Radiation reccom.for 1 node and BMX?
I'll meet with a rad. Dr. next week, but I hope someone here can give me their view/experience with radiation. I want to do all I can to avoid recurrence, so I'm prepared for the Dr. to possibly suggest rads. I'm concerned, though, since I've had AC and will continue Herceptin, which are both hard on the heart and the rads would be near my heart, too. Thanks for your help!
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Joanne,
I was a stage IIb and fought tooth and nail to not have radiation. I was lucky that my BS was fighting along me for it. The "standard care" for me was recommending full axillary lymph node dissection and radiation. My BS went for a level I only ALND, and when it came back clear, fought in the board meeting to spare me the radiation. He was of the opinion that if my other lymph nodes were clear, radiation wouldn't benefit me much, and could bring in many SE's that would affect very seriously my quality of life. Not to talk about the raised risk for lymphedema. It is true that I am not Her2 positive like you are.
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Joanne58 - I am in a similiar situation. Cancer was on the left side and I am currenting doing DD AC+T for chemo. I had a BMX, 2 sentinel nodes positive. Everything else was clear. I did not have ALND since I was clinically node-negative before surgery and had only a 9% probably of additional lymph node involvement. My Surgical Onc, MedOnc., and my second opinon MedOnc all feel that I don't need to do radiation to my chest wall. My MedOnc thinks I should consider radiation for the axilla only. However, the Radiation Oncologist says that their 'standard of care' requires them to radiate both the chest wall and axilla. So now I in the process of getting a second radiation opinion, and having the first Radiation Oncologist take my case to the tumor board because I am open to radiation of the axilla (although it increases the risk for lymphedema), but not open to to radiation of my chest. Unfortunately I was not able to have the OncoType test because my insurance would not pay for it since I had a positive node. So I am missing that one piece of info on chances of recurrance based on the results of that test. I am also 100% ER/PR positive so I will be taking Tamoxifin to cut off the supply of food in case the cancer tries to come back.
Definitely het at least two opinions from different radiation oncologist. If you are being treated at a Cancer Center then get the other opinion for a radiation specialty clinic, because my understanding is that sometimes the large cancer centers have the same 'standard of care' and you definitely want an opinion from a different respectable perspective, so do a little homework on a where to get a good second opinion from.
Bottom line for me will be, if they will not exclude the chest wall from the radiation, then I will not undergo radiation and put my heart at additional risk because I don't think the risk to my heart will be a benefit with the pathology of my cancer. Hopefully they will let me radiate the axilla only, but if not, I am OK with no radiation, it was just going to be that little extra insurance, but even that little extra insurance is not a 100% guarantee. I think my lifestyle changes, i.e., diet and exercise, may play a bigger role in preventing a recurrance.
Please let us know why you decide. Good luck and sending good thoughts your way.
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Day and ProudMom_Wife--thanks so much for giving me your experiences, thus far, and important opinions. I feel better about going into my rad. appt. on the 18th, armed with your thoughtful advice.
I also have pectis excavatum (caved-in chest), so this may play into the rad. Dr.'s recommendation. I've avoided LE, so far, due to my surgeon stopping at just the SNB. My size and misshappen chest lead her to believe that if she went for the ALND, it would cause LE I'll return and report next week re the rads.
Glad things worked well for you, Day, and hope for the best for you, ProudMom_Wife!
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Joanne58 - have you decided on Rads?
Got my second opinion. And I was really impressed with the RO. The other one was good too, but kept sticking with the standard of care. This one talked about what my odds were with sticking with the cookbook , not sticking with the cookbook, and recreating my own recipe. So I am going with him and radiating my superclavical and axilla lymph nodes only.
Basically since I had 2 positive, did not have ALND, and my pathology regarding the chest area was good, he said he thought it was OK not to radiate my chest wall. However he really wanted me to radiate the superclavical and axilla. He said the method he would use would be to radiate from above the collar bone and then aim towards the axilla. He will probably nick my lung, won't be able to tell until I have a CT Scan, but that since I was otherwise healthy and it should not impact my way of life since I am not a high performing athlete. It will impact me, but not in a debilitating way.
He said the main reason to treat the lymph nodes in my case is because if I got a recurrance in the lymph nodes the odds are by the time they detected it I would be Stage IV, because I was clinically node negative until I had the surgery, no one felt or saw that the lymph nodes had cancer, and I had 9mm in one lymph node and 7mm in the other. Even though chemo has really improved, there are not enough studies supporting skipping radiation in my instance, which I knew. So he was a good salesman for Rads in my case and I will be starting rads mid-May.
Edited to correct the measurements in the lymph nodes. Oops.
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I was node negative but you might find my story interesting.
I thought for sure I was going to have Rads due to the size and location of my tumor. 5.5cm (not including the DCIS part) and in the posterior region left breast. I too was concerned about the heart. My BS thought for sure I would have Rads.
My PS said there are so many things to consider now regarding who should and shouldn't get rads that he can't even keep up with it any more. My rad onc said in my case she didn't recommend it because I had/have such aggressive treatment that she didn't seen any need to put further stress on my body. I think the fact that I would also be on hormone suppression therapy for 5 years as well as herceptin for a year might have played into the equation. I did 6tx of Taxotere/Carboplatin/Heceptin as well.
I'd be curious to hear what your rad onc decides.
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Yep--I'm having rads, dang it! Tumor board members all agreed--its benefit outweighs risk.
Thanks for your latest update, ProudMom. Sounds like you made a wise decision. I'll have the axilla and chest radiated, but nothing above the supraclavic. I may see you on a "starting rads" thread, then we can whine together and celebrate when it's done!
Thanks for your input, lago--I appreciate your experience and research on cancer subjects. I've been feeling so much better since chemo and my hair is slowly coming back, very similar to yours. Just wish I could move on to hormone therapy w/the current Hercep. infusions like you, but I'm now convinced the rads are necessary, just to be sure. I had only 1mm clear margin next to my chest wall, so I think that helped push me to agreeing to rads. I was still borderline, knowing how I'm risking lung and heart damage due to my pectis excavatum (caved-in chest), but the rad onc. took a whole week to do the mapping and consulted with experts on just how to do it the safest way possible.
Now I'm thinking about robbing my mom's closet--taking her stash of mu-mus from the 1960-70s. Gotta wear something REALLY blousey for the next month and risk dealing with people thinking I'm pregnant...at 52
(Hey, I've seen those shows on TLC--it could happen!)
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Joanne58 - I remember mu-mus! My mom use to wear them too!
It sounds like you have a good RO. I know it was a tough decision. I struggled with it, but once I made the decision I felt so much better and feel that it was the correct decision for me and have no second thoughts. Now I just have to get finished with chemo and reconstruction before I can start rads. Have to reconstruct before hand because one of my TEs is pushing out at the incision. RO said the radiation should not impact the reconstructed breast, so hopefully that will be the case. If not, I don't care at this point, I just want to beat this crappy cancer.
I will look for you over on the Rads boards soon.
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