Huffington Post article by Dr. Weiss
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There are many, many reputable sites that explore the abortion-breast cancer link and have concluded that there ISN'T one.
Here's just one conclusion, from one site (American Cancer Society):
The topic of abortion and breast cancer highlights many of the most challenging aspects of studies of human populations and how those studies do or do not translate into public health guidelines. The issue of abortion generates passionate viewpoints in many people. Breast cancer is the most common cancer, and is the second leading cancer killer in women (lung cancer is the first). Still, the public is not well-served by false alarms. At this time, the scientific evidence does not support the notion that abortion of any kind raises the risk of breast cancer.
If you have an anti-abortion agenda, that's fine. Just don't post your opinions as facts. Don't we all have enough to worry about without wading through misinformation?
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I am waving to Daisy too! Where is she hiding?
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Fearless One: I agree! Stupid birth control pills...
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To rubyeye: A series of statements with unsourced data do not a research study/studies make. I would rather not answer the second question (why I think it's political) or go on about this further in case I reach a level of sarcasm I regret.
Off to prove that the sky is blue...someone just said it's green....oops sorry, I'll shut up.
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FYI -- The American Association of Physicians and Surgeons (quoted by Rubyeye) has taken public stands against mandatory vaccination, universal healthcare, abortion, emergency contraception and social security. Acording to Wikipedia, it also publicly stated that candidate Obama was using a covert form of hypnosis during the 2008 Presidential campaign.
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I just like waving to her, in case she's reading.
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If I had to choose, it would be the birth control pills too. They were much stronger in our day.
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Lindasa....you are making that up!! Nobody could believe that stuff!
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Until they really know what is causing breast cancer, there is no way to truly prevent it. I didn't like this article for this reason. I nursed two children for a total of six years (three years each). It did nothing to prevent my breast cancer. I also never smoked and I don't drink. I make all our meals from scratch....I'm overweight but my cancer isn't driven by hormones. I am sure there are others on here who ended up with breast cancer who have lived very healthy lives...not very fair.
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Yeah, well, the Association isn't exactly mainstream! I mean, docs who disagree with mandatory vaccination obviously skipped their classes in public health and epidemiology in med school.....
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Wow, the world's just full of craisies. You never know when they'll pop up.
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When I read about studies done on breast cancer and the risk factors, I am regularly perplexed as most of the risk factors are when a certain age group, those who have taken certain drugs, prego or not prego ever etc... are established, they have found roughly 3+% of the people in these categories. In fact, I think it takes just 3% of the people dxd to create a risk factor. Furthermore, I never had children and did not want to. I have run a thread for 9 months and I am pretty sure every woman on that thread has kids and, in most cases, more than 1.
I think Dr. Weiss was a bit cavalier in attempting to establish that getting the disease is somehow avoidable and that perhaps people are bringing it on through behaviors. It was a ludicrous attempt at making people feel guilty for getting the disease and creating a false sense of security for those trying to avoid it. I wonder when they are going to poll women who have eaten correctly, exercised, maintained proper weight and STILL got bc? That would be an interesting poll but that poll might blow out of the water the notion that we control this disease. I mean did I miss something?! Does she know what causes bc? It seems a bit iconoclastic to attempt to establish all we know and do is wrong and that the train wreck that bc is could be avoided.
Maybe her next article should be on how those wild tsunamis can be avoided. I have a predilection for facts and don't like to tamper in fallaciousness. Such conjecture is an absolute anachronism in modern medicine.
I am disappointed in that article.
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Yes, it's definitely daisy.
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lizzymack1 wrote:
I think Dr. Weiss was a bit cavalier in attempting to establish that getting the disease is somehow avoidable and that perhaps people are bringing it on through behaviors.
Some breast cancer probably is avoidable, and could be prevented if people changed the behavior that is triggering it. Too bad at this point, science has only guesses at what those behaviors that could actually prevent breast cancer are. Educated guesses, but still guesses.
We know that hormones are involved in many breast cancers. Exactly how they are involved, and whether they trigger cancer causing changes in the breasts related to menstruation, or pregnancy, or nursing, or miscarriage/abortion or all of the above is subject to speculation until science learns more.
Eating well, getting adequate rest, keeping a "normal" weight, avoiding toxins, etc. are all well known to lead to better health overall, so there is no down side to encouraging women to follow those guidelines. No matter what actually causes cancer in a particular woman, being in the best possible health gives that woman her best chance to either avoid the cancer, or to survive the treatment.
The thing is, when it comes to breast cancer, there are no guarantees.
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Rubyeye:
"In February 2003, the National Cancer Institute (NCI) convened a workshop of over 100 of the world's leading experts who study pregnancy and breast cancer risk. Workshop participants reviewed existing population-based, clinical, and animal studies on the relationship between pregnancy and breast cancer risk, including studies of induced and spontaneous abortions. They concluded that having an abortion or miscarriage does not increase a woman's subsequent risk of developing breast cancer. A summary of their findings, titled Summary Report: Early Reproductive Events and Breast Cancer Workshop, can be found at http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/ere-workshop-report."
Also see World Health Organization (WHO) Induced abortion does not increase breast cancer risk .
I'll take what they say over what Rush Limbaugh or the groups you cited (who have no research to back up their theories).
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It's all a crapshoot. Look at all the different biographies of all of us diagnosed, including us skinny girls and those who lead healthy lives.
Daisy? Wondering what inspired your newest ID. Fixated on eyes lately. It saddens me,considering my dear friend, lv2cmp, had the eye avatar I was using before you played your childhood game and impersonated me. It's a big joke to you but she died from stage IV breast cancer almost a year and a half ago at only 41 years old. Too bad you have no compassion, or surely you'd understand.
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MaryNY - Amen to that! Well said!
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There are so many women in their 50's and 60's who partied their way from Woodstock to the 80's, into corporate America and are still bc-free. If there was a direct connection between eating what you wanted, drinking and doing drugs AND getting breast cancer, I could see casting aspersions on lifestyle. Until, however, there is something definitive, and the preponderance of lifetime partiers still have joined us, I would hate to have women being exposed to arbitrary doctrines about how eating right and exercising is going to save you because when you start prescribing what is going to save someone, unless you are a messiah, you are both placing blame and causing a false sense of security.
They don't know what is going to save us and they sure as hell don't know what is causing this so they, including Dr. Weiss, need to choose their words much more carefully. Women have enough to deal with. I am still surprised about this article. Especially a woman in a position of power like her. It is almost like this site is a sociological study and we have been found to be nutritional hedons and exercise rubes!
I am so tired of the eat right and exercise doctrine also like it is going to save us....we are eating worse, drinking more, some are exercising more, others less and living longer...what gives?
I go back to Guns N' Roses and their famous lyrics "they blame it on the cigarette but I can't see...tell me who you are gonna believe!!!"
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Patmom said: Eating well, getting adequate rest, keeping a "normal" weight, avoiding toxins, etc. are all well known to lead to better health overall, so there is no down side to encouraging women to follow those guidelines. True but, after all, there is no need to point out the obvious and CONNECT it to avoiding breast cancer. So said the woman who started this site. That is just plain wrong unless she is harboring the cure. I wonder if Michael J. Fox is convinced that eating right and exercising can avoid Parkinson's? Is eating right and exercising the new doppelganger for human equivalent of cures and avoidance of diseases that the medical community cannot or will not solve on their own? My father ate right and exercised his entire life and still died of lung cancer. What does his eating right and exercising put him in the seraph circle of having done the right thing and still died? It is all conjecture and don't hang the cause on something until you know everyone who has the disease has NOT done that thing and there is a cure.
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I agree with you 2tzus, thank you for saying it.
Dr. Weiss right now is also a sister who is fighting her own personal battle with breast cancer and she has my respect, support and best wishes.
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Who said about anything about being offended? When you wield power part of your responsibility is to choose your words carefully. I said disappointed and, yes, she does need to choose her words more carefully. When you are in a position of power you can't run your mouth without repercussions especially in such a polarizing manner.
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I take issue with using the word "prevention" when what is really meant is "risk reduction". There is no way to reduce a woman's risk of breast cancer to 0 and therefore prevent her from developing it. Science simply doesn't know enough about what causes/triggers breast cancer to develop. Implying that it can be prevented if women know more and live right is blaming the victim. Or perhaps it might better be described as denial that we do not have control over our destiny. My personal opinion is that Dr. Weiss is currently in denial that there was nothing she could have done to prevent herself from getting bc. If she wants to blame it on non-stick cookware, that's her business. In my case, no risk calcuator I've seen has put my risk of developing bc when I did at more than 1.5% (menarche at 14 (and every 36 days until I had kids, first kid at 25, 3 kids all breast-fed for 2 years, no birthcontrol pills, no hormone therapy, no alcohol, bmi under 26 all adult life, regular exercise since childhood, didn't use non-stick cookware, ate lots of fruits and vegetables, had migraines -- all these things that are linked with lower risk). So, I'm the one in 100. Someone always is. Perhaps it was triggered by toxins in the environment over which I have no control. Or perhaps it was triggered by whatever triggered bc in women 1000 years ago. At any rate, I could have reduced my risk, I suppose, but there is no way I could have prevented it.
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- what on earth did I say that shows I have no compassion? I was hoping to help by posting the MEDICAL STUDIES on abortion and law suits against doctors that didn't warn patients about the abortion link. It is pure science and you women are very hurtful. WHY would it ever be a big joke to anyone here with BC that someone died from it? And why would anyone "honor" a deceased BC member with a stupid EYEBALL ????
Reported Blah the Angel's post for very hateful coment
It's a big joke to you but she died from stage IV breast cancer almost a year and a half ago at only 41 years old. Too bad you have no compassion, or surely you'd understand.
THAT IS A TERRIBLE THING TO SAY TO SOMEONE !!!!!
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Huh??? "why would anyone honor a deceased BC member with a stupid EYEBALL ????" You better back off Daisy. The "eyeball" avatar I was using was from Ames caring bridge website and it had the very important message, "see a cure", on it. How could you call that stupid? How could you even ask me so rudely why I would '"honor" a deceased BC member with a stupid EYEBALL???? stupid .... eyeball??? Who the fuck are you to refer to my deceased friends avatar like that??? ' And WTF would you report my post???? Daisy, just go crawl back under the slimy rock you crawled out from. You are truly pathetic. Ames, I'm Sooooo sorry.
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Here we go again!
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sigh .... sometimes, I really wonder why I bother
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Rubyeye, your posts are not appreciated by many. Why don't you tone it down a bit. We don't want to hear about one-sided outdated studies.
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I thought you would!
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Then please look over the websites I listed with an OPEN mind. Their Breast Cancer Prevention Institute has numerous inks.
Some of the studies go back to 1958 when a link was established !!! This should make you all very angry, the information was kept from women.
To address my insensitivity to miscarriage - which I said over and over was not the same - here is an article which explains the hormonal difference
The ESTROGEN Connection:
Why induced abortions raise breast cancer risk-and most miscarriages don't:
The type of female sex hormone called estrogen, is the most potent stimulator of breast cell growth. In fact, the actions of most known risk factors for breast cancer are attributable to some form of estrogen overexposure.
In a normal pregnancy, the mother's ovaries begin producing extra estrogen within a few days after conception 38. The level of estrogen in her blood rises by 2,000% by the end of the first trimester-to a level more than six times higher than it ever gets in the non-pregnant state 39,40.
It is the undifferentiated cells in the breasts which estrogen stimulates to proliferate, so that there will be enough milk-producing tissue to feed the baby after birth. Only the undifferentiated cells are vulnerable to carcinogens, and can ultimately grow into cancer cells.
Importantly, during the last 8 weeks of pregnancy, other hormones differentiate these cells into milk-producing cells. In the process the growth potential-and cancer-forming potential-of these cells is turned off. That is why a full-term pregnancy lowers the risk of breast cancer later in life 41.
Therefore, if a woman who has gone through some weeks or months of a normal pregnancy chooses abortion, she is left with more of these cancer-vulnerable cells in her breasts than were there before she got pregnant, which raises her risk of breast cancer later in life.
In contrast, most pregnancies which abort spontaneously do not generate normal quantities of estrogen 39,40. Thus most miscarriages (at least 1st trimester miscarriages) do not raise breast cancer risk 36.Why can't anyone see I am trying to help your daughters, nieces, etc .......why such meanness? -
"ellen56" or whoever you really are ... do you not see how disrespectful another member was to a deseased sister which prompted my "awful profanity"??????? man, I wish people here would grow the fuck up. oooopppppssss, there I go again. It's just a word people! Why don't you look at what prompted it and be pissed off at that????
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