Huffington Post article by Dr. Weiss

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  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited March 2011

    ShelleyJ43.  I guess the Rock article by Gladwell...Rocks?

    I think the article underscores that no changes occur in a vacuum and Mother Nature, who's been around for a VERY long time, knew what she was doing...Then we came along and....

    Anyway, I wholeheartedly agree with you that the ideas expressed in the article serve to explain ER+ fueled breast cancers, but do not explain TNBC. 

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited March 2011

    I agree with every single word you say Beesie. And reiterate the observation that cancer is a public policy, public health issue and as long as these pom-pom pretty colored-wielders continue to treat it as a girly-girly "be good and stay healthy" concern, women will continue to drop dead like matchsticks. Their bodies, many toned, slim, well fed and cared for, will continue to pile up.

    I wasn't offended by the article so much as impressed by its lack of depth. In fact, I wish I could be blamed for my BC, because I would KNOW which steps to take to do things differently. The fact that I can't is actually frustrating to me. Personal responsibility gives me the power to make my life better. If I do something wrong and I know what it is, I can fix it. But this disease doesn't just depend on me. It depends on my genes, on pollution, on the water, on any comorbidities I may have and a million other things. I am still shocked at the superficiality with which these prevention campaigns are run.

    If you want prevention, yes, speak to women and girls, but also go to congress, to the UN, to the IAEC and speak of a cancer pandemic.  

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2011

    Just read the Glad article - very interesting.

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited March 2011

    Regarding Malcolm Gladwell's article, John Rock's Error, that appears in the book, What the Dog Saw, I just want to add, that ALL of the stories in his books are terrific!  If anyone is curious about the title, What the Dog Saw, it's about The Dog Whisperer.  And what the dog saw...was YOU, first!

    I'm interested in hearing what you sisters have to say about John Rock's Error. 

  • LtotheK
    LtotheK Member Posts: 2,095
    edited March 2011

    This site might be skewed, but my understanding is the largest growing group of cases is in young women. And I believe that speaks to something, just not sure what exactly. 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2011

    I mentioned that in my earlier post but need to clarify.  My observations don't come as much from the websites (younger population) but from the 3 chemo rooms I have been treated at over the last 4 1/2 years.  There are a lot of young adults with various types of cancer - people with young children - young women with BC.  Before I left the second facility after two years, a woman my age came up to me and said we're the only two "old people" here (I'm 64).  Very scary.

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited March 2011

    nurse-ann...I noticed something of the same phenomenon myself.  In 1996-1997 I took both my mother and my teenage daughter for radiation.  My daughter was a rarity, causing many stares from the 'older' patients in the large waiting area.  Fast forward to my own radiation tx in 2007.  There were many more younger people in the mix.  I was very aware of that.  Even then, I wondered if it was because of my different perspective (older and now the patient) or if it was a trend. 

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited March 2011

    I STILL want to know what Dr. Weiss blames herself for doing!!! I wonder if it was an older article...?

  • VJSL8
    VJSL8 Member Posts: 652
    edited March 2011

    Until recently all BC research was done on mice--humans are the only mammals that have breasts all the time and not just when nursing their young. The so-called "risk" factors are just guesses because we just don't know what really causes BC--it very well could be a virus, just like they have found that viruses can cause cervical cancer. I encourage all of you to  join the ArmyOfWomen.org which was co-founded by Dr. Susan Love--to have a resource of women available for research projects to find the cause, then and only then can we really protect ourselves from BC.

    It also may be there are many factors causing the different types (ER +/-, PR+/-, HER2+/-, --all combinations could be different subsets. For example it appears that smoking may be a risk factor for a small subset of women who have never had children and are pre-menopausal, yet smoking may be a protective factor for another subset because it lowers estrogen in the body.

    When I was in my 20's I did all the wrong things--ate garbage, drank too much, smoked, partied with the best of them and didn't have children--did any of this cause my BC at age 32???? Who knows but I cleaned up my act since then, stopped all the bad habits and it came back after 23 years--again who knows why?? I choose not to blame myself for anything I've done or not done, because we don't really know if it would have made any difference at all. I also did not get a sense of blame from the article--because the suggestions were too genetic to really be helpful. have a joyous day.

  • jenn3
    jenn3 Member Posts: 3,316
    edited March 2011

    BC has been around longer than the industrial age............If BC was around hundreds of years ago, what caused it then?  There were no plastic water bottles, processed foods, chemicals that we used in our makeup and lotions, there were no refineries blowing black smoke into the air.  Where did it come from?   

    I am glad that research is out there for breast cancer, but agree that because it's been made to look cute and cool a lot of people dismiss the severity of breast cancer.

    By the way............Asparagus kills cancer - if you didn't know that already.

  • 208sandy
    208sandy Member Posts: 2,610
    edited March 2011

    Is the "article" an "article" or a book and is there a charge for the book - if so, what is happening with the profits - honestly I am quite upset about this whole thing - add to that the fact that they're talking about putting "a few" ads on the site and we are starting to turn "pink" aren't we?  Not what I signed up for I can tell you, what is it with yogurt companies anyway?

    I had hoped that Dr. Weiss would be more interested in getting money for research instead of all this junk - it's already been done (Komen anybody?).

  • apple
    apple Member Posts: 7,799
    edited March 2011

    'In hindsite'.. There is nothing wrong with using that perspective. 

    'An ounce of prevention is a pound of cure'.  We've known that all along.  A cause is not a blame.. at least i do not equate the two. 

    We've learned a lot about breast cancer in these last few decades.  I thought the article conveyed a valuable perspective and important message. 

    Perhaps a couple won't put off having children, perhaps young women will make healthy choices.  I had my 3 children between the ages of 38 and 44.   I wouldn't trade them for the world.

     just my opinion.

    peace and love, apple
    Diagnosis: 5/10/2008, IDC, 5cm, Stage IV, Grade 3, 4/9 nodes, ER+, HER2+

  • Estepp
    Estepp Member Posts: 6,416
    edited March 2011

    Good read Beesie! 

    I just realized I miss reading your posts.... TY!

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited March 2011
  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited March 2011

    I agree with the "virus" concept. After years of being treated for a stomach ulcer, how amazing to find out it is a virus and not an "A-type" personality that caused it!!

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited March 2011

    Ladies --- PLEASE READ THE MALCOLM GLADWELL ARTICLE - John Rock's Error!  I gave the link earlier in this thread.  Google search it!  I'm sorry for yelling.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited March 2011

    I started reading it, but got bogged down in the Catholic church parts. The pill. Estrogen. Yep. Can you give us a synopsis of it?

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited March 2011

    Barbe --- Please take the time to finish reading it!  If you have any questions afterwards, I'll attempt to answer them.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited March 2011

    Okay, finished. Good points about the Japanese and all and estrogen and periods and stuff. But anything new? I was impressed with the difference between the number of periods we have compared to those in say, Africa. The logic applies. But why do they start their periods so late? I would think they'd start even earlier to reproduce as much as possible to keep their tribe healthy and growing. This new birth control that gives you only 4 periods a year should help some. But mind blowing? Not really....

  • apple
    apple Member Posts: 7,799
    edited March 2011

    Athena -

    "apple, are you saying that a couple should have children without delay to prevent breast cancer??? What do you say to the millions of women who had children in their twenties and still got it?" no ...I'm not.  just read what I said.   I'm  not playing opposite-itis here.  I mean exactly what I say.  the world is not one big argument.sorry about the bold.. I can't get the letters back to normal.
  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited March 2011

    I'm afraid I didn't understand your post then. Never mind. 

  • hrf
    hrf Member Posts: 3,225
    edited March 2011

    The reality is that no research has yet identified a cause or even several causes of BC. We are young and we are old. We are vegans and we are meat eaters. Some of us eat organic and some do not. Some of us exercise religiously and some don't. Some of us have been thin all our lives and others are overweight. Some of us had children in our early 20's and some never had children. Some of us live on farms and some of us live in big cities. Some of us have stressful lives and some of us never feel stressed. Some of us don't drink alcohol and some of us drink too much. We are Caucasian, Black, South Asian, East Asian. The numbers of us who get BC once, twice or more is growing. Women who have pbmx still get BC. Where is the commonality? What are we doing that causes us to get BC? Telling us we can prevent it is like blaming the victim. Why do women have to wait weeks or months to find out if the lump is malignant? Why do so many doctors tell women they are too young or tell them to wait 6 months to see what happens? The average person who has not had a BC experience believes that it is curable. Our methods of detection are far from accurate and we don't know if the treatment plans actually work. We only know if they don't work Treatment continues to be slash, burn, and poison. For many of us, we lose our relarionships, our self-esteem, our financial security and we are told to adjust. With all the billions and trillions poured into this why is there no cause or causes identified? Why is there no cure? Any time there

    is a new drug, it only manages to extend our lives for 3 or 4 months and the medical community

    cheers. What is wrong with this picture? and WTH was Dr. Weiss thinking of when she said we could prevent it? And why do we have to purchase a book to get the details?

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited March 2011

    Barbe - I'm glad you took the time to read the entire article.  I guess the point of the article is that it underscores the importance of evolutionary medical research when we look for insight into the causes of breast cancerS and that it can, perhaps, ultimately, lead us to a PREVENTION. 

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited March 2011

    Okay, if you look at it that way, it was interesting about how few periods third world country women have. And how we've evolved to think that every 28 days is NORMAL. But, you'd have to start givine 8 and 9 year olds the medication to "trick their body into menopause" to be early enough to catch and stop their cycles. Holding back their periods until they are in their 20's would be rather amazing....just a thought!

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited March 2011

    Barbe - My daughter didn't begin her periods until she was 16.  She was athletic and slender and according to the pediatrician...she didn't have enough body fat to menstruate. (She takes after my husband's side of the family -- my three kids are all lean and lanky like their father.) We increased her caloric intake and she FINALLY gained enough weight to start menstruating.  After reading the John Rock article several years ago, I always wondered how necessary it was to get her periods started.  She's now approaching 27 and takes birth control pills to regulate her periods because she has never had regular monthly periods.  We were told that she shouldn't go more than 3 or 4 months without a period, otherwise it might ruin her ovaries.  Despite much testing, she was never diagnosed with any hormone imbalance that would explain why she menstruates so infrequently.  Sometimes I wish, that she and her soon to be fiance, just get pregnant, so I could stop worrying about her fertility and her risk of breast cancer.

    Perhaps, though, what my daughter WAS experiencing should have been considered, the NORMAL. 

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited March 2011

    See now, that's what I'm thinking. SHE's normal, it's the rest of us who aren't! We are supposed to be lean, killing machines but got lazy when are food can be caught in take-out windows.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited March 2011

    Barbe I was plus or minus 120lbs (5"6") until I was 45. Went up to about 126 when I was 46 (when they think my breast cancer started). Even at diagnosis I was only 128lbs. I used to walk everywhere since I live in the city.

    I haven't eaten at McD's since the 80's. Only fast food I did do was Subway 6" chicken with lots of hot peppers, lettuce, tomato and vinegar only & a diet soda… but I won't be doing that anymore since the chicken I used to order had processed soy.

    Thing is being under 127lbs adds another risk for osteoporosis. You could go crazy with this stuff. Our reality… something is eventually going to kill us.  I personally would prefer, when the time comes, firing squad. Quick and painless but firing squad doesn't appear to be an option. Tongue out

  • elmcity69
    elmcity69 Member Posts: 998
    edited March 2011

    athena1, your post about gray suits. v. pink ribbons is the best summation of the crisis facing the dilemma of cancer in today's society. thank you!

  • DesignerMom
    DesignerMom Member Posts: 1,464
    edited March 2011

    I think it is great that people are finally talking about prevention as ONE element of the BC equation.  It seems that ALL the emphasis is on medical, drug, surgical intervention.  Of course no one is saying women need to go out at a young age and "birth some babies" , unless they wanted to do that anyway.  Unfortunately, even though they have spent bazillions of dollars trying to find "the cure", incidents just keep going up.  I find looking at epidemiological studies fascinating.  Why are BC rates so much higher in Western societies. It has to be due to something we are doing differently.   I'm going by memory, but I think it is double that in Japan, Africa and even third world countries.  I know some of this has to do with over diagnosis and early detection, but certainly not all.  I don't think it is an "either or" argument.  I used medical (surgery, chemo and rads), I am now trying to reduce my chances of recurrence with nutrition, exercise and supplements.  I am sharing what I know with my beautiful, young nieces in the hopes they will never have to fight this beast.  I applaud Dr. Weiss for talking about prevention. 

  • sling99
    sling99 Member Posts: 106
    edited March 2011

    I think people are quick to put the blame on a person for getting cancer due their lifestyle, what the person eats, etc. because they are scared as hell to think it could happen to them, out of the blue, for no apparent reason.

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