Huffington Post article by Dr. Weiss

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  • ADK
    ADK Member Posts: 2,259
    edited March 2011

    Interesting - the most recent date listed in the "research" is 2002 - 4 years prior to the scientific study that showed there is no connection between abortion and breast cancer.  Some people are just so misinformed and so reliant on "sham" information, they just won't give it up.  Ignorance is such a sad thing....

  • mollynminnie
    mollynminnie Member Posts: 86
    edited March 2011

    Unbelievable- posting such an outdated article.

    Rubyeye- "or whomever you are"- you are obviously outnumbered and unwanted here.  Please go away.  This is ridiculous. 

    Edited to add- I just saw the bottom of her post where she said she would leave.  Sorry- hope I didn't stir this up again by posting.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited March 2011

    She'll be back.....don't worry!

  • AnnNYC
    AnnNYC Member Posts: 4,484
    edited March 2011

    Neither Joel Brind nor Angela Lanfranchi are "leading breast cancer researchers."  Dr. Lanfranchi may be a fine surgeon, but she is not a "leading breast cancer researcher."

    Angela Lanfranchi has only 3 publications listed in PubMed (which lists virtually all medical research from around the world), and they are all advocacy-type papers in the journal Issues in Law and Medicine:

    http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed?term=Lanfranchi%2C+Angela%5Bauthor%5D&cmd=detailssearch

    Joel Brind is not a physician, not an oncologist, and not a statistician/epidemiologist.  He has a PhD in biochemistry and teaches biology and endocrinology at Baruch College of the City University of New York (CUNY).  His own faculty home page lists only 6 original research papers in biochemistry, published between 1992 and 1996.

  • 208sandy
    208sandy Member Posts: 2,610
    edited March 2011

    She (or they) always say they're leaving and they, alas, never keep their word.

  • Deirdre1
    Deirdre1 Member Posts: 1,461
    edited March 2011

    Melissa:  Is this a "lower your risk of recurrence"?  Or is this closing the barn door after the horse has escaped?  This is a serious question because 99 percent of the people on this site HAVE bc, so I think that it needs to be clarified.. Thanks!

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited March 2011

    They just disappear to make up a new name. Some people are so small minded that once they find the information that matches what they believe, they stop reading!!! Duh!

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited March 2011

    This is a very, very strange thread. First of all I am a bit surprised that the mods would feel comfortable posting here about a new risk reduction section considering how strongly critical some of us have been of Dr. Weiss's article. It's a bit like Coca Cola advertising at a Pepsi corporate picnic. Still, it's their right, and information is always welcome.

    Secondly: Daisy, you were banned from BCO as Daisy6/Daisy62/Melody/Janey. You were also banned from BCO as Erica31/Sammysmom/Janewell/Alexander3/Blah2. What makes you think Rubyeye will survive? Can't you take a hint?  

  • apple
    apple Member Posts: 7,799
    edited March 2011

     Just because we know of factors, they have been mentioned and they perhaps touched us does not make us to blame..  We wouldn't win a logic contest here in this thread.

  • hrf
    hrf Member Posts: 3,225
    edited March 2011

    Melissa and team. Thank you for posting this information. I haven't read it yet but will do so. I'm BRCA2+ so I don't believe anything short of mx will reduce risk

  • hrf
    hrf Member Posts: 3,225
    edited March 2011

    Rubyeye, I think you and your unwanted preachy comments are a risk factor for breast cancer. You cause us great annoyance which affects our mental health and therefore maybe our physical health. Please go away and find your self some other fanaticals who agree with you. You can form your own cabal. Just go away from here.

  • mollynminnie
    mollynminnie Member Posts: 86
    edited March 2011

    2tzus-  I don't think the information someone is sharing is the problem, whether most agree with it or not.  It is the constant harping on one point of view.  If I posted an article most people did not agree with, I would expect some debate, which I'm sure I would welcome.  I would not continously look for anything and everything to prove my point, and put it out there.  And I would certainly not argue with people in a mean and condescending manner.  Once you have stated your view- you have stated it.  I have noticed that the vast majority of people here do that in a calm, mature, respectful way.  But - if you look back on Rubyeyes posts- you will see that she has not.

    Just my 2 cents...

  • AnnNYC
    AnnNYC Member Posts: 4,484
    edited March 2011

    2tzus, I guess you didn't see my comment from yesterday?

    The 2009 paper does not have new information about a link between BC and induced abortion -- the authors simply cite their own 2002 paper.

    What I wrote yesterday:

    "2tzus,

    Just to clarify, the first and second articles you linked to both analyze the same cohort, assembled between 1990 and 1992 in the Seattle area, with BC cases occuring from 1983 to 1990.  What is new about the second paper (published in 2009) is that the authors went back and looked at ER, PR and HER2 status in all those cases (because that information was not available at the time of their original paper, the first article you linked to).  The information about abortion cited in the second paper is FROM the first paper (2002), which the authors themselves state.  That's probably why the authors didn't say anything about abortion in the abstract, or in the Discussion/Conclusions of the body of the paper."

  • konakat
    konakat Member Posts: 6,085
    edited March 2011

    Ruby -- why not do some research that refutes the connection between abortion and BC.  Then you might have a more balanced view of things.

  • Fearless_One
    Fearless_One Member Posts: 3,300
    edited March 2011

    I agree with Esti.   Dr.  Weiss has my respect and well wishes.   Risk factors are just that - risk factors, nothing more.  

  • Rennasus
    Rennasus Member Posts: 1,267
    edited March 2011

    Wow this thread started out great but it has definitely jumped the shark!

    Time for me to move on to more peaceful threads.

     

     

  • ADK
    ADK Member Posts: 2,259
    edited March 2011

    2tzus: The point you are missing is that you tried to present data from 2002 as being from 2009.  This is a very sore point with me - the dissemination of unproven theories as fact to push a political agenda.  They are trying to legally require in a Midwestern state that doctors must present this misinformation to women who are in the sorry position of trying to make a decision about whether or not to continue with a pregnancy.  It would be best if there never were the need for abortions, but face it, it is a fact of life in the United States and the constant attempts to make this most personal decision a matter of public policy is just plain heinous.  The whole reason for the 2006 study was to end this and clearly it has not. 

    As far as Rubyeye is concerned, she does nothing but try to stir up anger - if you say the sky is blue, if she doesn't like you, she will insist that there is a study that came out in 1955 that proves the sky is green.  That is the reason she was invited to leave, not because of what she presented, but because her only goal is to incite and anger.

  • AnnNYC
    AnnNYC Member Posts: 4,484
    edited March 2011
    Thanks ADK -- that was exactly my point.  That, and that the 2009 paper did not mention abortion in its conclusions (or abstract, which always includes the major points the authors want to make).
  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2011

    I guess the truth hurts.  But it also sets you free

    Did anyone notice that there have been over 50 studies linking BC to abortion ?  You are iting old studies.  Doesn't it anger you that there wre studies inthe late 50's and it was hidden ??

    Your anger should be toward BCO, they are not giving you accurate information!  I would imagine for the same reason Susan Komen does not.  Because the receive monies from Planned Parenthood the largest provider of abortions

    Those of you just coming by here to criticize me.  WHY DON'T YOU GIVE IT A REST ?  You contribute nothing except tying to put me down.  You are all bullies - bully someone else for a change

    If I can help one woman's daughter from going through BC, then my posts are worth it to me

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited March 2011
  • ADK
    ADK Member Posts: 2,259
    edited March 2011

    See - I said she would quote something from the 50's. 

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited March 2011

    Did you know that world renown researchers say that breast cancer is caused by watching bad television shows? Yes, yes, there is excellent research on it. In fact, bad dramas tend to lead to stage III, comedies to stage II and Glen Beck to Stage V - yes, there's a stage five. There all these studies. Heaps and heaps of them.

    Can anyone tell me what shows I should watch to get DCIS? 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2011

    I said over 50 studies, beginning in the late 50's  I see this as the same type of cover up the tobacco industry pulled off.   Lives could have been saved.  But money talks

    My point is not to stir up trouble

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited March 2011

    But Athena, they weren't published in the 50's so they aren't worth the paper they're written on!

  • hrf
    hrf Member Posts: 3,225
    edited March 2011

    Athena, you have a great sense of humor As many of you predicted, she continues to try to stir up trouble and continues to demonstrate her lack of character and lack of knowledge. She is even now denying what she wrote. I guess, Rubyeye, you are good for a laugh

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited March 2011

    The tobacco industry went to extraordinary lengths to try to cover up the research which proved tobacco to be dangerous to one's health. 

    Isn't this quite a bit different than going to extraordinary lengths to try to prove a connection between abortion and breast cancer?

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited March 2011

    There are a lot of studies out there that don't amount to a hill of beans........and I'm not talking breast cancer here.  I've read studies on breast cancer, thyroid cancer and parkinson's that are at odds with each other for each respective disease.  So citing a study does not mean that study is correct, or true.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited March 2011

    And what is pathetic is someone trying to ram the same thing down our throats, when many here are offended with the original news release let alone adding the abortion issue to it. Have you no feelings for those women? I'm pro-life BTW.

  • pickle
    pickle Member Posts: 1,409
    edited March 2011

    Blue...you cracked me up with the "told you" comment! Love it!

  • ADK
    ADK Member Posts: 2,259
    edited March 2011

    2tzus: sorry, we are not going to agree on this, you see what you want to see and I see what I want to see.  I just do not have any faith in a "new" study that relies upon data that had been utilized in a study in 2002 that had been refuted in 2006.  You want to have faith in it, go right ahead, but I can see I will not convince you and you will not convince me.  You believe I am totally wrong and I believe you are totally wrong.  It's an impass.

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