slept 20+ hours while I was on chemo and got absolutely nothing done. I still sleep more than I like to. I have so many things that need to be finished. Have about 5 things started and cant complete anything it seems. I hope you get to feeling better soon. I luv ur dog..so pretty.

    Ducky, I was 43 when I had rads and had no problems. But my mother who had lung cancer at age 74 had a hard time. She had been healthy up til then. We are all different and its hard to say who will do okay and who wont. Mom said it felt like she had been beat from head to toe and she was sick alot. So maybe give a try and see how you react to it. My mom's onc stopped hers when it was no longer considered in her best interest. Good luck on whaever you decide. Hugs and luvs to all, Mazy

  • 3jaysmom
    3jaysmom Member Posts: 4,266
    edited April 2011

    mazy, sleep still evades me at the strangest times. ive gotten adjusted to a new sleep pattern, but now am unhappy with it. it doesnt allow me the "full" liife i want, insist on. so, im attempting to stretch hojrs differently.. the whole bc journey has been strange; but i find sleep, or lack of it, a long going problem for many of us. we just have to keep insisting to "change " the new normal; but it all takes time. that's why im still up at 6am.

       today, i upped the anti..i ordered zumba; trying o increase my energyy output may help sleeping earlier in the evening, besides, its' a fun way to excersice as we need, after all we've been through, we need to retrain our new bodies.. wish me luck.. i'll let you know how it goes. it will be short bursts at first, ive taken a few classes, and they were ok to do. i hope to increase my endurance...   3jays

  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited April 2011

    Ducky, I think you will feel better about what to do with a second opinion. Do that!

    Isabella, a short trip away is definitely needed. Please do that for yourself. Hopefully your DD told her DH about the affair and they made up. Otherwise your GS will feel compelled to tell. And that will tear him up.

    3jays, did you order a zumba DVD? I need to get a rebounder. That is a great way to get ecerything moving, so I hear. But they aren't cheap. Maybe I can get one on Craig's List.

  • chrissyb
    chrissyb Member Posts: 16,818
    edited April 2011

    Hi all, nice to see you all sitting a jawing the buzz of conversation is great to hear!

    Amyjo, I'm looking forward to meeting you at Uncle Bill's place in September.  Sometimes I think it's never going to get here and then at others, the time is just flying by and I feel I'll never get organized in time....lol  Hope we are all feeling energized by then....

    3jays, yup you got it right, Kiwis and Aussies....lol  Most people get a surprise at just how big Aus is.  Mmmm, Zumba hey?  You'll have to let us all know if it's okay for crook knees...I've seen it advertised and often wondered if I could do it.......maybe not at the speed they do but I'm sure I could get the belly going.....lol

    Dragon, your baby sounds like my baby, when I bath her she stands still under sufferance with such a dirty look on her face the whole time she is being shampooed.......it just cracks me up.  When we are done and she is all dry and brushed I get a killer look every time I go near her for the rest of the day.

    Ducky, I didn't have rads first time round as they said it wasn't necessary as I had a radical mastectomy with way clear margins.  I did have rads when I was Dx'd with the bone mets and other than needing extra sleep for a while and some extra moisturizer on the skin I didn't have any other SE's.  The choice, when we get to the bottom line, is yours and yours alone.  The onc can recommend a treatment but we have to right to refuse it...............what ever you way you go, we will support you whole heartedly.

    Alyson, even though you whispered, I heard you say Aus was beautiful.....lol  and I think New Zealand is beautiful so we are even...lol but both are very different.  What are you writing?  A novel?  Sounds like fun!

    Oooo Isabelle how on earth did you manage to keep up with a two year old with your crook knees?  I can't say I envy you the task.  Hope you DD has got herself sorted one way or the other.  It's good to hear that the weather is warming enough to let the animals out of the barn and into the fields.  I guess that means that spring has definitely sprung.

    Mazy, Lassie, Barb, Annettek, Valjean, Barbe,Pj and Kathy, it's nice to see you.

    Well, the weather has been just beautiful and perfect for getting out and into the garden so that's what I've been doing.  It is finally starting to look like my garden again instead if the weed patch it had become.  It's really nice to feel well enough to do the things I used to do.

    Enjoy your day girls and I catch you soon.  ((((((hugs))))) to all!

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited April 2011

    Chrissy, isn't it the END of your garden season?

    Ducky, ER+ cancer is slow growing. By the time if/when it comes back you could already be 6-feet under from something else! In fact, I don't even really have to worry for the first 5-years out, but have to be extra vigilant past the 5-year mark. Good luck on your decision.

  • chrissyb
    chrissyb Member Posts: 16,818
    edited April 2011

    Barbe, we can grow things all year here and if we want a good showing in spring, now is the time to prepare so we can plant in about four weeks.

  • duckyb1
    duckyb1 Member Posts: 13,369
    edited April 2011

    Honest ladies this to me right now is worse then then anything that preceded it, even "tech Ratchet, with the gorilla hands who massaged the dye to the lymph nodes for the SNB.............At least that was over and done with ......this is a life decision here, and I'm not gonna kid you, I feel like tossing a coin in the air, and making a call.............Sounds stupid doesn't it............and it is........but in this case, your damned if you do......damned if you don't......and the script for Femara.............well now isn't that a happy little pill to have to take.......

    This reminds me of my husband when he had his Pancreatic cancer diagnosis, and in the end 2yrs 6 months later they decided to do Chemo...........The Onc said "well when  we do this you are going to lose your hair".............His answer to the Onc.....'"well I guess we're not going to do it then "are we"............cause I do not want to lose my hair........"cancer has taken everything from me....it will not take my hair".................................I said to him when we got home................."are you nuts"..........how can you even say those words with a straight face"..........I held my hands out palms up and said  "ok pick"..............hair.......dead..........hair...............dead........hair..........dead............."please do not say that to anyone else.......................

    Now I know what he was speaking of since I'm in the same boat only its not Chemo, its taking a pill that could possibly put you on your ass..............but again............do I take the chance without what is suggested, or do I fight the fight like you ladies have done, get the rads, take the friggin pill, and even if the joints and bones put me in a wheel chair......................Hell, I'm still alive.............Guess I sound like I'm angry...................well I am.....................it appears the ch;oices are "your alive, but your quality of life sucks."

    Well here I go again, worrying ahead, but statistics say to me.................This hormone crap is no walk in the park..................The Onc said to me "well you appear a spry 76 year old......................my thought  .............".Hey..................are you talking to me"
    Thanks ladies again....................Sorry for the whinning again.......................have a great day..............as for me I'm going over to my daughter's to make a Sour Cream Pound Cake for my son-in-laws birthday which is today.................My daughter is doing Shrimp Scampi for dinner, and I'm putting all this cancer bullshi- behind me at least for the next 24 hours.

  • chrissyb
    chrissyb Member Posts: 16,818
    edited April 2011

    Ducky, I was very afraid of taking Femara as I already didn't do well with Arimidex but to my surprise and relief, other than hot flashes and a little fatigue (which is not a bother), I have no other side effect at all........no aching joints, no aching muscles absolutely nothing.  If you don't give them a try, you will never know if they are going to be good for you or not and if you find they are causing you more harm as in your aches and pains, there is nothing stopping you from discontinuing .  You may be surprised at the result.  Hope your SIL has a nice birthday!

  • chrissyb
    chrissyb Member Posts: 16,818
    edited April 2011

    Have a great day all....I'm off to bed!

  • Dilly
    Dilly Member Posts: 655
    edited April 2011

    Ducky, it's a difficult time - and by this stage of life, most of us are used to being "in charge" of our lives to some degree or another.  BC sends us on a roller coaster with  so much to learn in such a short time; and then the eternal "it's your decision."  What the *%$#? 

    I decided to believe it was best that it was my decision instead of cookie cutter tx since I generally don't fit anyone's "normal" anyway. My dx was similar to yours; and my oncotype was squarely in the gray area middle.

    MO recommended chemo, BS and PCP voted against. I chose not to have chemo. MO was ok with that.

    I had the full course of rads.  With the MOs approval, I did rads first, waited 2 weeks, then began Arimidex (generic) because I wanted to deal with one set of se's at a time.  Rads were exhausting and for some time after, but certainly do-able; I drove myself an hour each way every day.  

    Arimidex was more scarey to me partly because I have a rare autoimmune disease that requires careful management (mostly self-management because 99.99% of docs know zip about this condition; zero known about this condition + AIs). I researched how women were coping with se's of AIs, and tried to mimic the success stories - exercise & diet, supplementing calcium & D, etc.  I'm happy to report I have minimal se's - eyes are dryer; a little achey. With me,'grouchy' is hard to tell the difference - compared to what?  Hah.  Blood work in March, after 7 months of A, was good.  Heart doc was pretty happy - and saw no residual damage from left side rads... So, taking the little white pill gives me a sense of security; I sure hope it works!!!!!! One nice thing is there are several AIs to choose from, and "quitting is an option." 

    Although the se's are there, and all must be listed by the maker, they are not necessarily going to happen to you.  But they might, which comes back to "your decision."  Once you make a choice, and choose a path, I think you'll feel somewhat better. Your family is such a blessing.  A second opinion would probably be helpful. Best wishes!

    Chrissyb, nice rose!  We are getting antsy to start our garden; but woke to low snow yesterday!

    Summer is around the corner because our climate is basically a rain forest in winter, then desert in summer with zero rain for 150-180 days.

    I wish you all a pleasant and easy day, and ease from any troubles.

    Isabella, get thee to a hotel with room service and a jacuzzi.

  • SoCalLisa
    SoCalLisa Member Posts: 13,961
    edited April 2011

    when you start the femara or arimidex make sure to get a baseline

    DEXA bone density scan..

    Love the rose Crissy, I am a real rose lover

  • Dilly
    Dilly Member Posts: 655
    edited April 2011

    Lisa Thank You for that very important DEXA reminder.



    We'll see how happy I am with Arimidex after the 1st annual DEXA scan is ordered later this summer after one year, and whether the calcium/etc has helped maintain my baseline numbers. My bone density was decent to begin with - but not everyone is so fortunate, and I forget what an issue it is for those who already have bone loss problems.

  • webstertoo
    webstertoo Member Posts: 51
    edited April 2011

    Dear Ducky,

    My mom was 79 when diagnosed, had a Mast, clear nodes, but she didn't want Chemo or Rads.  After five years the cancer was found accidentally in her liver and a year later in her bones. She had other health problems but still died of cancer at 85. I had rads at 65 and while tired the treatments weren't bad.I would go for a second opinion.

  • SoCalLisa
    SoCalLisa Member Posts: 13,961
    edited April 2011

    Lost Creek,in  my baseline DEXA scan I showed way above normal bone density

    and it nosedived at the 18 month mark on arimidex...ever vigilant...

  • SoCalLisa
    SoCalLisa Member Posts: 13,961
    edited April 2011

    for those of you who might want to know

    I finished up my five years of hormone therapy five years ago..

  • heartnsoul76
    heartnsoul76 Member Posts: 1,648
    edited April 2011

    Lisa - has your bone density improved much over the last 5 years?

  • SoCalLisa
    SoCalLisa Member Posts: 13,961
    edited April 2011

    I took fosamax for a few years and that helped..I have not been on the fosamax for 2  years now

    and my bone density is holding ...I have been doing weight bearing exercises also

  • dragonflymary
    dragonflymary Member Posts: 356
    edited April 2011

    It's hard to keep up but duckyb, I hope you make the decision that works best for you.  I opted for BMX rather than do rads and Tamoxifen--everybody has a different tolerance for stuff, but for me the thought of going to the hospital every day for rads was worse then losing my breasts.  With Tamoxifen it was a no-brainer as I didn't qualify for it due to a former stroke.  I do hope you can get a second opinion also. 

    Two words jumped out at me from the posts:  sour cream pound cake (that sounds like heaven!) and zuma.  What is zuma?  I'm hoping to get cleared to get a little more exercise in a week or two. 

    Chrissy, it's true, some dogs are just NOT water dogs!  He went to the groomer yesterday and got scalped.  He looks really funny but he smells soooooooooooo much better.  It's a trade off I guess.  They even did his teeth.  If there is reincarnation I hope I come back as a pampered dog with a Mommy just like me!  I'd be spayed at a young age then spend all my time getting treats and going to dog spas, getting massage, and having my nails shaped.  At the end of the day some nice fresh liver...wait a minute...I don't want to be a dog... 

  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited April 2011

    Dragon, I'm with you on the liver. What I can't figure out is why I like liverwurst. ??? Hate liver but love a liverwurst sandwich on rye with mustard and tomato. YUM!!

  • dragonflymary
    dragonflymary Member Posts: 356
    edited April 2011

    Barbara, I also love liverwurst!  It reminds me of my Mom--that's the sandwich she used to make.  We weren't very close but still I miss her cooking on a regular basis.  Oh her potato salad!

  • radiant
    radiant Member Posts: 464
    edited April 2011

    What fun/odd cooking dishes are you whipping up these days? I usually do quite well anti-cancer diet wise, but every now and then I crave something sweet. 

    Yesterday, I made m&m cookies w/whole wheat pastry flour, xylitol (low glycemic natural fruit sugar), and regular brown sugar. I reduced both of these sugars for the recipe. I had 2 whole cookies and packaged the rest off to friends/relatives. They actually came out fine - just not quite so sweet, which is what I like. For kids, I think you could do this and substitute 1/2 the flour w/whole wheat pastry flour, and 1/2 w/regular and no one would notice. I got the w/w pastry flour at the health food store.

    Any other unusual tries?

    - Kim

  • dragonflymary
    dragonflymary Member Posts: 356
    edited April 2011

    Kim, I like me some blueberry banana bread!  Today got some frozen blueberries in bulk from a friend.  Next, going to try new muffin and bread recipes using blueberries and for the muffins, olive oil instead of butter.  It's the anti-cancer diet from heaven!!  Of course, dark chocolate is good for you as well, and goes with that age-old staple, red wine.  Haven't used the zylitol yet but will try. 

  • 3jaysmom
    3jaysmom Member Posts: 4,266
    edited April 2011

    hey lafies: my scheduale has been really "off " the last few days.. been medicated to the max, BP went thru the roof( its a long story) and they tripled a few meds. its' better, sugar is still wonky... they have NO idea what happened, but the stress level has been tremendous here, so for me, its' a no brainer...

       ok, 1st, Chrissy, i love the rose. and yes, Zumba seems to be something we'll be able to do, WITH modifications.. which, they show. im used to no jumping, of  watching my knees carefully... i took a few classes, and i enjoyed it so much, that it wasn't like excersice at all. i've just got to not overdue it! 

       i did rebounding, BARBARA, for awhile: but i've lost the ability to jump; a rare neurological side effect of MS; so, its' not as effective for me anymore. i can get going with marching, but this looks to be much more fun! i've started yoga in a chair, and Zumba... thats' me, two ends of the spectrum!!! i'll let you know. Faith and Fifty was taking the class in Ocala, and got me wondering. i love latin dance, so its' right up my alley!

      will def. take it to uncle Bills, God willing i get there!

       Dragon: i love blue/banan muffins.. im signed up for Betty Crocker online. they have every recipe known to man, even have an online file for you to keep them in. the muffins were one i got from there, ck it out!and for both you, and Barbara, i hate liver, cokked, but since meeting my in laws.. LOVE chopped liver on ritz. its a rare treat; for the cholesterol; one im indulgin in the last few days since not feeling well.

       starve a fever; feed a cold?.. ifeed just plain not feeling good! thast's why i look the way i do, and you guys look the way you do!!lol

      one last thing.. Barbara, i just looked up the rebounders with the bar to hole at Sports' Authority, and they've come way down.. like $80.00 from there120.00 not long ago, ck it out.

       i didn't catch up reading, am trying bedd again. i have Fischer for the whole day tommorrow, he'll knock the wind outta me, so gotta try to rest.. hope to get in to see "rio" with him tommorrow. for me, not him hahaha i'll try to catch up on sunday.

          godd luck, and hope all tests and tx go well for everyone.....       3jays

  • chrissyb
    chrissyb Member Posts: 16,818
    edited April 2011

    Well, the weather has finally broken and the temp has dropped dramatically.....ugh......gentle rain fell of and off today but thats okay as we need it for the garden.   DH and I have been invited out to a Luncheon tomorrow and according to the weather beaureau the temp is supposed to be around the 58 degree mark....brrrrr....that's a wee bit cooler than mid seventies!   Guess I'll have to dig out the woolies and rug up warm, I might even end up wearing the ol' Uggh boots to keep the tootsies toasty.

    3jays, have fun with the munchkin tomorrow and don't let him wear you out too much!

    Hope everyone has a wonderfully relaxing weekend in preparation for what ever may come next week.

    Love n hugs to all,  Chrissy

  • Alyson
    Alyson Member Posts: 4,308
    edited April 2011

    Most seem to have gone to sleep tonight.

    Have had a busy Saturday. DH cleaned out a lot of rubbish from under the house as we are getting underfloor insulation put in soon, 120 year old houses don't come with such things.

    Then this afternoon took GD to see her Great Grandma who is still in hospital and afterwards to the park for a while. Had a lovely cuddle with the baby when we got back. He is trying so hard to focus, its so sweet, as her frowns when you are talking to him as though he is trying to understand.

    DH is watching rugby  but I think its time to call it a night myself.

    Big hugs to all

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