Lymphedema Natural Treatment Options
Hi ladies,
Here's an interesting article I found on the Internet ...
Lymphedema Help: Natural Treatment & Management Options![]() | ![]() |
On Lymphedema Therapy Options To Help Relieve or Possibly Heal Swelling Symptoms in Arm or Leg by Ulla, designer of Healing Cancer Naturally, © 2004 - 2006continued from Lymphedema: What Your Doctor May Not Have Told You |
Comments
-
Hi Ladies,
Something with tons of what I thought interesting info that I found on the Internet. Of course you'd need to check in with a practitioner who really understands these options and lymphedema and your individual situation, but here it is for you to think about ...
Lymphedema Help: Natural Treatment & Management OptionsOn Lymphedema Therapy Options To Help Relieve or Possibly Heal Swelling Symptoms in Arm or Leg by Ulla, designer of Healing Cancer Naturally, © 2004 - 2006continued from Lymphedema: What Your Doctor May Not Have Told You
About This Possible Serious Side Effect of Mastectomy, Lumpectomy or Radiation
Lymphedema Treatment or Management? According to the rather pessimistic assessment of the Cleveland Clinic (and others) "Lymphedema once it occurs is difficult to treat, and treatments vary. Conservative treatments such as bandaging, proper skin care, compression garments, and exercises are some general methods of care. There is no easy surgical fix for treatment of lymphedema. Surgical procedures have been tried in general, few of them work well in the long term; some make the condition much worse, and more difficult to treat. In a very few situations, certain specialized operations are useful, but these are not common. Almost all specialists who see patients with lymphedema agree that adequate conservative treatment, by well-trained therapists, should be tried before resorting to surgery.
...more comprehensive information about lymphedema prevention and treatment from [the conventionally orientated] Cleveland Clinic" can be found at
clevelandclinic.org/health/health-info/docs/1800/1896.asp?index=8353.Lymphedema Treatment & Therapy Options In addition to what is conventionally advised to alleviate the symptoms of lymphedema such as compression garments that cover and apply pressure to affected limbs & compression pumps which move excess fluid toward still-functioning lymph vessels, etc., I think the following measures may help bring relief (by reducing swelling) and even possibly effect a cure:Detoxify as much as possible, avoiding overweight and creating the greatest possible health and internal cleanliness. A good dietary and lifestyle protocol to follow for people with a cancer challenge seems to be Dr. Johanna Budwig's Healing Diet & Protocol which additionally, due to its somewhat "blood-thinning" effect, may also assist in facilitating lymphatic flow. A testimonial reads, "My husband's hand and arm started to swell after surgery ... it was because he had his lymph glands removed and this caused a drainage problem. However he stuck to the Budwig diet and the arm is perfectly normal now. But he took care not to overstrain it and always wears his watch on the other wrist. Also we make it clear that no blood must ever be taken from that arm and no blood pressure taken on it." Increase circulation, see "Activate your lymphatic system". Massage (manual lymph drainage) and elevation can also be helpful. herbs2000.com/disorders/lymphedema.htm writes: "Take the enzyme preparation Wobenzym as directed on the label. In an Austrian clinical test involving women who had breast cancer surgery, a combination of Wobenzym with manual lymph drainage reduced arm size, lessened pain, and improved skin condition in less than two months' use." The same site recommends certain foods or food components such as bromelain found in raw pineapples, and oligomeric proanthocyanidins (OPCs) found in grape seed. Bromelain is said to reduce swelling & break up immune complexes that cause inflammation. (Some are allergic to pineapple and may develop a rash). Both pineapple bromelain and grapes also have anti-cancer effects, see Raw food cancer treatment and Best and worst foods for cancer patients. Also compare Numb arm becoming normal again after breast cancer operation thanks to raw food diet. Herbs: there are a number of herbs and herbal preparations which are said to help achieve increased lymphatic flow, reduce swelling and blood-vessel inflammation and/or strengthen lymphatic vessel walls. For instance butcher's broom, ginger tea (made from powdered ginger and said to increase circulation & reduce inflammation), sweet clover ointment (contains coumarin which stimulates lymph flow & speeds skin wound healing. In rare cases, sweet clover can cause liver toxicity.
[Quoted from herbs2000.com/disorders/lymphedema.htm]).
Someone recommended for lymphatic blockages: "This may be of some real help:
cancersalves.com/botanical_approaches/sms_formulas/indigo_drops.html
Ingrid Naiman has a very good reputation and a great deal of experience as a herbalist."
Two testimonials add, "I used Butcher's broom alternated with horse chestnut for this problem. Worked for my son in 2002. Used it again last year with the same good results. Plantain leaf poultices may also be very helpful." "Horse chestnut has helped with lymphedema in the legs with some cancer patients."
You may also wish to use frankincense, myrrh and ginger essential oils to promote lymphatic movement. Hydrotherapy applications (according to Sebastian Kneipp etc.) generally help improve circulation and also may have a positive effect on lymphedema symptoms. Homeopathics (such as the remedy called Serum Anguillae), EFT, chi kung (both of which can be self-applied), acupuncture and similar "energetic" approaches to healing aim at increasing the flow of life force energy and/or overcoming energetic blockages, a very important avenue of healing. Compare Energetics. Learn about and use healing stones and crystals (incl. lithotherapy, a branch of homeopathics): certain gemstones and minerals are known to stimulate circulation. As with any physical or other affliction, it may be helpful to also ask for assistance, healing inspiration and guidance from the spiritual realms via prayer, meditation etc. Visualize a healthy arm and/or the lymph nodes regrowing. Information on the power of the mind www.herbs2000.com/disorders/lymphedema.htm has a number of more suggestions and advice. For instance regarding the use of compression stockings in managing leg edema, taking oral coumarin drugs combined with external/topical coumarin application, the advisability of wearing a compression garment at higher altitudes etc. Many complementary/alternative lymphedema treatment options together with more conventional ones involving surgery and microsurgery are discussed at www.lymphedemapeople.com, such as acupuncture, aromatherapy, bandages and bandaging, benzopyrones treatment, Chi Machine, compression pump therapy, decongestive therapy, diuretics treatment, Endermologie Therapy, kinesiology, Kinesio Taping (R), laser treatment, light beam generator therapy, Lymphedema Treatment Programs Canada, lymphobiology, magnetic therapy, reflexology, short stretch bandages, wholistic treatment. Last but not least: red light treatment
A site vistor affected by lymphedema following a double mastectomy sent in the following success report:
"I read some obscure research on the web that said that near infrared light (not far infrared light, which produces heat) can help with lymphedema.
There have been some clinical trials that indicate that it helps with itching, swelling, and infections. The frequency used is 670 nanometers.
I went to Amazon.com and ordered the Pretika Lightsonic hand held infrared light and started using it on my lymphedema of the arm, following breast cancer.
Lo and behold, the pain went away (temporarily) but the most amazing thing is that the fibrotic masses were greatly shrunken the next day.
The procedure is to shine the light for 1 to 2 minutes on each part of the affected limb. The next day, the fibrotic masses are much better. Pain goes away immediately.
Please let everyone know about this. It has helped me so much. Also, please make sure to emphasize that only near infrared light should be used, as blue light generates heat and will harm people with lymphedema. If they stick to the light I bought, they will be fine. It costs $40. I bought two of them, so I cut my time in half to cover my arm. I do that for an hour 3 days per week, and let it rest for a day in between light sessions.
My lymphedema is not progressing at all, thanks to daily manual lymph drainage and the Pretika Lightsonic light at amazon.com.
Everyone needs to know about it.
Note by Healing Cancer Naturally (January 2011): The Pretika Lightsonic light has been unavailable at Amazon for some time. I have now written to the Pretika company and they replied that they are "currently updating the LightSonic and will not be shipping until June 2011".
Searching for an alternative/substitute comparable in price and specification I have found several light devices at Amazon that emit in the near-infrared range but most are much higher priced.
One however, does come very close to the Pretika: the Red LED Light Therapy 38 LED Bulb which also emits at 660nm and is currently reduced to US$43.99 (like the Pretika, it is mostly advertised as a beauty treatment due to the effect of near-infrared light on skin collagen etc., but don't allow this to confuse you; also similarly to the Pretika, it may not ship worldwide).
PS. I use emu oil as a carrier oil, and myrrh, frankincense, and ginger essential oils to promote lymph movement. So far, everything is working, but the light produces the most immediate results. Every day I use the light, the lumps disappear. They come back, but in a slightly different location, which tells me my body is establishing new lymph channels. By the way, the light also stimulates circulation." (The following is excerpted from
www.quantumeducation.com/coldlaser.html:)
Red Light and Lymphedema
Several years ago, a report on the use of red light therapy in the treatment of post-mastectomy secondary lymphedema was published in the journal Lymphology, and the results were promising. Women treated with red light therapy once or twice a week for 10 weeks showed measurably less arm swelling, edema volume, and tissue pressure, and marked improvement in subjective complaints, including "aches/pains, tightness, heaviness, cramps, pins/needles, and mobility of the arm," with even greater improvement in the hand and forearm.
The women in the study also showed gradual softening of the skin and tissues, as well as improved skin integrity. Over a three-year period, some of the improvement in their symptoms gradually decreased, but their arm swelling, pressure, and hardness all continued to show improvement.
In a more recent, double-blind, placebo-controlled Australian study published in Cancer, 61 women with post-mastectomy lymphedema received 16 red light treatments twice a week for six weeks, then once a week for four weeks, for approximately 10 minutes each session. At the end of the 10 weeks, 31 percent of the women enjoyed a measurable decrease in swelling, volume of edema, and hardening of the upper arm. Plus, they enjoyed these benefits for an amazing six months after the red light treatments were discontinued.
Red light has also been shown to help activate the local immune system by stimulating the specific types of white blood cells that kill, consume, and/or carry away pathogens. This creates a more sanitary cellular environment, thereby reducing the risk of skin infections-a significant prroblem for women with lymphedema.
Finally, red light is reported to enhance the activity of phagocytes, cells that are thought to help reduce tissue swelling by breaking down protein-based debris in the damaged area, including excess scar tissue. The overall effect in the treatment of secondary lymphedema appears to be the creation of a healthier tissue environment, with faster regeneration of damaged vessels and enhanced circulation. Lymphedema Healing: New E-book An immediately downloadable self-help guide written by a former long-time lymphedema sufferer: Lymphedema Healing: "Discover How to Heal Your Lymphatic System And Reduce Swelling caused by Lymphedema" (special offer $27, 30 day money back guarantee, purchase entitles to a lifetime of updates along with new research and a free newsletter). Lymphedema Prevention The best lymphedema prevention in my view seems to be not to resort to surgical/radiological interventions involving impairment, damage to or removal of the vital lymph nodes but to thoroughly seek out all non-invasive natural healing approaches first. See particularly Dr. Johanna Budwig's Healing Diet & Protocol, Cancer Diet & Nutrition, Detoxification, Emotions, Energetics, Geopathic Stress, "Greatest Hits", Galvanotherapy, Juicers & Juicing, Light Healing, Lothar Hirneise's Cancer Research, Healing Cancer & Your Mind, Nature Heals, Dr. Hamer's "German New Medicine", Spirituality & Testimonials. If after careful consideration surgical/radiation treatment is deemed necessary, I would make sure that lymph nodes and lymphatic drainage are not impaired.
According to an alternative doctor (CAM), reducing inflammation throughout the body and keeping blood platelet count low are two of the best weapons in preventing lymphedema. -
I had Lymphedema so bad that it spread down into my ribs, my right breast, my arm and my sternum was effected. I had a wonderful therapist who worked on all those areas for 6 months and I am happy to say that 85% of my Lymphedema is gone! She showed me techniques to use at home when my breast starts getting hard with fluid and how to work it out so that my body will absorb the fluid. I must say the worst part for me is the numbness that is still under my arm near the pit area. My sentinel node biopsy was done with a 5 inch scar down the side of my breast instead of the little incision in my pit. My surgeon told me that getting Lymphedema is like playing russian roulette, no one knows who will get lymphedema and who won't and it doesn't matter how many nodes they take out either! I had 3 nodes removed and ended up with this fluid, a friend of mine had 15 nodes taken out and she was lucky and didn't get lymphedema!
-
It has been a very very long time since I posted here, but I had to say something about this post.
I must say without any hesitation that there is absolutely no clinical evidence to suport the "alternative" medical treatments. Period!!!
The problem too with those Australian studies is that they have been soundly criticized for their sloppy control which leaves their so-called results very much in doubt.
BTW - as for those coumarin treaments??? Oh, they did seem to help move fluid and in the process a numbe of people had their liver's destroyed. It was bad enough to have many countries prohibit it's use. Wow....that would be great...don't have lymphedema anymore, but no liver.
If these techniques actually did work, the lymph world would be beating a pathway to them.
Please folks don't be enticed into these expensive, non-helpful methods.
Pat
-
Thank you Pat--for those who don't know Pat he is an authority on lymphedema and maintains the excellent site lymphadema people.
Kira
-
Thanks Kira
As respects #11 -
One thing I should have mentioned as well is that in all the pages I have on alternative treatments, I make it very clear that (1) it is for info only (2) I do not support the use of these "treatments," because (3) they are clinically unproven to work and some can even be dangerous.
Trust me friends, the way my LE is now I want nothing more then to have my life back. Since 2006 I have literally been decimated in what I can and can not do. If there was anything - anything at all that would give it back to me, I would be beating a path to that treatment at super warp speed.
Be safe - be well
Pat
-
For me, personally, my feet and ankles got so swollen I couldn't wear shoes. Lymph massage through a PT was making minimal difference until a week or two after I quit. I have been walking, and a month ago started a chinese tincture called RDI (not telling anyone to do chinese medicine, just sharing my exerience and that of others I learned about it through) My lymphedema is gone for now. I'd had it since last spring and it was gone within two weeks of doing the RDI ($10 a week) .My herobologist is straightforward and went to school for 6 years to become a doc of chinese med, and based on the results others who've seen her for lymphedema have had, I don't feel she's staring me down the wrong path. If I end up with side effects that may be related to the RDI I'll be the first to let people know - I dont want to mislead anyone. But am hoping to continue to enjoy the results I'm having to date and that others I learned about this have had. Has anyone tried restorative yoga for lymphedema? I'd imagine whatever you do, it has to be more than just pop a fluid retention pill or walk once in a while.
-
I'm very interested in the RDI tincture. Could you tell me where you got it please? Thank you.
Categories
- All Categories
- 679 Advocacy and Fund-Raising
- 289 Advocacy
- 68 I've Donated to Breastcancer.org in honor of....
- Test
- 322 Walks, Runs and Fundraising Events for Breastcancer.org
- 5.6K Community Connections
- 282 Middle Age 40-60(ish) Years Old With Breast Cancer
- 53 Australians and New Zealanders Affected by Breast Cancer
- 208 Black Women or Men With Breast Cancer
- 684 Canadians Affected by Breast Cancer
- 1.5K Caring for Someone with Breast cancer
- 455 Caring for Someone with Stage IV or Mets
- 260 High Risk of Recurrence or Second Breast Cancer
- 22 International, Non-English Speakers With Breast Cancer
- 16 Latinas/Hispanics With Breast Cancer
- 189 LGBTQA+ With Breast Cancer
- 152 May Their Memory Live On
- 85 Member Matchup & Virtual Support Meetups
- 375 Members by Location
- 291 Older Than 60 Years Old With Breast Cancer
- 177 Singles With Breast Cancer
- 869 Young With Breast Cancer
- 50.4K Connecting With Others Who Have a Similar Diagnosis
- 204 Breast Cancer with Another Diagnosis or Comorbidity
- 4K DCIS (Ductal Carcinoma In Situ)
- 79 DCIS plus HER2-positive Microinvasion
- 529 Genetic Testing
- 2.2K HER2+ (Positive) Breast Cancer
- 1.5K IBC (Inflammatory Breast Cancer)
- 3.4K IDC (Invasive Ductal Carcinoma)
- 1.5K ILC (Invasive Lobular Carcinoma)
- 999 Just Diagnosed With a Recurrence or Metastasis
- 652 LCIS (Lobular Carcinoma In Situ)
- 193 Less Common Types of Breast Cancer
- 252 Male Breast Cancer
- 86 Mixed Type Breast Cancer
- 3.1K Not Diagnosed With a Recurrence or Metastases but Concerned
- 189 Palliative Therapy/Hospice Care
- 488 Second or Third Breast Cancer
- 1.2K Stage I Breast Cancer
- 313 Stage II Breast Cancer
- 3.8K Stage III Breast Cancer
- 2.5K Triple-Negative Breast Cancer
- 13.1K Day-to-Day Matters
- 132 All things COVID-19 or coronavirus
- 87 BCO Free-Cycle: Give or Trade Items Related to Breast Cancer
- 5.9K Clinical Trials, Research News, Podcasts, and Study Results
- 86 Coping with Holidays, Special Days and Anniversaries
- 828 Employment, Insurance, and Other Financial Issues
- 101 Family and Family Planning Matters
- Family Issues for Those Who Have Breast Cancer
- 26 Furry friends
- 1.8K Humor and Games
- 1.6K Mental Health: Because Cancer Doesn't Just Affect Your Breasts
- 706 Recipe Swap for Healthy Living
- 704 Recommend Your Resources
- 171 Sex & Relationship Matters
- 9 The Political Corner
- 874 Working on Your Fitness
- 4.5K Moving On & Finding Inspiration After Breast Cancer
- 394 Bonded by Breast Cancer
- 3.1K Life After Breast Cancer
- 806 Prayers and Spiritual Support
- 285 Who or What Inspires You?
- 28.7K Not Diagnosed But Concerned
- 1K Benign Breast Conditions
- 2.3K High Risk for Breast Cancer
- 18K Not Diagnosed But Worried
- 7.4K Waiting for Test Results
- 603 Site News and Announcements
- 560 Comments, Suggestions, Feature Requests
- 39 Mod Announcements, Breastcancer.org News, Blog Entries, Podcasts
- 4 Survey, Interview and Participant Requests: Need your Help!
- 61.9K Tests, Treatments & Side Effects
- 586 Alternative Medicine
- 255 Bone Health and Bone Loss
- 11.4K Breast Reconstruction
- 7.9K Chemotherapy - Before, During, and After
- 2.7K Complementary and Holistic Medicine and Treatment
- 775 Diagnosed and Waiting for Test Results
- 7.8K Hormonal Therapy - Before, During, and After
- 50 Immunotherapy - Before, During, and After
- 7.4K Just Diagnosed
- 1.4K Living Without Reconstruction After a Mastectomy
- 5.2K Lymphedema
- 3.6K Managing Side Effects of Breast Cancer and Its Treatment
- 591 Pain
- 3.9K Radiation Therapy - Before, During, and After
- 8.4K Surgery - Before, During, and After
- 109 Welcome to Breastcancer.org
- 98 Acknowledging and honoring our Community
- 11 Info & Resources for New Patients & Members From the Team