Huffington Post article by Dr. Weiss

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  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited March 2011

    I am of the opinion that it is a crap shoot. Sure we can try to live as healthy as possible but ulimately, it is the roll of the dice that comes up cancer and that is that. JMO.

  • LindaKR
    LindaKR Member Posts: 1,577
    edited March 2011

    I'm with Designer Mom - WOW - I'm really surprised that so many of you felt the article was an attack, placing blame on you for your breast cancer.  I had 5 children, the 1st four when I was under 25, breast fed them all, never took the pill, or any HRT.  Ate moderately healthy.  When I was diagnosed I was overweight, had a high stress job and very low vitamin D levels.  I doubt if I could have stopped the breast cancer, but who knows what triggered it.  I don't believe that I caused my cancer and no one can make me feel bad about my life style, if I were to do it it over I would be more cautious about what I ate, getting exercise, reducing stress, but I can't change the past, all I can do is improve my future.  I've read Maria Weiss's book and also AntiCancer by David Sevan Schreiber, they have great information and ideas about changes that MAY reduce your risk of recurrance.  I don't know about you, but I don't really want to do this again and am willing to make changes that may reduce my risks of recurrance.  The studies show that diet, exercise, stress reduction, ... can effect your risk of recurrance, as well as decrease your risk of heart disease, high blood preassure, type II diabetes, why not do them.  Sure I wish I had done them earlier, but I didn't, and I'm not saying that I wouldn't have gotten the cancer even if I had, but I've been given a new life going forward and I want it to be better than my old life, and, hopefully, cancer free.  So I'm going to take control of the parts of my life that I can, and at the very least I'll feel and look better, at best keep the cancer beast at bay. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2011

    I think the whole thing about what causes cancer is comparable to the game of Jenga. 

    The tower that is built at the start of the game is just a tiny bit different every time, just like each of us is just a bit different, and then the players start removing pieces from it. 

    It's a pretty good bet that the first piece removed in any game won't cause the tower to fall, but as more and more pieces are removed, a collapse becomes more and more likely.   If that very same piece that came out first in one game with no consequences is removed later on in another game, it could be the thing that causes the tower to crash.  Some pieces are more likely to cause the failure, but other times, there may be enough structure left around them to allow the tower to remain standing in spite of that piece being removed. 

    There are many, many factors that lead to the development of cancer.  Any one of them can be the one that causes the catastrophic failure depending on how sturdy the underlying structure of the body is at the time. 

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited March 2011

    Rabbit: I have the following problem with your posts: you don't post enough! Hugs.

    I will just repeat something I said earlier: I would be very happy if I could know, for an undisputable fact, that I did something to cause my bc. I have no problem with personal responsibility. Knowing gives me more power to change my ways so that I can avoid future BC (for those of us who still have the luxury of thinking that way). My only problem is that personal responsibility must be affixed accurately, and the causes of any given disease musrt be spelled out in full. In BC, scientific knowledge is not there yet.

    This means, in an ideal world, that I would love to have the following information - and let's pretend, for the sake of argument, that it is scientifcally accurate:

    "Athena" you got bc because you drank polluted water and you smoked. Also, you once lived in an area high in pollution.

    I would take information like that and : a) stop smoking b) drink filtered water and c) know that there were factors I could not control.

    As it is, we only have associations and hypotheses of a myriad of factors, some within our control as individuals, some only within our control as a society (eg: pollution) and others that we can do nothing about (inheritance). So any campaign that puts too much emphasis on any single of these factors is incomplete. I was not offended by the Huffpost article; I just thought it didn't go a quarter as far as we need to. What is more, this and other BC campaigns need to clarify that specific lifestyle factors have not yet been established as indisputable causes; there are still only associations along with hypotheses. //

    Early stage cancer is like crossing the Mafia and getting away with it. You live, but must forever glance over your shoulder.
    Diagnosis: 3/2009, IDC, 3cm, Stage IIb, Grade 3, 3/8 nodes, ER+/PR+, HER2-

  • XmasDx
    XmasDx Member Posts: 225
    edited March 2011

    Jumping in but can't help myself... I'm kind of bummed that mississippiqueen's comments about fracking back from Page 3 didn't lead to more discussion about our environment at large;

    Fracking (watch the movie "Gasland" info at www.gaslandthemovie.com);

    our water supply (scare yourself by watching "FLOW" see www.flowthefilm.com);

    contamination of our food supply (see the movie "Food, Inc." for some good examples of how industry interacts with government);

    the problematic state of healthcare (Michael Moore's "Sicko");

    the overlap between industry and government leading to a lack of oversight and systemic irresponsibility by our large corportations ("Capitalism:  A Love Story");

    the abominable contamination of our waterways and soil (read "Animal Factory" for example);

    and the ingredients in the cosmetic products on our store shelves (see free short movie by Campaign for Safe Cosmetics at http://storyofstuff.org/cosmetics/). Words like herbal, organic, and natural have NO legal definition.  The short film points out that Estee Lauder "fights" breast cancer, but also puts known carcinogens in their products, for example (pink-washing!)

    We as women worry about what we could have done to cause this ourselves, when we are surrounded by environmental toxins that we have little control over, and we rely on some kind of reponsible oversight when it feels to me that little exists.    Is it overwhelming and depressing?  Yup.  Easy to solve?  Nope.  But I just put these things out there as some possible explanations that make intuitive sense to me of why cancer rates are steadily rising in the past decades.

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited March 2011

    2ztus: Again, just reread your own post. This part, especially:

    but don't ascribe motivations to me of which you have absolutely no personal knowledge.

    That was perhaps the chief problem I had with your post to me. There is no good will in your exchanges with me, so I will put you on ignore. Maybe that will calm you down a bit. You can go on to respond with anything you like and I won't answer. The floor is eternally yours - how about it....

  • xtine
    xtine Member Posts: 131
    edited March 2011

    Back when we had an epidemic of lung cancer, we learned that we can dramatically decrease cancer rates by quitting smoking. Similarly, we cut way back on cervical cancer with PAP smears and now the HPV vaccine.

    Until we have a concrete change we can make that we prove can decrease cancer rates to anywhere near the levels done with PAP smears and quitting smoking, I don't want to really read articles like this. Sure, there are lots of things we can all do to reduce our risk, but those things are a good idea anyway as they make us healthier in general, and are not specific to breast cancer. As for decisions about having or not having children, there are so many more serious risks around child bearing or not (both to health and emotions), that breast cancer kinds of pales in comparison as a risk to be considered.

    I do find the article comparing Japan & US to be very interesting, not related to individual change but society's patterns as a whole. I think it's interesting to think about BC as a "rich" disease.. and in general have been wondering a lot about the problems we might be introducing (i.e. allergies, auto-immune, Chrohn's) as we eliminate others (infections, parasites, malnutrition).

  • starbeauty
    starbeauty Member Posts: 327
    edited March 2011

    Do we truly need to snipe at one another?  Haven't we all been hurt enough to last a lifetime?  Isn't there a more advanced way to frame our thoughts that lends itself to mutual exploration of perspectives vs. bias?  Can't we learn from each other... what an amazing opportunity this is... a crossection of women around the globe... all needing each other. 

  • River_Rat
    River_Rat Member Posts: 1,724
    edited March 2011

    XmasDx, I you have addressed a critical part of the problem.  As members of society we are subject to what goes along with that society, including the toxins.  As someone who previously was a nitpicker about what I consumed and getting exercise I now give myself more leeway - not that I've turned into a total junk food eating couch potato.  But really if I have a brownie or don't get my steps in or some other exercise during the day I don't beat myself up over it.  It seems like such a small drip in the ocean compared to the environmental toxins that I can't change.  I have hope that as a society we will begin confronting these issues.

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited March 2011

    If we could treat cancer as though it were literally an airborne disease - a pandemic that requires interventions at all levels of society, we might get closer to a cure or a vaccine. I wish it could be addressed with the same urgency as AIDS or a new, very deadly flu strain. One thing cancer has in common with those others is that anyone can get it.

  • starbeauty
    starbeauty Member Posts: 327
    edited March 2011

    RiverRat - yes - the constant serious craziness over some of these "risk" factors is in itself damaging/stressful.  I was talking to my grandmother at the local nursing facility and just looked around at all the 80-100 year old women... many of them are significantly over weight, having spent years smoking, drinking and exercising only when they lifted the remote - and who had breast cancer in that room... me and grandma.  It helped me to remember that I can't control whatever it is that is causing this... just do my best to be as vigilent as I can.

  • Chan_go_foill
    Chan_go_foill Member Posts: 50
    edited March 2011

    Amen to that Starbeauty!

    I didn't object as much to the content of the article in-so-far as the promotion of healthy eating and such, but what I did object to was the marketing tactics used by partnering with an company.

  • kittymama
    kittymama Member Posts: 139
    edited March 2011

    Chan, off-topic, but I love, love your tattoo! Very sexy, but not vulgar.

  • thenewme
    thenewme Member Posts: 1,611
    edited March 2011

    Wow, I have to say I'm really disappointed by this article too.  I deeply respect Dr. Weiss for lots of reasons, but this feels like a slap in the face.  Seriously - "Breast Cancer Prevention: A Huge Missed Opportunity???" 

    I'd love to know exactly how I "missed the opportunity" to prevent my breast cancer. Gahhh. How insulting, misleading, and oversimplified.

    The wording used implies a causative effect that simply does not exist as of today.  I get so sick of hearing the tired cliche, "prevention is the best cure."   Ummm, no - prevention prevents breast cancer from happening. "Cure"  fixes breast cancer after it happens.  

    Encouraging and emphasizing healthy diet, exercise, and lifestyle choices is admirable.  Rallying for political, environmental, manufacturing, and societal health-conscious changes is wonderful.  Implying that if only I had eaten Stonyfield yogurt as a developing teenager, I would have had the opportunity to prevent my breast cancer is just insulting.   AS IF....!

  • River_Rat
    River_Rat Member Posts: 1,724
    edited March 2011

    starbeauty, my best wishes to you and your grandma.  I hope that you are able to share visits for a long time.  

  • kittymama
    kittymama Member Posts: 139
    edited March 2011

    Is Stonyfield the yogurt with the black and white cow on the label? If so, until i moved to Toronto three years ago, it's the only yogurt I ate and I developed breast cancer....I guess they wouldn't want me as their poster girl. Like many of you have already mentioned, I also object to the partnering with a company and the oversimplified message.

  • starbeauty
    starbeauty Member Posts: 327
    edited March 2011

    RiverRat - thank you for your kindness... She is 96 - has had BC x3 - and still has her sense of humor... I look at her and I feel silly for having any anxiety.  She is an amazing encouragement to me.   

  • starbeauty
    starbeauty Member Posts: 327
    edited March 2011

    kittymama - me too re. the Stonybrook yogurt... then you see cancer diets with "avoid all milk products"... so which is it???  Which would have saved me... the yogurt or the avoidance... or neither?  They don't know...

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited March 2011

    I can't seem to find any reference to the "Think Pink Live Green" campaign on the web site of Stonybrook.

    Here is the site: http://stonyfield.com/index.jsp

    If someone finds a reference, let me know. They do list other health/environmental initiatives. It could be that they are letting BCO do all the marketing, or maybe they are the funders only. Still, you would think they would include it in a reasonably prominent place.

  • XmasDx
    XmasDx Member Posts: 225
    edited March 2011

    I don't see any reference on their website either - but I do have to say that by putting a clip & link to "Food Inc." right on their site they are setting the bar mighty high for themselves - I hope they do and continue to hold their ground if their product is as pure as they imply. 

    Although I eat way too much dairy (organic and non), I actually am not in the "dairy is good for us" camp.  I think a vegan diet is probably healthier. I am glad most milk producers have stopped using rBGH, although I don't know if the same holds true for cheese producers (as I spread Philly cream cheese on my swiss melt bagel...).  

  • kittymama
    kittymama Member Posts: 139
    edited March 2011

    Hi all, Stonyfield does reference Think Pink, Live Green on their Facebook profile. It's posted around March 18.

  • nikola
    nikola Member Posts: 466
    edited March 2011

    Reading all these posts it looks like I am the only one who is a "poster child" for getting BC.

    I got period early, had my son late (at 36), used IVF, no breastfeeding, no regular exercise, kept weight in normal range with yo-yo dieting. Add stress in mixture by leaving my country and family at age 24 and first time seeing them 11 years later.

    The only thing I did not do was use of HRT, but then I am too young for them.

    To be honest I would be really surprised if I did not get it.

    Re: miscarriages, I had two and I think there is connection in my case due to hormonal inbalance.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited March 2011

    Eat well? I did today. I had 3 small pieces of birthday cake to celebrate my sons' 30th birthday. I was holding one of my two 6 month old grandsons in my arm as my DIL nursed her 6 day old baby...my son's son! Life is good.

    I think someone wrapped it up a couple of pages ago by saying that pieces like the Huffington Post one makes those that know US look at us differently. Hmmmm, she's kind of plump, eats sugar, doesn't exercies..I guess she deserved her cancer! So it's the implication of those around us that will hurt us the most. Most of us have come to terms on it being a crap shoot, but our peers don't know that.

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited March 2011

    Barbe .. I think you're onto something.  We KNOW we didn't cause our cancer, but I think sometimes articles like this that suggest there is something you can do to prevent it can paint an unrealistic picture.

    I did everything right, except for HRT for four years before my diagnosis.

    I did have a very close friend suggest to me that I caused my cancer due to an unresolved emotional issue.  I had no idea what the hell she was talking about.  She read it in a book.  I flat out told her that wasn't true .. I don't care what the book said.

    Bren

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited March 2011

    It's interesting.  When I hear of someone dx'ed with breast, ovarian or colon cancer, my first instinct is to ask "Has anyone else in the family had it?"  I guess that's because of my own family history.  I sure don't look at someone and think "Oh, no wonder you got BC -- you're fat, you're a terrible eater, you don't exercise, you drink/smoke/whatever too much".

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited March 2011

    I hear you Linda, I didn't either, but the problem is that our peers are going to read more articles like this one and begin to place blame.

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited March 2011

    I did have a very close friend suggest to me that I caused my cancer due to an unresolved emotional issue.  I had no idea what the hell she was talking about.  She read it in a book.

    My God, Bren, that must have hurt. Ignorance is really, really hurtful sometimes. I had my sister tell me something along those lines about something else. Some people believe that if a book "says something" then it must be true, because it is in print. And if you say "no" they still don't believe you, because that first book is imprinted in their brain.

  • Chan_go_foill
    Chan_go_foill Member Posts: 50
    edited March 2011

    Off-topic: Thanks Kittymamma! I love it too, especially with a black backless evening dress!

  • DesignerMom
    DesignerMom Member Posts: 1,464
    edited March 2011

    This BC scare has brought my life into SHARP focus.  I totally "get" that this is not a dress rehearsal, this is the ONE life we have.  I am not wasting one precious minute worrying what ANYONE else is thinking, about why I got BC, or anything for that matter.  I am busy letting this life rip.  If you doubt that, come watch me singing Country Western songs at the top of my lungs when I am walking in the park!  My poor son went with me today.  Nothing like embarassing your kid.  I figure it's payback.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2011

    I hear you Linda, I didn't either, but the problem is that our peers are going to read more articles like this one and begin to place blame.

    BARBE - NO ONE said that...why is it that you all keep going back to the blame game instead of reading the scientific articles

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