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I know it sounds like a stupid question, but keep stumbling on this in posts and still cannot figure it out. Please explain. Thank you much!

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  • SusieMTN
    SusieMTN Member Posts: 795
    edited April 2011

    One of those mini trampolines. 

  • agnieszka
    agnieszka Member Posts: 48
    edited April 2011

    No kidding:)!  And how does this suppose to be beneficial to us? Seriously. I always exercised a lot etc. Just wondering if there is some secret I don't now? Thanks so much.

  • Thatgirl
    Thatgirl Member Posts: 276
    edited April 2011

    @Agni --- I think it helps with lymphatic flow.

  • Member_of_the_Club
    Member_of_the_Club Member Posts: 3,646
    edited April 2011

    Well, you have to be careful about exercise when it comes to lymphedema, if thats what this is about,because raising your core temperature is what exacerbates it.  

  • agnieszka
    agnieszka Member Posts: 48
    edited April 2011
    Thanks everyone. I am still not convinced Wink
  • IrishInNC
    IrishInNC Member Posts: 31
    edited April 2011

    Just a note to let you know that your lymphatic system reacts to rebounding in as little as 2 minutes.I do 2 minutes several times a day. I don't think it makes a great impact on my core temperature. I do not have lymphedema, I'm trying to keep it from happening. I do have some swelling on some days and my massage therapist does lymphatic massage and the rebounding helps keep it all flowing. That's my two cents worth.

  • IrishInNC
    IrishInNC Member Posts: 31
    edited April 2011

    Just a note to let you know that your lymphatic system reacts to rebounding in as little as 2 minutes.I do 2 minutes several times a day. I don't think it makes a great impact on my core temperature. I do not have lymphedema, I'm trying to keep it from happening. I do have some swelling on some days and my massage therapist does lymphatic massage and the rebounding helps keep it all flowing. That's my two cents worth.

  • Husband11
    Husband11 Member Posts: 2,264
    edited April 2011

    My wife had an axillary node dissection and is at risk of lymphodema.  Is there some credible evidence regarding the rebounder having a positive impact on this?

  • Member_of_the_Club
    Member_of_the_Club Member Posts: 3,646
    edited April 2011

    Please don't do this on your own without consulting a lymphedema therapist.  irish, I assume you are wearing your compression garments when you do this, thats the most important thing.

    The lymphatic system doesn't have its own pump, so exercise does get it moving (any exercise, you don't have to jump up and down on a trampoline).  However,if you have lymphedema or at high risk the exercise can also overtax things and the rise in core temperature -- if you are exercising, you are raising your temperature -- can cause problems.  Exercising while wearing compression sleeves is one way to fight lymphedema because it gets the lymphatic system flowing but under a controlled way.  I am a runner and wear my sleeve and glove when i run and I've definitely seen an improvement since I started doing this. 

    Two caveats: (1) you need to be fitted for garments by a lymphedema specialist.  The wrong garments can cause more problems than benefit. If you don't already have LE, it is very controversial whether or not you should wear garments, (2) some women with LE cannot exercise even wearing the garments without exacerbating the condition.  There is no one size fits all here.

    Any questions about LE should be raised over in our lymphedema section where we have some of the top experts at hand. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    DITTO IrishinNC  Wink

    Not everyone is a runner, so for me, this is a great alternative while doing everything in moderation

    "The mini-trampoline subjects the body to gravitational pulls ranging from zero at the top of each bounce to 2 - 3 times the force of gravity at the bottom, depending on how high the person is rebounding. Unlike jogging on hard surfaces which puts extreme stress on certain joints such as the ankles and knees eventually damaging them, rebounding affects every joint and cell in the body equally.

    The rebounding motion stimulates all internal organs, moves the cerebral-spinal fluid, and is beneficial for the intestines. Many immune cells such as T-lymphocytes and macrophages are self-propelled through amebic action. These cells contain molecules identical to those in muscle tissue. All cells in the body become stronger in response to the increased "G force" during rebounding, and this cellular exercise results in the self-propelled immune cells being up to 5 times more active. These immune cells are responsible for eating viruses, bacteria and even cancer cells, so it is good that they be active. Jumping on a mini-trampoline directly strengthens the immune system, so it's a big deal!

    It increases the capacity for breathing.
    It circulates more oxygen to the tissues.
    It helps combat depression.
    It helps normalize your blood pressure.
    It helps prevent cardiovascular disease.
    It increases the activity of the red bone marrow in the production of red blood cells.
    It aids lymphatic circulation, as well as blood flow in the veins of the circulatory system.
    It lowers elevated cholesterol and triglyceride levels.
    It stimulates the metabolism, thereby reducing the likelihood of obesity.
    It tones up the glandular system, especially the thyroid to increase its output.
    It improves coordination throughout the body.
    It promotes increased muscle fiber tone.
    It offers relief from neck and back pains, headaches, and other pain caused by lack of exercise.
    It enhances digestion and elimination processes.
    It allows for easier relaxation and sleep.
    It results in a better mental performance, with sharper learning processes.
    It relieves fatigue and menstrual discomfort for women.
    It minimizes the number of colds, allergies, digestive disturbances, and abdominal problems.
    It tends to slow down aging.

    Hope that helps, CHEERS !

  • Member_of_the_Club
    Member_of_the_Club Member Posts: 3,646
    edited April 2011

    I don't know about the benefits of G forces on individual cells, I don't think I'm buying that.  But that list accurately reflects the benefits of exercise, especially aerobic exercise (though i would add some weight-bearing exercise is also necessary to strengthen bones).

     My feeling is that the only exercise that will be beneficial is that which you enjoy and will therefore keep doing.  If thats bouncing on a trampoline, fantastic.  But going for regular walks is also wonderful exercise.  Riding a stationary bike while listening to music or watching TV -- ditto.  Going to a water aerobics class.  Yoga (though not necessarily aerobic, it does other things).  There isn't one prescription for exercise but I do think everyone should find something that works for them.

    It is actually a myth that running wears down the joints.  Unless you get an acute injury, running is protective of joint degeneration. This is been studied conclusively (another recent study came out).  Its not for everyone, but I love it.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    When my brother who got into running marathons after a triple by-pass shows me his black toenails, I say, it ain't for me and after walking 365 x 2 for 13 years with my babydog (may he rest in peace), I find walking very lonely except when I have to run errands which I do all the time. 

    I say to each her own, we all have to find our way through these most challenging times !!!!

  • agnieszka
    agnieszka Member Posts: 48
    edited April 2011

    Wow, I am so glad I asked this question! This is all so informative. Well, since I don't have a rebounder I just Grabbed my exercise ball and I am sitting on it and bouncing as I write this. Anybody did that instead? Just curious. I don't know if I have LE but being 2 weeks after BMX, no recon, 12 nodes removed(5+7). Last 4-5 days I am feeling golf ball under my arm pit and feeling somewhere swollen around it. Visually it does not look swollen. Still bouncing....:) Let you know if I feel any better in half hour or so?

  • Member_of_the_Club
    Member_of_the_Club Member Posts: 3,646
    edited April 2011

    Agnieszka, please call your surgeon and possibly ask for a referral to a lymphedema specialist.  It sounds like you have a seroma, which the surgeon can drain.  You also want to make sure you don't have an infection since it is so soon since your surgery.  Plus, if you do have lymphedema, all that bouncing can cause harm if you don't get it treated.

  • agnieszka
    agnieszka Member Posts: 48
    edited April 2011

    Yes, I was planning on doing this tomorrow morning and this was what I was suspecting too. Thanks.

  • hlth4513
    hlth4513 Member Posts: 267
    edited April 2011

    I have mild Lymphedema and my LE therapist was enthusiastic about my using a rebounder, as long as I wore my compression sleeve.

    Beth

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    Forgot to mention that bouncing gets boring.  Actually I dance, stretch, wiggle and everything in between on the thing.  Yup, no wig, no make-up, devoid of clothing on electronic music, nobody watching, all in the comfort of my own home.  Also, have lymphedema in my upper arm and in my breast (actually twice the size of its sister).  Lifting anything at all will make everything swellllll

    P.S. copied first googled result above, am sure more scientific data could be found Laughing

  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 2,167
    edited April 2011

     Luan-Great info! Here is more:

    Rebounding is the absolutely best exercise one can do to PREVENT lymphedema. It is not something to be afraid of. It will also reduce lympedema and physical therapists recommend it.

    The lymphatic system is the most important system for moving toxins out of the body. Swelling from lymphedema is not from heat. It is from a build up of toxins. Toxins will not flow once the lymphatic system has been compromised. The reason we get lymphedema after surgery is because our lymphatic system has been barbarically abused by the idiots who continue to remove lymph nodes when even when current studies show it is not necessary (google it yourself).

    Unlike the heart, lymph does not have a pump to keep it flowing. Lymph moves by a series of valves that open and close as we move. Yes, walking will help, but the gravitational forces from rebounding is the best way to get these valves working. Yoga is also great, and as Agnieszka has brilliantly figured out, so does bouncing on an exercise ball.

    I began rebounding a few days after my surgery. I have never had any lymphedema as a result. My doctors only advice was to do what I felt comfortable doing. I also rode my bike 10 miles five days after surgery. Since the surface of the trail was smooth, it was more confortable and less jarring than walking. Exercise will PREVENT lymphedema. Sitting around worrying about sweating will not.

    Beginners can just sit on the rebounder if they are not comforable with jumping. It will still be beneficial.

    I am a former phys ed teacher, and I volunteer teaching rebounding classes at our local cancer wellness centers. I use a Needak rebounder. After trying several others, it is the best. It is very smooth and made in the USA. No cheapo parts. It comes with a great DVD of the immune system. Do not waste money on one of those cheap ones. I did this first and once I fell in love with rebounding, I got the better quality Needak.

    I do it almost every day. I even do yoga and crunches, ballet balances, etc. on it. One more bonus, it tightens those inner spichter muscles. No more incontinence.LOL

    Happy jumping!

  • sweetbean
    sweetbean Member Posts: 1,931
    edited April 2011

    Hi Vivre,

    What kind of surgery did you have?  I'm having a BMX and a Reverse Arm Mapping (new lymph procedure).  I bought a rebounder a few months ago, but had trouble using it because it irritated my port.  But once the port in out, I'm all in!    

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    Thank you Vivre !  I could almost feel my tail between my legs...Frown

    I know, they're talking about not proceeding with node removal anymore, all that PAIN and no gain !!! 

    Being short on imagination, I look to you for advice on anything else I could do.  Living in the very polluted Montreal area, one does not want to defeat the purpose.  Was thinking of getting a bike this summer, but a girlfriend told me that every time she was out on hers, she developed asthmatic symptoms.  I don't even want to sit out on my balcony, that's how bad it is.  Stinky gyms are out for me, as I cannot afford the more exclusive ones.  Am looking forward to taking some funky dance classes once I get rid of the pesky wig ! Yell 

  • Member_of_the_Club
    Member_of_the_Club Member Posts: 3,646
    edited April 2011

    Exercise will not prevent lymphedema.  Its two edged.  Movement allows the lymphatic system to keep flowing but exercise also taxes the system.  And for some women with lymphedema, exercise exacerbates the situation.

    By all means jump or move, its a fantastic thing to do for your overall health.   But if you are at high risk for lymphedema, consult a lymphedema specialist.  And if you have any aching or heaviness in your affected arm, stop until you meet with a lymphedema specialist.

     If exercise prevented lymphedema as emphatically as Vivre says, I wouldn't have it.  There aren't many here who exercise as much as I do.  With my compression sleeve and glove on while I run, it is very much under control. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    agnieska,

    read thru this (am off for work so cant retype)..

    http://nanaymiriam.wordpress.com/2010/05/06/on-the-rebound/

    btw, am not selling trampolines or rebounders..

    just answered your question.

    my mother actually started rebounding 3 months after her mastectomy. it has been more than 1 year since the mastectomy. and she is probably lucky not to have lymphedema as MOC warned us about. she was under the care of a physical therapist for 6 months after her mastectomy-- and the rebounding was not an issue to her PT (at that time).

    all I know is that it helped my mother to move her bowels ... during the first few months..

    now she can move her bowels though without the help of the rebounder..

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    Luan,

    if pollution is an issue in your area.. i would say a rebounder is a good alternative.. in just 5 minutes of rebounding you can already sweat it out..

  • motheroffoursons
    motheroffoursons Member Posts: 333
    edited April 2011

    nanay,

    I cannot see how jumping on a small trampoline can cause you to "sweat out pollution".  Are there any studies or references for this?

    The only thing jumping could do is increase breathing rate and increase oxygen/carbon dioxide exchange.  Also, sweating is a physiological reponse primarily designed to cool the body, not to remove toxins (insignificant amounts of urea are in sweat)..  Other organs in the body are for toxins.  Except in the case of uremia where urine is not produced and it is released as urea in the sweat(sometimes fatal).

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    motheroffoursons,

    naaaah! you completely misunderstood.. no not to sweat out pollution.... wwaaaa

    I mean if pollution is an issue in your area-- and you do not want to run or walk on polluted streats/// just get a trampoline or rebounder so you can exercise at home..

    exercise is good.. but not if you are doing it around polluted streets..

  • vivre
    vivre Member Posts: 2,167
    edited April 2011

    motherofsons-You are absolutely wrong about rebounding. Do some research. It is not just about sweating. You must move the lymph. The lymphatic system is natures detoxifier. If it all just sits there, we remain toxic. Toxins back up and then our whole system becomes compromised. If we are constipated, we are full of toxins. Rebounding helps with that. We have more lymphatic fluid than we have blood. Yet there is no pump. We most move it to move it. What do you think all that swelling is in the ankles of people who do not move? It is not water. It is lymph!

    Don't knock rebounding unless you have tried it and have educated yourself about it.

    BTW-I am not selling rebounders. I just believe in them 100%.

  • agnieszka
    agnieszka Member Posts: 48
    edited April 2011

    Vivre, Thank you for the link.

    Everyone else, I am so glad I asked this question. By the way, my exercise ball bouncing was very fun Laughing! I don't know if it helped any since I am not sure about having any LE. I am more concern about mild seroma. I am seeing my BC this afternoon. I have to say that as a very active person who is use to a lot of exercise just being able to anything right now made me feel better. Thank you to all for so much info.

  • Member_of_the_Club
    Member_of_the_Club Member Posts: 3,646
    edited April 2011

    BTW, I'm not sure if this is what you're getting at, but sweating will not prevent lymphedema.  In fact, one sure way to puff up like a Macy's parade float would be to sit in a steam room.

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited April 2011

    Rebounding and lymphedema -- hmmmm!Smile When rebounding is used for helping to move lymph for people who have lymphedema, it is a gentle bounce with the feet never leaving the mat, for around two minutes, once or twice a day. It's advised that you buy a quality rebounder that includes a guardrail. Rebounding, even gentle bouncing, is very hard on arthritic ankles as it pushes them inward with every bounce, so if you have arthritis, do look elsewhere for suitable exercise.

    As for rebounding preventing lymphedema, there is zero evidence of that. In fact, the only evidence that it even helps when lymphedema is present is anecdotal, and that applies principally to patients with lymphedema in their legs, though there are women here on the Lymphedema board who do use it as I've outlined (they recommend elevating your arms as you bounce to avoid thrusting lymph fluid into your hands). It is NEVER used alone as lymphedema treatment, but only in addition to Complete Decongestive Therapy performed and supervised by a fully-trained lymphedema therapist.

    Theoretically, of course, it sure would SEEM like it should help move lymph, but the science just isn't there to make that kind of assumption. There IS a renaissance of lymph research that has happened over the past few years (hooray!!Cool), but it's an area that has been neglected throughout history, so we're waaaaay behind.

    If you like rebounding, do get guidance from a well-qualified lymphedema therapist and go for it. But where prevention or treatment of lymphedema is concerned, there's simply no evidence available that it has a beneficial effect. 

    Swimming is actually considered the best possible exercise for lymphedema, and women with lymphedema generally don't even need to wear garments when in the water. (Actually, scuba diving's better, but it's out of reach of most folks!) Gentle laps, exercises in the water -- all good!

    Most PTs are not qualified to treat lymphedema, as that takes an additional 135 hours of specific training beyond their PT (or OT) certification. Which of course doesn't stop them from making suggestions for lymphedema exercise, but you'd want to ask them about their training before you take that as gospel. A whole lot of the women on the Lymphedema board had their lymphedema triggered when they followed the advise of un-qualified therapists. A little knowledge is a dangerous thing, so do be careful where you get your information. Lymphedema is the step-child of the medical field. Everybody thinks they know all about it, but they've never studied it.

    Heat is absolutely a cause of congestion in the lymph system. No problem if your lymph system is not compromised, but ours are, so that's an important consideration for all of us.

    Lymphedema risk reduction guidelines available at these two sites:

    www.lymphnet.org

    www.stepup-speakout.org

    Be well!
    Binney

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited April 2011

    hi binney,

    my mother's PT did not ask her to use rebounding to treat lymphedema.

    am just saying that her PT was ok with her rebounding as a form of exercise

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