Can't decide which surgery
I am new to this group, just joined this morning. I was diagnosed three weeks ago with breast cancer. My head is spinning. I believe I am finished with all the testing and I see my surgeon on Tuesday. The first time I saw the surgeon he told me he believes he can get all the cancer with a lumpectomy, he just needed a few more test to be sure. I have been told, by a relative, who has done cancer research, that I should treat this more agressively and have both breast remove. I change my mind everyday, don't know what to do.
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Well, sorry you had to join the club, but welcome. I had DCIS so I am sure there are others with more information on IDC who will chime in, but i know you have to talk to a lot of people, get a lot of opinions, do a lot of research and finally be comfortable with your treatment. There are many many variables to consider and you wont get your answer here - just ideas.
One woman will be fine with lumpectomy and rads, one wont be happy until both breasts are removed. There is NO one answer. I had a SMX - my decision based on my physiology, BRCA tests, family history, lifestyle, and comfort level. I will be having reconstuction. I refused further treatment (i.e. Tamoxifen). But this decision came after months of talking to docs (6 total), researching here and other sites, reading books, and soul searching.
Good luck - its a lot to take it. Try not to let it overwhelm you. You will get through it. Listen and take notes. There are a lot of beautiful, strong women out here who will listen and help you through.
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Suebak:
Deciding on which type of surgery is a very, very personal decision. When I was DX in August I had ILC which has a tendency to be bilateral so it made the decision easier for me. Also, I have 2 tumors so a lumpectomy was out of the question. I decided on a DMX and never looked back. I went with the implants which I just got 2 weeks ago. So far, doing well. You also need to get the whole picture of your cancer. How big is the tumor, are you ER/PR positive, will you need rads or chemo, are you a candidate for oncotype test?
All these weigh in your decision.
Good luck
Jan
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It is a very personal decison. I decided after I had an MRI Lot's of calcifications in the other breast. I had both of them removed with immediate reconstruction. I am so sorry you have to deal with this.
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You guys seem to have done your research. I do not know all the terms, what questions I should be asking, etc. I think my mind just went blank when I was diagnosed. I was certain I did not have cancer. Therefore, when the dr called me and when I went into see him, I could not think of a single question. Since I have spoke to other woman who have been through this, they are asking me questions that I can not answer. Now, I have a list of questions for the dr, when I see him on Tuesday. Thank you all for your support. I should have looked for this group from day one. I really does help to talk to other woman who are going threw this.
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I wish I had known about this group from day one. Like you I did not know what questions to ask. Take someone with you to your appointments, it helps.If you do need to have chemo talk to a few oncologists before you make a choice. My first one was highly recommended but he had horrible bedside manner and made me feel like my questions were silly. The onc I have now deals only with BC patients at a breast care center. She's wonderful. Good luck and again sorry you have to deal with this.
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I agree, it's a very personal decision. I was one with a small tumor (1.8cm) and opted for a double mastectomy based off family history, my profile tells the story.
My decision I feel was right for me. I think you need to research the heck out of it and decide which option you feel is right for you. Even my breast surgeon wouldn't tell me what he thought I should do. I think that's what made it the hardest. I would've almost preferred someone TELL me what to do. Now that I look back I am very happy with my decision I made at the time, I wouldn't have been happy any other way.
Good luck and sorry you had to join us.
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Should I have an oncologist now. I was told by the director of the cancer center, I would first have surgery, then I would see an oncologist. I did see a genetic counsler, she told me my results were inconclusive. That didn't help. My mother and her sister had breast cancer, which is why I had the genetic tests done. Genetic dr said I should speak to an ocologist to possible help me with my decision. I guess I will wait to talk to the surgeon on Tuesday, then make my desicion. I just want to be done with this. It is all I think about day and night. My family is very supportive, but I just don't think they understand what I am going threw
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suebak I did not see an oncologist till 2 weeks after my surgery. Some folks do chemo first but that depends on lots of factors (larger tumor, spread to other organs etc.) In that case you would need to see an onc before surgery.
As far as what to do I think you need to get more information from your BS. At least you know that lumpectomy is an option (I didn't have that option). Ask about the pros and cons of both. I don't know your age but if you are younger (under 50, under 30) this also should be discussed.
Hang in there. The beginning is the worst part.
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I am writing down everything you guys are discussing on here. I don't know anything about breast cancer. I have been researching online, but have not gotten half of the info I have gotten on this website. So glad I found you people, I hope you all know how much you are helping others
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Lago-I am 47 years old. Pre-meno, I believe that plays some type of role in the decision making
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You say you just want to be done with this. That's exactly why I chose bilateral MX with DIEP reconstruction (BMX/DIEP) for my 2 ND go around with BC. I was also BRAC negative but with cancer on both sides of my family I felt I was at risk for a 3rd cancer in my unaffected breast so I went for the whole enchilada last Dec. And never looked back. I had wanted to do this the first time in 2006 but was talked out of it by the radiologist. You will hear all sorts of stories on this site but the final decision will be yours. I dose BMX/DIEP for piece of mind and cosmetic symmetry. Not to mention the flat tummy I got along with the breast package. Good luck with your treatment and don't hesitate to get a second or thrd opinion if you are unsure of the first.
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It is such as personal choice. I had a lumpectomy and am very, very glad that I went that way. It was the least invasive option, and allowed me to get back into my life with no future surgeries (yes, I had radiation, but having a mastectomy does NOT guarantee that you won't have radiation either). I don't think I would be happy with no breasts, and yet when I read all the potential problems with reconstruction....not to mention the additional surgeries, recovery time etc....I don't know if I could deal with that either. A a friend of mine who is a surgical nurse and 30 year breast cancer survivor (mastectomy with delayed reconstruction), so she knows breast cancer from both sides of the operating table, gave me this advice without a blink of an eye, "If they give you the choice, have the lumpectomy!" Best of Luck! Ruth
edited to add: if you have a lumpectomy and change your mind, you can always have a mastectomy later. But once your breasts are gone....they're gone. If you are truely undecided, I would go for the lumpectomy.
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I'm on the other side of a BMX in the middle of reconstruction (almost finished with expansions). While it's a process so far not so bad. Granted I think I would have liked to keep my "good breast" but the MRI indicated it wasn't so good (small amount of LCIS). I rather have no boobs then have a higher risk of having to do this again.
It really depends on your diagnosis too. I have a very aggressive, very fast growing tumor. Grade and biology of your cancer should also play a part in deciding.
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Absolutely.
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I am really OK with loosing my breast if that is the way I have to go. I am very affraid of the long surgery and the long recovery. I am a mother of 4, and a grandmother of 2. My grandchildren come to my house everyday, my husband is home during the day and he cares for them while their parents work. I too work full time, but I have 2 hours every morning with them, and I love every second of it. Believe it or not, I am very concerned that I will not be able to pick them for quite some time. They are only 8 months and 15 months old, and they both love me so much. They dive into my arms in the morning, greatest feeling in the world. I know they won't understand my not being able to hold them, and the thought of that is driving me crazy. Sounds silly, I know, but if any of you have young children in you life, I am sure you understand.
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suebak I have read similar posts of women with children having concerns about not being able to hold them. Not crazy at all. You might not be able to do as much but you would be surprised. I had my surgery late on Tuesday and by Saturday I was going out to dinner. A week later I was getting my hair washed and styled at the hair dressers. (because of course I couldn't do it myself). I was more tired though.
Just remember that this down time is not forever. It actually goes fast. Life always throws us some inconveniences but we make it through. You need to do what's best for your long term health. That's the most important for you and your family.
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I'm so sorry you have to join this club and I understand how you feel. It's so much to learn and some of the informaion you read conflicts with other things you have read.
What kind of surgery you should have is a very personal decision, but you need to wait until you have your full diagnose.
Keep in mind though, that even if you remove your breasts there is no garantie that the cancer will not return or show up on the other side.
I had lumpectomy and I am going to have radiation (which is a given with lumpectomy) and I am very happy with my decision.
Talk with your surgeon and have him explain everything for you and make your decision from what you have learned, but don't jump into a decision because you are afraid.
Hugs,
Carina
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I am sorry you joined the club but at least you have a wonderful group of ladies to support you. I would fully understand the recurrence rates for both MX and lump+ rads.. Also completely understand the survival rates for both and compare them. I too am pre menopausal and am only 45 so for me I chose BLMX with no regret. I am also doing reconstruction and am looking forward to my permanent implants (hopefully in June!). I also know that you can make the decisions you think are right, but sometimes during the process the diagnosis changes a bit. I had a lumpectomy (eventhough I was already going to do BLMX - my doc saw the tumor when I had my sentinel nodes removed and just decided to remove it and get the final pathology). Once I got the pathology from the lumpectomy, my grade on the tumor was graded up from grade 1 to grade 2. I had the mastectomy and then there was another area small area of invasive cancer found. I did not know that until 2 weeks after the mastectomy. I am glad I had a BLMX. It was the right decision for me. So I guess all I am saying is be prepared as some things change after the surgeries as more information becomes available. This is very much a personal choice and what is right for one person is not right for another. You need to decide what is the right thing for you personally and feel ok with your decision. As far as the follow up treatment, many medical oncologists won't even meet with you until after your surgery so you still may not even know if additional treatment will be needed. I wanted to know before so I pushed for appointments and it was hard to get them. Depending on your diagnosis, you may even want to read about oncotype score tests. It will help determine how much of a risk your specific tumor is of coming back. Not all patients qualify for the test...there are certain perameters. I can tell you that I had lumpectomy/SNB, BLMX and now am half way through chemo and it has been easier in some ways than I ever thought it would be. Best of luck to you...hugs too!
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Hi Sue..I am a ten year survivor..I had a lumpectomy and it turned out later I
needed a mastectomy of one breast...The surgeon should know alot more
after the lumpectomy just what you have on your plate.
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Has your surgeon mentioned doing an MRI prior to surgery to be sure a lumpectomy is all that is required?
After my MRI, additional things were found and unilateral mastectomy was required; I was glad to know that BEFORE a lumpectomy with "dirty margins" and having to go back in for more tissue was necessary.
It's a very personal decision, and of course making a decision is a timely thing, but don't let yourself be rushed to the point that you don't have time to read & research your options.
Do you have a copy of your biopsy pathology report? Do you know the grade of your IDC? Is it ER/PR+ or -, HER2 - or +? These things factor into decisions as well, with family history and an undetermined BRCA test many women decide for unilateral or bilateral mastectomy, it just depends. But the MRI gives a lot of helpful information oftentimes in addition to the mammograms.
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I echo what others have already said. Take your time & gather all the info you need to be comfortable with whatever decision you make. Ask specifically and understand survival rates and recurrence rates for each procedure (they are different). Get a copy of your biopsy report. Ask about radiation risks & side effects. Ask about different reconstruction alternatives or no reconstruction. Find out where your tumor is & size (if it's close to chest wall you may need radiation even after mastectomy). Get a second opinion - you learn a lot at each visit. Be sure you have a dedicated breast surgeon - not a general surgeon who does lots of other kinds of surgeries - and preferably one at a National Cancer Institute center. You can google NCI and find a map to click your state to find one near you. My best to you in your decision making!
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BTW even if you do an MRI you may not get the full story. Some people end up with a smaller tumor, some larger and some find additional tumors.
The latter happened to my neighbor. She went in for a lumpectomy but the BS found more once he got in. He didn't have permission to do an MX so he had to close her up. The following week she had the MX. This might be something to discuss if you decide lumpectomy. I'm sure this isn't common but you don't want to have to go under twice if not necessary.
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Lago-I just spoke to a woman who had the same thing happen to her. She went for a lumpectomy, had the surgery, only to find out she had to go back and have a mastecomy after all. The mass had broken apart and the dr said he could not get it all. So many woman, so many stories. I love talking to woman and getting their story, but at the same time, it makes it so much more difficult to make a decision. I change my mind every day. One day I am sure I am having a double mastectomy, the next day I am having a lumpectomy
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Suebak, I understand about not being able to hold your grandkids, that was a big worry for me. I have a grandbaby that was only 10 months old at the time of my BMX and that was probley the worst part, but my daughter would put her on my lap or beside me so I got thur that part ok. I picked her up on week 4 after my surgery and did alright. If you look at my profile you will see my story , I wish my lumpectory had worked out but it wasnt meant to be. I am doing ok with the BMX. But everyone must make there own decision. Good luck on whatever you decide. Remember to take one day at a time, Things will get easier. HUGS to you.
Nancy
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And if you do decide on a mastectomy, you don't have to decide on reconstruction immediately. You can have a delayed reconstruction or none at all. I knew I was having radiation after MX and they told me I would have to wait 1½ to 2 years for reconstruction surgery because the radiation damages the skin in a way that makes some types of reconstruction difficult.
After radiation, I decided to have the other breast removed, because my tumor was very aggressive and more prone to recurrence and I felt I'd used up any luck I had by finding it before it spread the first time. I wasn't going to bet my life on catching a recurrence in time, so for my peace of mind, I just had the other breast removed. That was in December. The farther out I get, the more I think I'm not going to do reconstruction. I'm 50 and unmarried, but major surgery(ies) just for bumps on my chest? The nice thing is that I can always change my mind and go for delayed reconstruction.
Just don't feel rushed into doing something you're not sure about. Every woman is a different situation. You need to decide what's right for you and what you can live with. Hugs.
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Suebak, reading your post sounded so familiar! When I had my biopsy just a couple of months ago I was told there was only about 20% chance it would be anything to worry about...... so when I went for my results a week later & was told I had cancer, I was in such shock! Then the doctor basically said that I was a good candidate for either a lumpectomy or a mastectomy. And she said to let her know what I decided. Huh?!?!!!
I had no idea how to make that kind of a decision! I was numb for days, then realizing I had to make some kind of decision, I called my gynecologist (who told me to go with my gut), and I made an appt with an oncologist for a consulation -- just to get some info.
After much research & thinking things through best as I could, I decided that I would go with the mastectomy. Personally, I didn't want to take the chance of having a lumpectomy and then later having to go back in for more surgery.
As it turns out, for me, this did turn out to be the best decision. The surgical report came back that not only did I have invasive ductal, but DCIS & LCIS as well. I just found breastcancer.org a few days ago. Wish I had found it sooner!
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Oh my, I just made my decision to have a lumpectomy, having it Thursday. I sure hope I made the right decision. The surgeon told me he was very confident that he could get all the cancer by doing this surgery. Thought I would feel better once I made my decision, but now all I do is question my decision. This desease sure does play mind games with people.
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You've made your decision based on the knowledge you have thus far so it's the right decision. Things may change and so do decisions but you don't have a crystal ball and have done the best you can. Good luck with your surgery.
Gentle hugs.
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One step at a time. Just go forward.....never back. Let us know how you do! Ruth
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Right before I made my decision on whether to have a lumpectomy or mastectomy someone told me to remember 2 things:
A - You are not Alone
B - Don't look Back once you have made your decision.
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