Suzanne Somers on Dateline tonight

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  • Deirdre1
    Deirdre1 Member Posts: 1,461
    edited March 2011
    pickle141 wrote:

    "The doctors are making huge $$$ using unproven methods. $15000-20000 just to be seen by Burzynski for an itervew/assessment"

    Just a clarification - To see Dr. Burzinski (and his entire team) who does a full panel of blood work (covered by insurance) as well as a physical review of al medical records costs $3000.00.  To be accepted into his program and have his A10 that is specifically formulated to your situation is then $15K and upwards.  His science is now in trials within FDA so it's not as luney as the hair samples stuff... He is a man who had/has a potential way to combat cancers, and the best results have been with his brain cancer patients (something that almost always fails within conventional medicine) and now, after trying to shut him down (earlier in his career) he continued and NOW even the FDA is saying there is someting there... Not a quack just a doc who spent his earlier years seeing most of his patients die from cancer and it's treatments and has tried to give his current patients relief...  I think he is an honorable man, though his "cure" is still not verifiable...  Just some acturate info on Dr. Burzinski - I honestly don't think he should be painted with the same brush as Suzanne Somers... I know this all from personal experience (with my father).. We didn't go the route of the actual meds but he did an amazing job of work ups and gave us SO much more information than other oncologists and scientists...  Just say'n...

  • slg2130
    slg2130 Member Posts: 140
    edited March 2011

    Standing by Lago on this one...if you don't believe the drug manufacturer, there are a variety of other sources on the internet...

    Taxol belongs to a class of chemotherapy drugs called plant alkaloids. Plant alkaloids are made from plants....The taxanes are made from the bark of the Pacific Yew tree (taxus).  http://www.chemocare.com/bio/taxol.asp

    Paclitaxel is a mitotic inhibitor used in cancer chemotherapy. It was discovered in a U.S. National Cancer Institute program at the Research Triangle Institute in 1967 when Monroe E. Wall and Mansukh C. Wani isolated it from the bark of the Pacific yew tree, Taxus brevifolia and named it taxol.   http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paclitaxel

    And actually, orange juice and granola can be completely natural (the stuff I squeezed this morning and the granola I make at home with raw ingredients), or it can be as fake as the boobs I'll have later this year (the artifically sweetened granola crap you buy in the store and Sunny D).  It's all in how you process it, isn't it?

    Scientific fact (if you want to keep those straight) is that the Taxuc samples from the Pacific Yew Tree was found to be cytotxic, the active ingredient was isolated, and it was named Taxol. Taxol is currently manufactured using plant cell fermentation (PCF) technology.  Basically, a specific Taxus cell line is propagated in fermentation tanks, Paclitaxel is then extracted directly, purified by chromatography and isolated by crystallization.  They don't add an extra piece to the molecular structure labeled "Lab."

    So, yea, Taxol IS derived from the Yew tree - kind of like beer is derived from wheat.  Hmm...now that gives me an idea...

  • NattyOnFrostyLake
    NattyOnFrostyLake Member Posts: 377
    edited March 2011

    I was citing from the manufacturer.

    If you read the actual page that lago sent from the drug manufacturer, it repeated exactly what I have been saying about synthesis. However, you have made my case better than I did.

    Taxotere is synthesized. Not derived.

    So:  Not "derived." Not orange juice from oranges. Check a molecular biology dictionary for your definitions.

    I'm off to play with my kids on this pretty day!

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited March 2011

    MattyGroves -- Perhaps you should check out the definition of "synthesize".  You may be surprised to learn that your liver "synthesizes" any vitamins you take so that your body can make the best use of them.

    The active ingredient in taxotere is derived from the yew tree, and then is synthesized in the laboratory to turn it into chemotherapy.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited March 2011

    You're right Iago!! It WAS Yew trees and taxol not mistletoe. Sorry I'm late back into the conversation...wanno go over it one more time........NOT!!!! Kiss

    Still holding out on grazing in the back 40 to cure my cancer....

  • Kathy044
    Kathy044 Member Posts: 433
    edited March 2011

    Though Barb1958 is correct that taxol can now be produced synthetically, it is mostly now being produced in a semi synthetic manner using  bits and pieces (leaves, bark roots) of various agriculturally grown yew species to work the process. That may be where lago got the information taxol was derived from the European Yew tree. It was the Pacific Yew that grows in Oregon, Washington and British Columbia that really started this story. 

    I can remember when the 'gold rush' to find where the Yew trees were growing in British Columbia started in the 90's. My mother had a tree in her yard and joked about it's value. The need plumeted once further mean of producing taxol developed later. I'll see if I can find the link...

    {Did it again, replied without noticing posts on next page, gotta learn to watch out about that. Here's the link. http://cfs.nrcan.gc.ca/subsite/yew/taxol }

  • Husband11
    Husband11 Member Posts: 2,264
    edited March 2011

    Its similar to bioidentical hormones.  Looking at the end product, its identical, but cost effectiveness dictates it be synthesized from the most economically available nearest organic raw material.  So they start with something close, and through chemical synthesis, shape it into the desire end product.  A scientist or chemist would tell you that its only the end product that matters.  100 percent correct?  It all depends on whether there are isomers and whether that makes a difference.  Synthetic vitamin E is a good example.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited March 2011

    Did y'all know that margarine is like one molecule away from plastic? Doesn't that just make you feel warm and fuzzy.....

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited March 2011

    Matty did you skip over the first paragraph on the Manufacturers page:

    About Taxotere® (docetaxel) Injection Concentrate chemotherapy  

    Taxotere® belongs to the taxane class of chemotherapy drugs. The active ingredient in Taxotere® is derived from the needles of the European yew tree, a renewable resource.

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