Huffington Post article by Dr. Weiss
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Designermom - Read the John Rock article when you have some time.
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Ladies:
Thanks for a great discussion. I want to make a few points:
1. Although I suspect Dr. Weiss means well, her article does smack of "blame the victim" - and I wonder if she is feeling guilty and still working through her own issues relating to her BC. And I agree that her booklet is pretty void of new or helpful information. So you wonder why did she bother?
2. I wish that she and other BC leaders would focus instead on finding a CURE. I am getting so tired of all of this other happy-talk about yoga and prevention when for God's sake, we need a focused effort for a cure. Even the debate about who should get mammograms is dancing around the edges of the issue. Somsone said that the Komen organization spends less than 30% of their funds on actually researching cures. If that's true, we should all boycott them until they change their funding goals. The recent book about cancer, The Emperor of All Maladies, points out that only in the last 10 years, has science understood the biological and genetic makeup of cancer. A cure was not possible 30 or 40 years ago, but today it is. I for one, am not going to give any money to any organization that is not pushing for a cure NOW.
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The risk of breast cancer for those who didn't have kids before age 30-35 is actually very low from what I have read but yes I guess every little bit helps. Also the more kids you have the more you lower your risk.
Bottom line is if they really don't know what causes breast cancer there is no guarantee that reducing all your risks will prevent a person from getting breast cancer. So many of us here are living proof of that.
I still say stress is a huge part of it. I think other cultures are less stressed or know how to deal with it better. I remember reading an article about India last year saying as more and more people enter middle class lifestyles (work styles) more are getting stress related diseases like heartburn and gerd.
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Iago the point isn't your weight, but being without a period for as long as possible. Because her daughter was lean, she didn't get her period young. The article is about having as few periods as possible. I believe in third world countries when they are either pregnant, nursing or too unhealthy to have a period, that drives down the bc occurrence. Nothing to do with what you do or don't eat, weigh or don't weigh, just how FEW periods you have. Perhaps that new contraception that has you only having 4 periods per year will be the prevention that is needed.
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Great discussion, ladies! I read both articles and my stance is the same as before I read them...there is never going to be a simple answer for cancer.
Each woman is born with a genetic makeup that may or may not predispose her to getting any manner of disease, including breast cancer. Toss in environmental factors such as the air, earth, water and food we are exposed to during our formative years, and when we get our periods (all of which we have no control over).
Add in lifestyle choices we make as an adult (often without realizing their long-term implications): to have kids or not, to breast feed, to take birth control pills, to drink, to exercise, to maintain a healthy weight, to smoke, to eat clean food, to live in an unpolluted place, to take HRT, etc., etc. Not to mention life's psychological stressors - difficult relationships, financial woes, loved ones dying or falling ill, unemployment, loneliness, tyrannical bosses... All these factors lower our resistance and make our bodies fight that much harder to fend off disease, including those sneaky, stinkin' wayward cancer cells.
Now throw in whatever higher power you personally believe in (or not) and how this may or may not influence the course of your life, and what have you got? Quite a cosmic soup.
We are all just floating in a sea of unknowns on a tiny little lifeboat, hoping that the right conditions exist for us to get to shore unscathed. We paddle the way others have told us to paddle; we carry a compass to stay on course; we keep our boat well maintained and stocked with essentials; we become expert swimmers in case we're thrown overboard. Yet we *still* cannot control the power of the ocean.
Besides, none of us will make it to shore anyway, because we *all* are going to die. It's just a matter of how long we get to ride the wave. (For cancer patients, that wave is a tsunami!)
I don't think having babies, going organic, meditating and running a 5K every weekend will keep cancer from knocking on your door if it has your address.
The answer to cancer lies in finding a way to stop normal cells from going haywire and replicating in the first place.
That's my story and I'm stickin' to it!
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Lago,
Having kids lowers risk for hormone receptor positive BC. It increases the risk for triple negative BC. If you never were pregnant you have a 40 percent lower risk of TNBC. http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/02/110224145643.htm
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Rennasus -- That's the best sum-up I've ever seen! Thank you!
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Interesting posts. If I had $1000 in my hand right now and you made me place a bet, my money is on genetic.
Sling99: I agree. One of the best things my first Onc did was to stop me dead in my tracks with the "blame game". There's no way for me to really know what caused my cancer or if it was something I did. It is what it is - my general focus has been to keep my eye on the ball and live with quality for as long as possible - its worked for most of my 4 1/2 years with BC.
Toni30: I agree with you about these cancer organizations. What are they doing with this money? First, they get "survivors" and their families to get their own sponsors and fund raise for free and turn what amounts to billions over to these organization. Since I've had to change chemo's recently, I've been keeping a close eye on cancer drugs coming on and then back off the market - all the hype and then the let down. I hope that's not what they are spending money on.
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And how exact are the numbers from the third world countries?
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To me hrf's post says it all and in plain language.
Sandy
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The scientists go into the third world countries wondering why the bc numbers are lower. Of course, early death rates would be number one! But this late period concept is coming to the forefront. Then the constant pregnancy and nursing blocks ovulation for more years. We have an average of 400 periods. They only have 100 over the same amount of years! The first look was for ovarian cancer, but then they realized they had low bc as well. It was a good article after all voraciousreader, as I seem to be quoting it a fair bit! LOL
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Heidihill thanks for the link. I didn't know that about triple negative.
I also read somewhere that being thin as a kid actually increases your risk of breast cancer.
http://www.businessweek.com/lifestyle/content/healthday/638157.html
Until the know what actually causes breast cancer it is going to be very difficult to prevent.
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My husbands aunt just died from BC 12 yrs after her MX. She had no radiation and no Chemo. Her choice. She married and had 5 children one right after the other staring in her early 20's. She breast fed every one for at least 6 months. She didn't drink. Ate organic whenever possible and wasn't DX until she was in her 60's. Im sure we all could find someone who is an exception to what ever theory is out there. Early DX and immediate treatment is the ammunition we have right now. Prevention is great if you know what to do to prevent this disease but I bet that there is alot more to the genetic aspect of this than we know about.
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Amen, snowbird! My thoughts exactly.
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Lindasa: Thanks and your welcome! ;-)
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Rennasus, I also loved your summation! Excellent job!
Here's my take on Dr. Weiss & the Huffington Post Article...Dr. Weiss was my mom's radiation oncologist 7 years ago and thankfully my mom's BC was caught very early, she had Mammosite radiation treatment when it was in its infancy stages & she is currently doing very well. Both my mom & my dad found Dr. Weiss to be the most kind, caring, compasssionate, sensitive, completely interested in my mom as the patient, dr. that either one of them has ever been to in their lifetime (my dad is a 10 year survivor of 7 heart bypasses...Between the two of them, my parents have had a lot of interaction with medical professionals). Two years ago when I needed a hysterectomy my ob/gyn here in Ohio called Dr. Weiss to inquire about my mom's BC & to speak with her about the possibility of me being able to keep my ovaries. These 2 women (my ob/gyn & Dr. Weiss) had a great phone call & decided that based on my mom's type of BC, as well as me testing negative for the BRCA gene 6 months prior, that I should be able to keep my ovaries provided they looked healthy during surgery.
I have just read the Huffington Post article by Dr. Weiss. I can't imagine that there is an ounce of blame & shame that Dr. Weiss was intending for any of us in her words. To me, it's kind of a, "When we know better, we do better", as far as taking good care of ourselves, etc. Even if each of us does everything possible to take really good care of ourselves, there are so many things that we have been exposed to as young children when our breasts were developing (Gosh, when I was young in the '60's & '70's every plane or restaurant that I entered had blue air from people smoking!....I have absolutely no control over being exposed to that earlier in my lifetime!)
I realize that each of us can read the same words & each of us can come away with something different. My family's and my experience with Dr. Weiss' professionalism and personal compassion for her patients leads me to take away that she didn't mean to come off blaming anyone for getting BC. None of us can control everything that we have been exposed to in our lifetime. However, maybe if we know better, we can all do a little better for ourselves and our loved ones to follow. If it reduces any form of illness or disease, that is a very good thing for all of us.....Lisa
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I'd still like to know why she didn't mention her OWN breast cancer and what she thought she could have done to "prevent" it. Maybe it was an older piece?
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Barbe - I don't want to trivilize this conversation, but I remember years and years ago when I took my oldest son to his pediatrician to discuss a flatulance problem that he was having, and all the doctor spoke about was HIS flatulance problem and the foods that caused HIS problem. I think most doctors are trained NOT to discuss their own personal health issues with their patients. Likewise, I think they are also trained to withhold outbursts, like "Oh my!" in front of their patients when they see bad lab reports. I think it comes under the heading of "Professionalism." Getting back to the pediatrician, he's my cousin, through marriage, so I guess he felt comfortable talking about his problem. For the record, we didn't.
Glad you enjoyed the Malcolmn Gladwell article, John Rock's Error. It certainly made me do a lot of thinking.
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Frankly, this article reminds me of advice directed toward women about energy conservation. We are advised to turn off the stovetop a minute or two before completing cooking to conserve energy. Meanwhile industry waste energy on a grand scale.
I'm expected to take baby steps for cancer prevention and health maintaince while .5 miles from my home an injection well for toxic waste from gas well fracking will enter the water table. Our water supply. Your water supply as shale formations are discovered and fracked nation wide.
It's patronizing as all get out for us to do micky mouse actions while we're overwhelmed with toxic compounds as a result of industry. Are we supposed to feel better? More engaged?
The collusion of Stonybrook and bco will be swell for both of their bottom lines. Some good will come out of their marketing scheme as women are well served on bco and it's profile will be raised.
Even the most robust of genes have their limit. Eating yogurt cannot compensate for environmental toxic exposure. -
I had two children, breast fed both & still got breast cancer. No one in my family had breast cancer. I get not just regular bc but IBC-TN. I would like to know what more I could of done to prevent that!! NJ
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I just think she pointed out known "risk factors" none of those means you will automatically get BC. I kind of lost respect for Dr. Weiss when she took down the dietary links here at BCO to BC.
There is also new research to show a link between abortion and BC, well established. Dr. Weiss has an article here that states there is no link between the 2.
I can't see any risk factors in my own BC - first baby at 29 perhaps could be.
I suspect there are many causes and as we all know there are many different types of BC.
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How the heck can abortion be a link??? Your body doesn't "know" you didn't go full term. It just "knows" you were pregnant. And by all accounts, that should lessen your odds....
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No - not to start that ridiculous argument again, but NO, there is no link established between abortion and BC. Repeating it from anti choice sites, then repeating it again and again still does not make it true.
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Good point Barbe. Especially for those of us who have had miscarriages (through NO fault of our own, BTW). I'm getting really tired of that old shibboleth about abortion.
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It's shocking to see how immorally far people will go to further their moral agenda. Although I suppose if those anti-choicers are claiming that abortion providers will roast in hell, the abortion "hav-ers'" breast cancer is lesser punishment. :-)
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I never heard abortion can cause BC. That's just nuts. I lost several babies between the 8th week and the 20th week, and don't for a minute feel that had anything to do with my BC.
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I agree that abortion cannot cause BC. BUT I find very interesting to see there are several of us with miscarriages who ended up with BC. I had two miscarriages, one at 8 and one at 12 weeks. My son was result of IVF and IVIG administration every three weeks during pregnancy. I was told I would never get BC because my immune system was killing foreign cells (including baby). I guess they cured me from that problem - I had a son- ended up with BC 6 years later.
By the way I would do it again to have him. No regrets.
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No abortion here, or miscariages or live births or even distended bellies, still got BC.
Maybe we all had something pink and that's what did it. Which would explain why those pink campaigns can't find a cure yet....hmmmm, let's write a Huffington Post article about that.
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Just a comment on the abortion or miscarriage debate. I'm 64 and have never been pregnant. I would think that the problem with curing BC is they don't know what "it" is. I would think that you have to know what it is in order to cure it.
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Nurse Ann: that's exactly the point I was making. Because BC is so complex, molocularly, they have just gotten to the point (in the last 10 years) where they actually understand it. But they DO understand it now, and that's why we can finally expect movement towards a cure. The harder we all push for a cure - like the LGBT community did with HIV-AIDS - the more funding will be provided for a BC cure.
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