THE WIERD ZONE!!!!!!!!!
Hey sistah's,
So I am in this really wierd place. I'm not sure where I fit in. I feel pretty good, look pretty good.
On the outside no one would ever know what is going on inside my head. The guilt I feel over the
wierdest things. Like I have not worked out in 2 weeks OMG, the bc might come back, I better hop on the tred mill. Then there is, I had a glass of wine, or two at dinner and OMG here comes the guilt .Do I reconnect with my old friends who some what abandond me during the hardest time in my life, just realize that they were scared and could not deal. Maybe not, Should I join a support group
with cancer survivors, or just get on with my life! Thats what my mom and sister's would love me to do. Forget you had cancer it's gone your healed, don't be negative. I am not the same person I was before bc. The old me is not coming back. Honestly, I really don't want the old me back, I
like the new me better, I am a better person in ever way! However, I feel a bit lost, I mean it all gets done. You know, up in the morning with the kids, lunches , homework , dinner, shopping,
trying to go back to work, possibly selling our house. Life is moving forward, part of me wants to forget I ever lived the nightmare. We all have those reminders though don't we.
Stupid, pink bc commercials, please! Aches and pains from anti hormonals, or being post menopose at 42!!!! So I'm walking around in this body, but where does this body belong!
I just feel like I Can't relate to anyone, not even my closest friend, and her mom had bc.
Everyone is always saying, wow! you beat cancer, or you look so good, your such an insperation to me!!!!!
I am so glad to be an insperstion to all, it's great. I was in the PS office the other day, just sitting
there, I got my nipples put on, thats a whole other topic, tell you about that later!!! It's so interesting how he did it. Anyway there was a woman having some plastic surgery. She looks at me and said, I am so scared to have surgery, I have two kids and if anything ever happen to me it would be so unbearable for them. Then she said, you know what I mean? Oh I really do know what you mean!!!!!!!!!! The woman was chosing to go under the knife and telling me about fear!!
God help me say nice things, like it will be ok. Your in good hands, he's a great Dr. you will be fine.
I looked at the nurse who was looking at me rolling her eyes. Then before you know it the woman says, so what are you having done? Well, I am here for a re check on the new nipples they made me after having a bmx and loosing my old ones to bc. I felt kind of bad, I really should have been a little less open, it's not her fault I got bc!. The ladie starts balling, I swear! Crying like a baby!
Your so strong, how did you do it, YOU HAVE SUCH A
GREAT ATTITUDE, Blah, Blah, Blah!!!!!
What is wrong with me , I feel like I am in the twilight zone. Who am I? The poster child for bc?
Mom, Wife, Breast Cancer Survivor, do I sound angry? I really thought I had moved past this.
I need you sistah's , does anyone feel misplaced. I almost feel like I am having a mid-life crisis!
There's no time for that, I am to busy keeping bc at bay!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Sorry for the rant, no one else gets it! I don't even get it anymore, I guess I am tired of the poker face. The I'm doing fabulous face!! I feel guilty for even saying that! Did I mention I'm catholic,
LOL!! Guilts a problem for me I guess.(just kidding) its not from being catholic. I think I just wish I knew it was over for good, never to be seen again, that I could deal with. I know nobody
has true control over there life, I don't need to have that, I just need to feel some control over my life, and lately I REALLY don't. Geeezzzzz, I sound like a crazy person!!!! Sorry, just expressing myself I guess. Hey free theropy right?
Thanks for always being there cyber sister's
Love to all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Stephanie
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I love it. Can I clone you and you can be me for a day?
Especially love the bit about "you have such a great attitude". I never know what to say so I'm usually too polite. How do they know what our attitude is and where we would like to put it.
Hope this starts off a good thread.
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faithful heart, that is me in a nutshell!! 100%! and i am 29 so it seems even harder to get past certain remarks ,like YOURE SO YOUNG! geez i haven't heard that one about a zillion times! and i have issues with guilt too. especially with the drinking thing. oh yeah, i'm catholic too
, haha!! but in all seriousness, i do relate to you and your post!
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OMG... what a great post.
You have said everything i have been feeling.
I have lymphoedema and when people say what happened to your arm, i have great delight in seeing their expression when i tell them it is from breast cancer treatment . Nasty i know, but i can't help it... if they are rude enough to ask a complete stranger something like that, then i'm rude enough to watch them back peddle when they don't know what to say to my answer.
And you are so right... no one gets it!
I was told the other day that i am an inspiration... WHAT!
I don't want to be an inspiration, i just want my old life back.
Any way, thanks for the great post... i'm sure many will relate to it.
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Someone gets it! We do. Yes, I feel weird all the time. People put up a facebook 'BC awareness' status and want me to make it my status. Like it's something I need to be aware of, as if other women aren't already aware of it.
Post this if you know someone with cancer...
Post this to show you know how badly they want a cure...
Are they trying to win points for being compassionate? It just adds to how very ABNORMAL I feel. I AM abnormal with my prickly flat chest and scars and endless hot sweats and fear of every ache or odd symptom, but it's also the loneliness of other people not realising it's not all over just because the big treatments are over.
Some BC women might love those FB campaigns but they aren't for me.
Life will never be normal again.
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Great post! I use to never ever call off sick. Today, just because I feel like I need a "me" day I called off. There is a chance of losing my job but it pales incomparison to how much I need to take a day to rest my weary worried mind. Having had cancer is a lonely journey.
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OMG! This is so me...except, I'm not Catholic! I feel like I'm having a mid-life crisis too and used these very words last week when I was talking to my DH. I had a cashier asked me just a couple days ago, I had my scarf on my head, "so, you been in the hospital or something", I said, "you could say that", he says, "so what's up", I said "well not my breast since I lost them to bc" I couldn't believe I said it but it just came rolling out of me before I knew what I was saying. His rude a** then said, "my dad had hogkins lymphoma and the funnest part was the day he lost his eyebrows, he rubbed them and the hair just fell out, it was so funny" I don't even know what people are thinking when they try to relate to us, seriously what are they thinking.
I'm having the hardest time, I'm doing rads now and then my oorph, so tx is coming to an end and all I can think of is what now? I'm not the same person either and I do like the new improved me minus the aches and pains. But feel I'm so suppose to be doing something more meaningful with my life, like feeding the homeless or something. My DH says I'm putting way to much thought into this and putting to much pressure on myself. I don't know whether to go back to my old job, go back to school, be a stay at home mom or open a restaurant that's for sale near me. I'm all over the place!! I'm the same way playing the what if game, if I knew it was never coming back then I could go back to school but if it will then I need to stay at home and be with my kids. I mean I love even the fact I want to do these things considering a few months ago I didn't think I was not going to see Dec. but geez. Damn you cancer, you took my breast now you're making me lose my mind!!
Went to a cookout this weekend and drank several and it felt great! I had a night of not thinking about cancer for once, I felt like the old me again. Then the next day the guilt showed it's ugly face. Seriously, what is wrong with me...can I not have a few drinks without guilt & wondering about the whole alcohol/estrogen debate.
Great post, glad to know I'm not alone, sorry I went on a bit of a rant...cheers, to free therapy!!!
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I could have written this myself. Last night, I felt soo overwhelmed with financial worries of the future. Between my husband and I, we have a consolidated student loan that is close to 82,000 (I know, too much detail). This is from deferring it for soo long so I could be a stay at home mom. We have never had enough money to pay the damn thing. Then two months before I got diagnosed, I lapsed on the term life insurance I had paid for nearly ten years. It was protection to pay off that student loan and the mortgage in case something happened to one of us. The kids had started school, my husband has a good job and I was going to go back to work....no worries. Well, I was wrong about the worries there. Wrong, wrong, wrong. Never thought in a million years I would end up with cancer. Never..... I will not be able to get it re-instated now. This eats away at me all day long. What if I die? My husband will never be able to pay that loan off alone. I was supposed to go back to work. The thought of not being able to bring in income and leaving my husband and children in a huge financial mess is almost unbearable. It gets even more complicated. I am trying to get an IBR student loan payment set up. This will be based on a family of four and my husbands income. If I die, even though my part of the loan will still have to be paid (and it is much larger than my husbands), I will no longer count. We will be a family of three then! I am finding this screw up and the other screw up of not getting a mammogram at 40 almost unbearable. Then add everything you have just written to that. I have no choice but to survive. But as we all know, cancer could care less. Cancer doesn't care if you have young children, or if your a single parent, or if you lapsed on your life insurance! I know this is highly, highly negative. And I do not always feel this way. I do have hope. But, I am fresh out of treatment and terrified. Having a lot of trouble here. Tired of all the "you are soo brave"....."everyone is saying how amazed they are at how well you've handled this" Yes, life went on as it was exactly really. My kids barely noticed anything was going on life was soo normal for them. I got flowers from my family on the last day..."Aren't you happy it's over!" "time to celebrate".....Outside, I am happy, cheerful, positive. Inside, I am falling apart. My marriage is also not in a good place. There has been a lot of disappointment, feeling let down, feeling like I have gone through this alone. And I am not the same old me either. First of all, I look a lot older. I have lost the nice skin I used to have probably due to lower estrogen from chemopause.My hair is growing back gray. I have aches and pains in my knees. I have no energy. And to top it off I have a massive headache today. I can't even have a normal headache any more without "that" being in my head as well. Well, please forgive me. I am very sorry to be soo negative. I am just venting as well. So please don't yell at me! I know things could be worst. I know that it is time to start living now. Living more than I was living before breast cancer and in this way, it can be seen as somewhat of a, dare I say....gift. Or is that what I am SUPPOSED to be thinking now.....oh....urghhhh......well I just need to sign off now.....If only I could remember if I already took two Excedrin for this headache...
Sorry to rant about the student loan......
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You're so right. It is the weird zone.
Most people don't even realize I had cancer. Maybe my wig was perfect match or maybe I'm just invisible. But when they do find out, the responses I find most irritating are "you aren't a statistic". Ok, somebody is. Or if someone is especially rude and asks what my prognosis is, I'll sometimes respond with "not good" and I had a reply of "... with the time you have left." I know it's my problem, but I can't stand the overly optimistic or dire reactions. There's no way to win with me - at least with the world beyond these boards.
My dh and are starting to plans to build a new house. The guilt is incredible. Should I restate that there is a good chance I won't be around to help pay it off? Yet I don't want to leave my girls in the tiny, falling down around us house we currently inhabit.
I am cautiously optimistic, and I'm definitely not wanting spread doom and gloom to other Stage III gals. But as Stage IIIC, with internal mammary nodes, family history that suggests mutated gene, and a bunch of other nasty stuff I mentally blocked off from my path report, I know it will take something of a miracle.
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Wow, I had no idea my post was soo long.....Let me know if you need my address to send the therapist bill to......not that I'll ever be able to pay it.....
I am really liking these little face and here's one more face thingy
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Oh Girls,
it's ok for us to rant and rave!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! We have earned it and we get it! Jenny, I love the comment to the guy in the store, good for you!!! Listen, last night I needed to rant and thats just the way it is. We all understand each others fears. We all know that we have good days, and then there are days that are very bad. We have good medicine, truth be told, I believe in my heart, we will be on here as little old ladies, still ranting and raving!!!! This does not mean we are not being positive, it means we are being truthful! Look, most of us have kids, some are older, some are younger,
we get up everyday and we do what we need to do. Lets face facts, there are just days we feel
ripped off and pissed off!! ! And I believe it's healthy and ok for us to feel that way, I am thanking God for all of you today, This is our safe place, we get it, we understand, and it's free!!!
I feel better already, and no bill at the end. WE ALL HAVE PLENTY OF THOSE.
Clariceak, you build that house guilt free, and make sure there's a porch, with a rocking chair on
it!!!! ! You need a place to sit when your 80, so you can write and tell us of all your aches and pains!!LOL, This is the rant room!!
Love you all so much!!
We are strong amazing woman!!! Don"t ever forget it!!!
God bless everyone today!!!!!!
Thanks for all your response, I love thaat I'm not alone, it helps soooooo much!
HUGSSSSS
Steph
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Here's what I found: life comes back. Not completely your old life because you have many more doctor appointments than before. You stop feeling guilty over that glass of wine and just think of how delicious it is. You feel a little sluggish and realize you haven't exercised...so you get up a little earlier the next day to run or park a little further from the store door so you walk more.
But you do stop beating yourself up for having had cancer. And that's what you're doing with the guilt and the anger. It's like getting on with life after a close person has died; we're filled with guilt that we are still living, but at some point we do get over it and enjoy our lives again.
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Nancy - needing your words....
Steph - could have written that too. 43, three kids, people saying "I want to walk for you (komen)..." really? What the hell? "You are my inspriration." Really, why? Ughh \
I want to feel the joy and happiness that I felt bubbling through when i used to laugh...again.
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Dear Faithfulheart,
I really needed to read your post right now. I have been absolutely feeling this way. I'm also getting the "you look so good" --- or they tell me how much better I look ---hmmm, I thought you were saying months ago how good I looked -- liar. One women asked me how I was feeling and when I said fine she said "oh, that's the thing about cancer. You don't really know cause you feel fine." Geesh, thanks. I really needed that. Why are we having this conversation??
Yesterday DH, kids and I are at the grocery store and another mom asked my husband what we are doing for spring break (which is in the middle of April). My DH says we may be going down to Denver. I'm about two aisles over and she comes running up to me asking are you okay?? Your husband says you have to go to Denver!! Caught me off guard and I have to try and center myself. The polite part of me is saying thanks for asking, but I'm fine. My thought bubble is why are you assuming the worst? Do you know something I don't know? Why are you reminding me of something that haunts me day in day out?
I feel so screwed up right now. Maybe it's the stars aligning. My brother (whom I love dearly) just had a colonoscopy and found out he's fine. I cried and called my husband sobbing why am I the only one in my family whose life is ruined??? How horrible is that??!! God, I don't even recognize myself anymore. I don't recognize the emotions, feelings. I can't get a handle on the constant fear and I sure don't recognize myself physically. I used to have long hair and felt I was pretty and healthy. Now I've got growing out chemo hair (for which I should be thankful -- my Catholic guilt) and feel washed up and ugly. Oh, yeah I know exactly how you feel about the guilt when you don't exercise or eat properly. I used to feel the guilt before, but now my life could depend on exercise and proper nutrition so the guilt is 100 fold.
I better end here. Hugs, Rachel
Diagnosis: 5.2010, IDC 4.5, ER+, Brca 2+ and lymph nodes.
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I have felt so alone through all this, and i never thought anyone else felt exactly like me!! and you all have made me feel better!! i started crying after reading these posts. not cause i was sad, but cause i was thinking "finally, someone understands me! someone understands the guilt factor!" i have beraded myself with guilt through chemo, cause most of the time, i was feeling fine enough to go out with my husband and chill out with a few beers a couple nights a week. only thing that works to calm my nerves. and then BAM! i would immediately regret it, thinking i screwed up my chemo in some way (never drank day before, of , or day or two after) and was making cancer come back. uh! no one understands. not even the beloved husband. i was crying earlier cause my last chemo is tomorrow. and while yes i am super excited, i am super nervous. cause this is it baby! if the chemo didn't work, then i it's fast forward to stage iv, or more chemo. and i won't really know anything till after rads. so this summer. i think i should just try to stay happy about tomorrow. but any rate, i went crying to him about that fear, and he just looked at me all strange. had no idea what to say, or how to react. love him to absolute death, and he has taken all this in pretty well considering, but he is one that thinks once chemo and rads are done, it's all done. like the flu or something....
ugh!!!!
any kind words or cheerleading would be so appreciative right now! and thanks for listening!!!!
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Omg, that is me too! I so could have written this post! 40, catholic, mom
of 3, with a mind that doesn't stop with the guilt over everything. Guilt over everything I eat, drink, not eat, not drink, guilt that maybe it was my fault I got BC, guilt, guilt, guilt. It never stops. It hurts looking at old pictures of me, it hurts seeing things/people that remind me
of my old life, it hurts thinking of what I lost - breasts, innocence, free flowing
happiness - it hurts hearing what other people say to me. When will it stop? Honestly, I don't know. It helps being around people who don't know I had cancer - like at my new job and neighborhood - but sometimes I get self conscious and wonder whether they know I don't have any breasts (no reconstruction yet for me) when they look at me or hug me...
In any case, at least you know you're not alone in your thoughts!!! We are all in this together, supporting each other to move forward and enjoy life the best way we can. -
Oh, just another guilt-ridden Catholic girl here, also fed up with the word "inspiration" - no, wait, "inspire" - no wait, "role model"...or "well, if you're going to get cancer, breast cancer is the best kind" (oh jeez! I didn't realize I won the f(*^&ing lottery!)Stephanie, as usual, your post is right on.
I get so wound up about what I eat..before I opened your post, I was actually excoriating myself for eating half a Hershey's bar (and a burger from Five Guys, but that's another story). Then I would remind myself I did vigorous yoga today, and took my Arimidex, drank lemon water, blah blah etc etc. Jesus, it gets old! My onc is always (gently) telling me to relax about this stuff.
Anyway, as the other gals have said: it's normal. We've been to hell and back. But we are HERE! and we have each other to "get it" when no one else (no matter how much we love them, and them us) does.
hugs to all you fabulous women-
janyce
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oh and Rachel, I get that. i think resentment is also part of the process. A few of my cousins have been tested for the BRCA gene and all are positive, but zippity do dah! They get to have a head start on avoiding (hopefully) cancer, where I tripped along the path of life and..well, you know the rest. I am so PISSED OFF sometimes they get the chance I didn't take/screwed up/didn't consider etc. And I love them dearly.
anyway, we can talk about it here.
x9
janyce
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(((Stephanie)))...in my world, the words Catholic and guilt are intechangeable.
NancyD...I'd be enjoying that next glass of wine a little more than usual because of your post
hdangelbaby...congratulations, you're almost done with chemo...hang in there...I found rads sooooo much easier than chemo...take care...
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great post!
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Dear Faithfulheart and friends
I have tears in my eyes as I read your posts which express my feelings exactly, which I could not write about so eloquently. I am still having chemo but have the same worries about the future, loss of my former life and needing to do everything I can to position myself for a healthy future.
Apart from the healthy lifestyle measures, there are 3 things I am doing to as much as possible deal with all the negative thoughts and emotions -
1. I am seeing a psychologist with whom I can talk about these things and hopefully learn strategies and techniques to deal better with it all. I am thinking these sessions will continue for many months.
2. I try to think positively about my prognosis (easier said than done I know) by focussing on my doctor's optimism and the favourable stats for my stage (though I know there are no guarantees).
3. I rely on my faith to seek healing and direction in my life.
And I pray for all of us every day. Thank you all for your wonderful posts. -
faithfulheart - you go girl!!! I read your post at my lunch break and it kept me smiling n working hard the rest of the day! Thank you - I feel the same! (then I feel guilty too, as people have been so amazingly wonderful to me, prayers, gifts, food, financial help, fabulous Dr.'s (well except for the 1st one - I ditched him) and nurses - I am so blessed, so I feel really, really guilty when I admit that I feel like you do!) I hate hearing how good I look (I look like crap) and above all - i HAAAATTEEE those freaking pink ribbons! If one more person speaks of or sends me anything about a stupid marathon or anything else beyond just donating - I am going to come unglued and tell them that they should have sent the $ to a local cancer center that directly helps people in the area, and that all that time and money and wasted work organizing etc for a "team" for a stupid "race" they should have spent volunteering at a local shelter, or helping with a Habitat build, or just go visit an elderly neighbor and see what you can do for them - arghh!
Anyhow, on serious note, I agree - I do not want all of the 'old me' back - I am a better (albeit grumpier) person, and I truly think people just don't get it that we cannot 'just forget it and go back to our old selves' - not that I have a clue as to what we should be doing, but back to our old selves is not it.
God Bless you and yours, and thanks again for the post - fantastic!
Need to leave this for another laugh - this is on the Aug 2010 chemo thread by Lizzymack - hysterical!:
" I totally forgot to tell you guys about my uncomfortable experience with 2 a-holes (remember I live in Connecticut!) last night! I went out with a baseball cap on and a Baby Phat coat I purchased online, by accident, and it would have cost me too much to return! In any case, it has one of those detach hoods with the fake fur around it and for that reason I thought it would be hide the back of my head and I could wear a baseball cap. Well, these 2 pretentious jokers, in their 40's, must have been liquored up. They were sort of next to me as I was waiting in line at a Mobil station. The guy kept looking at me out of the corner of his eye (I have good peripheral) as I guess he was trying to figure out what was off about me. Of course, someone had to be playing a butt load of lotto to make matters worse. Finally I just took the damn hat off! The woman said "is that the latest fashion?!!!"....not joking! To which I replied "no, but you must be the latest brand of a$$hole!" She was apologetic both for her quaffing and for making fun of my lack of a natural coif! Unbelievable. My lack of hair is of zero concern to me but I guess, for some reason, people must really let their appearance be what defines them. It is really weird how attached they are to their hair and can't believe that someone else would be ok without it, albeit temporarily. My only problem with it is I get cold and I don't like people staring...obviously!"
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Stephanie.....well said!!!! Now I need to go back and read all the other posts.....
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Thanks for a great read today....love to you all... I really believe we are sisters!!!!!
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((((STEPHANIE))),
I'll keep my response short and to the point---you will totally understand:
DITTO to your post (except the experience in the PS office).
You hit the nail right on the head. Dont' beat yourself up. I'm right here with you!
Sharon
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this is me, plain and simple.
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Love this thread - right there with you! I've been on a major guilt trip the last few days and need to let it GO!
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Wow! What a great post! Ok.... this is me to the tee! Reading all these posts.... we are all feeling the same way!Everything to the finest detail.......Nobody " Gets It".... but us gals! Hugs to all XOXO
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In the last 23 years my husband had a heart attack, bypass surgery, a stroke, and prostate cancer. Last December I thought he was a goner but they put a stent in and he is back driving his monster SUV. He never stopped buying cars (he holds a record I am sure), taking trips and pretty much doing whatever he wanted. I thought he was selfish but now I have every intention of emulating him.
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LOL, Me too, let's have fun NOW!
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Awesome post. Crying now in the weird zone. I sooo get it. Actually had such a hard time dealing with the Catholic guilt I switched over to a non-denominational church for some well needed self-forgiveness. God is good even in the "weird zone".
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