My Fellow Deletees and The Cyberbullied Sisters

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  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited March 2011

    Blue .. I think I would pursue this.  Since it's the internet, you need to call the Feds.  Maybe call the Mounties too just for good measure!

    love ya,

    Bren

  • konakat
    konakat Member Posts: 6,085
    edited March 2011

    Who on earth would even want to hack into a BC support site anyway?  Sounds more like a case of mistaken self-importance on the side of the alleged hackees.  And/or a mismanaged site.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited March 2011

    It was all done elsewhere.  I asked for an apology, but did not get it.

  • Ellie1959
    Ellie1959 Member Posts: 316
    edited March 2011
    I am broke as a joke - but this site is important to me too. Besides, I'd probably just spend the money on booze and cigarettes anywayCool..........,just kidding - kinda, so I'm in for a small donation.  E
  • Medigal
    Medigal Member Posts: 1,412
    edited March 2011

    Althena:  It's Monday and you still seem to be able to post.  Did everything work out with you ok?  Just wondering since everything is so topsy-turvy these days on the thread.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2011
    Hey...why don't you call the Ghostbusters or better still, Barney Fife? Wink
  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited March 2011

    I just might.  hehe!  You don't think libel is serious?  Who knew!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2011

    Oh, okay...so I guess that blaming certain individuals of being DELEETERs would also be considered a serious offense such as "libel"?

    (Edited: Thanks for the clarification, R.)

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited March 2011

    Bananas and oranges.  Only thing in common is you can peel them.

  • Alpal
    Alpal Member Posts: 1,785
    edited March 2011
    I don't think there is anything funny about people on a public website using the word illegal to describe actions which they think someone committed. Before anyone points out that people on this site have been accused of doing different things, please remember that there is a big difference between illegal and dishonest. If I was wrongly accused, I would be extremely upset.
  • rosemary-b
    rosemary-b Member Posts: 2,006
    edited March 2011

    Laura

    A deletee is one who is deleted.

  • Alpal
    Alpal Member Posts: 1,785
    edited March 2011

    As far as I know, there is no law against deleting posts. There are laws against hacking.

  • Wabbit
    Wabbit Member Posts: 1,592
    edited March 2011

    It's pretty easy to prove who the DELETEES are ... just look for all the "Removed by the Community" signs slapped where their posts used to be.  Surprised

    Everybody really needs to read the link River Rat posted on page 2.  We all need to realize that we own anything we write on the internet.  Once you post it ... it is there forever.  Sure you can delete.  But delete just means hidden ... it's not gone.  

    I'm a good example ... I had Madalyn and all her posts deleted.  Now go to the Search button.  Type Madalyn in Member Name ... then watch as snippets of my posts show up.  They are still there and easily retrievable by anybody willing to go to the trouble of doing so.

    Think before you 'speak' and you will be fine. 

    blue ... I saw some of that crap directed at you too ... on here even.   Can't blame you for being angry.    But we love you and know you would never do such a thing.   

  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited March 2011
  • shokk
    shokk Member Posts: 1,763
    edited March 2011

    I suggest that you contact the Department of Justice here in the U.S...........Eric Holder is on top of everything like closing Gitmo and bringing the Masterminds of 9-11 to justice......

     Did speak to my Lawyer neighbor and just asking about libel.....stating that I had some friends accused of deleting posts by members of a discussion board by name and screen names and she stated that "accusing" someone of deleting would not be a case of libel.....that you would have to state that you know for sure that someone did an act when in fact you just have a suspicion....otherwise she said that a lot of wives would be accused of libel in accusing their husbands of having affairs when in fact they don't have any evidence just a feeling that their husbands are cheating...........

     but regardless good luck.....maybe it will be an avenue to find out who really did hack the other website......shokk 

  • Medigal
    Medigal Member Posts: 1,412
    edited March 2011

    White Rabbit:  This gets scary then with our posts if deleting something does not protect us from trouble.  First of all, "if" anyone wrote something in anger that could be libelous but then realized they had gone too far, the fact they reconsidered and deleted the post would mean to me that they should not be held responsible for that particular post.  I don't think it could be legal to hold them responsible for something they deleted just because it stays in the brain of the computer.  What you are stating means posting on the computer never allows one to even say they are sorry for anything they post.  I do not like this idea at all since we all have emotions and at times may state things wehalater want to throw in the trash.  I guess there are no trash cans in this electronic brain.  Thanks for wising me up to things and the reality of what I am dealing with here.

  • Medigal
    Medigal Member Posts: 1,412
    edited March 2011

    Shokk:  Whew!  That makes more sense!  The law should not be able to hold someone accountable for accusing a person but they should have to have proof that person "did" the action.  There has to be some protection from others accusing us of things we did not do or the crazies would have a field day with people on the internet (even more than they do now!).  I think Blue has a right to know for his own personal sake, who is accusing her but if someone leads her to an innocent person because they want to get that person in trouble, then Blue should have to have proof, imo. 

  • Alpal
    Alpal Member Posts: 1,785
    edited March 2011

    Once again - accusing someone of doing something dishonest and/or underhanded is a far cry from accusing someone of commiting a felony.  I'm no lawyer, so this is just my opinion.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited March 2011

    Thanks shokk....good to know.

    Edited to add....did you ask your lawyer friend about someone accusing someone else of being a hacker?   And shokk, I thought we were good friends?

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited March 2011

    I think people are confusing several things.

    Shokk, of course the deleting of posts is not, by itself, libel and Blue is not claiming that. She is talking about a completely different topic.

    The deleter/deletee problems are separate, Laura.

    It's easy to get confused, though, because the problems are related in that some of the same people are discussing more than one topic, and you could argue that the various issues may be part of a single narrative of real or perceived conflict.

    Buit for the record, it is important to specify the difference between:

    1) Violations of BCO rules (which are internal and at BCOs discretion) regarding deletions of posts  

    2) Issues that are actionable from a civil perspective (eg: the concept of suing for libel)

    3) Possible federal crimes (may include cyberbullying/stalking)

    There are several parallel "stories" or "narratives" here (and by calling them that I do not mean to trivialize them). These are all somewhat related, but it's important not to confuse them. However, they are being discussed interchangeably. Some of these issues I know and understand nothing about, and I think I'd like too keep it that way.

  • 208sandy
    208sandy Member Posts: 2,610
    edited March 2011

    Frankly I think that the "hacking accusation" on the other site is just a red herring.

    Interesting that people are consulting lawyers isn't it?

    (((((((((((blue))))))))))

    Sandy

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2011

    I find it very interesting that the very same people who are so up in arms that anyone would ever dare report any post for any reason are the same ones who are now encouraging someone to take international legal action because she doesn't like what was written in a post that has been removed.  Double standard anyone?

  • konakat
    konakat Member Posts: 6,085
    edited March 2011

    Pat -- there's a big difference between not liking something and being slandered.

  • rosemary-b
    rosemary-b Member Posts: 2,006
    edited March 2011

    Pat

    Apples and oranges. Reporting posts is not illegal. Hacking is. Accusations of hacking are more serious.

  • Wabbit
    Wabbit Member Posts: 1,592
    edited March 2011

    Apples and oranges tossed together and turned into tin foil anyone?

    Removing an internet posting and accusing somebody of illegal activity are so totally not the same thing.

    I don't know about removed ... but once something has been seen by numerous people the damage is done and the gossip and slander is started.  You can't 'remove' that just by trying to remove the evidence of what was said.

  • bluedahlia
    bluedahlia Member Posts: 6,944
    edited March 2011

    That post was read by many.  No apology has been issued.  Just because its gone from the screen doesn't mean its gone from the people's minds who read it.  So my reputation has been sullied.  The damageis done.  So all I'm asking for is an apology.

  • rosemary-b
    rosemary-b Member Posts: 2,006
    edited March 2011

    Wow

    How many times does the difference between accusing someone of deleting posts and accusing them of hacking need to be explained?

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2011

    Oh shokk..."I suggest that you contact the Department of Justice here in the U.S...........Eric Holder is on top of everything like closing Gitmo and bringing the Masterminds of 9-11 to justice"

    Scary...but actually, Fife would be more knowledgeable than Eric! lol

    I just can't help but think this whole thread is looney. I know, I know, if I don't like it, leave it. lol

    btw...ONLY 17 states consider web libel a FELONY. And do you realize how much money you'd have to dole out to an atty to fight something like this? There's no guarantee you'd win. And you cannot use a public defender for a civil case.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited March 2011

    blue - Exactly WHO are you asking for an apology from?

  • Alpal
    Alpal Member Posts: 1,785
    edited March 2011
    PatMom wrote:

    I find it very interesting that the very same people who are so up in arms that anyone would ever dare report any post for any reason are the same ones who are now encouraging someone to take international legal action because she doesn't like what was written in a post that has been removed.  Double standard anyone?

    I think if you'd take the time to look back that you will see that no one ever advocated against reporting posts. Most of us agreed that the problem is the failure of the reporter to admit who they are and state their reason for reporting.

    If you don't understand the difference between accusations of reporting and deleting posts and accusations of committing a crime, then I would suggest you consult an attorney or professor of law, so they can explain it to you.

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