Taxotere is a nightmare

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  • tracie23
    tracie23 Member Posts: 598
    edited March 2011

    Marjie and Tonlee: I started getting the taxo tears today. UGGGGGHHHH

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited March 2011

    TonLee - If your platelets are low you would be transfused with platelets alone.  That is a separate product from a red blood cell transfusion.  You know how when you hear commercials that a blood donation can save three lives?  That is because they centrifuge off the red cells from the plasma and make multiple transfusable products from a single donation.  Platelet transfusions are very rapid - take about 20 minutes and don't require a Type & Crossmatch only a known blood type.  Platelets are clotting factors - they will transfuse them if you are having bleeding problems.

    Many docs pre-med a transfusion just like they do with chemo - they will give Tylenol and Benadryl an hour before the transfusion.  Platelet and plasma transfusions do not contain red cells which are usually what cause a reaction in the patient.

  • TonLee
    TonLee Member Posts: 2,626
    edited March 2011

    WOW special K, thanks for that info!!  My lab work says both RBC and platelets are (L) = low.  But unless I'm dying..I can forget about a transfusion.

    It's hard to make a decision right now on the taxotears.  I get really pessimistic for 2-3 days after a treatment and don't like to make decisions in that frame of mind.  I am really leaning toward NOT doing this, just taking a chance.

    He showed me the literature, and the 50% of people with perm. scarring were getting Taxotere every week.  There isn't much out (that he could find, and nothing for me today either) on people who get it every 3 weeks.  So I'm just going to imagine the odds of getting perm. scarring go down the longer it is between treatments. 

    Honestly, I don't know if I can do the whole general anesthesia next week.  I hate it and right now I feel CRAPPY.  What makes it all so tiring is I have to show up at 7am and then wait for an OR.  Laying there in those crappy gowns, freezing to death, until at least 1130 (he said today)...I just don't know if I'm up to it. 

    But I've always had eye watering issues with my left eye...and I'm a little concerned Taxotere will be the straw that breaks the camels back and makes it life long, chronic.

    He did give me steroid eye drops.  I've used them today and wow, viva la difference!  My eyes actually feel lubricated.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited March 2011
    I'm also chiming in with no more taxotears. I'm 6 weeks out. Forgot when they stopped but I do not have them anymore and I was walking in the cold wind today.
  • RacheltheMultiTasker
    RacheltheMultiTasker Member Posts: 13
    edited March 2011

    YES.  Taxotere is a nightmare...but...it sure does kill those BC cells!  I'm a 9 year survivor.  This June will be 10 years...pooh, pooh, pooh...keeps the evil eye away!  MEANWHILE...Taxotere can also leave you with PERIPHERAL NEUROPATHY.  I had 4 ice picks in me after Taxotere.  The two in my arms disappeared after about a year.  My FEET are NOT GOOD.  Does ANYONE out there KNOW about a peripheral neuropathy DATA BASE...about 3 years old ?  Does ANYONE out there KNOW about some research that was done in 2007 ? about REGENERATING the MYELIN SHEATHS from DAMAGE to NERVES from about 4 kinds of chemo...including TAXOTERE?  Please HELP if you can!

  • RacheltheMultiTasker
    RacheltheMultiTasker Member Posts: 13
    edited March 2011
    HONESTLY...THERE IS AN END TO THE WORST OF TAXOTERE!  I'm WALKING and WALKING and WALKING.  My support group is a Walking/Running/Cycling Group out of our BC Center.  I couldn't do without it...or...without a Board Certified Pain Specialist.  Highly recommend it.  Mine is also certified in Integrative/Alternative Medicine.  They have 999 ways of alieviating pain...without making you a vegetable.  You just have to HANG IN THERE.  The #!!#%%@^#%*^ DOES STOP...at least MOST of it.  IT IS POSSIBLE TO GET BACK TO DOING WHAT YOU WANT TO DO WHEN YOU WANT TO DO IT! ...WITH ADAPTATIONS...PAIN MEDS...EXERCISE...FRIENDS...FINDING SOMETHING GOOD TO CELEBRATE...and that BLOG on TOOLBOX...a SMILE EVERY DAY...THAT REALLY WORKS.  Was good to be reminded of it!
  • RacheltheMultiTasker
    RacheltheMultiTasker Member Posts: 13
    edited March 2011

    Dear Ang7,  There's something called MAGIC MOUTHWASH.  It's a Rx, but not expensive.  Your oncologist can phone it in.  It must have some kind of lydocaine? in it...something topical that dulls the pain.  Good Luck with this.  Also...if you have the white fuzzy thrush on your tongue...the probiotic CULTURELLE really takes it down...for me. 

  • mrsnjband
    mrsnjband Member Posts: 1,409
    edited March 2011

    SpecialK,

    Thanks for info on the blood transfusions.  I had 3 1/2 doses of taxotere.  I have had 2 separate blood transfusions.  I know they did do a type & cross match.  You provided info I had know idea about.  Even 2 1/2 years later, I am still anemic, mildly but anemic.  I still have fatigue, dizziness & I have motion sickness. I had a bone marrow biospy last year that stated I have non-specific bone marrow injury.  Which means, they have no idea why I am still anemic.  I believe it's do to the taxotere.  NJ

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited March 2011

    mrsnjband - Sorry to hear of your continued troubles with anemia.  I have only had one tx of TCH, my next one is next Thursday.  I am concerned because I am historically borderline.  Did you receive Neulasta?  Because it stimulates the production of white cells and not red cells I am left wondering if it permanently limited red cell production in your marrow.  If so, when combined with the known danger of marrow damage from Taxotere it might have been a double whammy.  I am just guessing here - but I will ask my boss.  She has 26 years experience as a blood banker.

  • Anniemomofthree
    Anniemomofthree Member Posts: 608
    edited March 2011

    SpecialK - thanks for all this info!  I am done with 3 of 6 TCH.  I went from a 11.3 to 10.3 to 9.3 to 9.  The day of #3 I was up to 9.7 - yeehaw!!!  In all three pregnancies I was in the 10 range...falling down to a 7.5.  I am curious, what is "low normal"?  My onco was talking (at 9) of a transfusion...said that 8.5 is when they transfuse.  

    Also, it seems like a given that everyone on TCH gets neulasta?  Is there a protocol for this with certain chemos or is it dependent on the WBC levels.  I have been on the low normal - 3.6 - with no talk of neulasta yet.  Will you get neulasta?

    Annie 

  • Ang7
    Ang7 Member Posts: 1,261
    edited March 2011

    Thanks RacheltheMultiTasker~

    I will give my onc a call about it...

  • tracyblue
    tracyblue Member Posts: 2
    edited March 2011

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  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited March 2011

    Tracey ~ Same comment to you here as on the other thread to which you just posted.  You need permission from our Moderators to post this sort of request.  Without that, there's no way of knowing who you are or what you will do with any information provided.  For everyone's protection, please go throught the proper channels if you wish to ask for survey participation.   Thanks.

  • SAMayoFL
    SAMayoFL Member Posts: 958
    edited March 2011

    SurvivorWoman - I am not sure if I missed it or not but are you close to the end of your treatment?  Have you had this problem all along or as you reached the end?  I hope you got the phone call today and you are doing much better!

    TonLee, I read on another thread, possibly the natural girls thread, that vitamin E in this delicate area helps the dryness we experience throughout chemo.  Again, TMI coming, but I use it there daily as well as on my port scar and mastectomy scar.  The radiologist and oncologist both were impressed by how great my scars look.  I have been using Vitamin E oil on both since day 1.  Hope you heal soon!

    Hey Marjie!!  Hooray for being finished!  You helped me so much when I went through my mouth sores.  I have never forgotten your kindness.

    Susan

  • Omaz
    Omaz Member Posts: 5,497
    edited March 2011
    Sam - How do you get the vit e oil?
  • marjie
    marjie Member Posts: 1,134
    edited March 2011

    Sam - Thank you!!  I am really starting to feel better everyday.  Just started rads today so I'm in a whole new chapter now.

    BTW everyone....Onc called me today to tell me MRI of my spine was 100% clear.  Going to do Iago's happy dance Laughing

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited March 2011

    anniemomofthree-

    My onc does Neulasta as a given.  I am TCH but I don't know if he orders Neulasta for all his patients or just for certain regimens.  He did not order it for me specifically when considering any of my counts prior to first tx.  I think some oncs do a "wait and see" and prescribe it if needed.  This may be due to the cost as I understand it is quite expensive.   My previous WBC (white count that controls infection) was 4.2 (low end of normal, the range should be 4.2-10.0) and a week after Neulasta was 18.5.  Neulasta will only boost production of white cells, not red cells.  I was pretty excited because it meant I could be in public on my last weekend with hair!  My RBC (red count linked to anemia) was low normal at 4.22, with a normal range of 4.20-5.40. These are the numbers that came up on the instant CBC one week after 1st tx of TCH.   From your post it seems like your first set of numbers is white count, and the 3.6 is your red count. If your red count drops too low a blood transfusion would most likely be the fixer, especially if you are exhibiting other symptoms of anemia like dizziness, fatigue, paleness, etc.

  • SAMayoFL
    SAMayoFL Member Posts: 958
    edited March 2011

    Omaz, I get Vitamin E oil at Walmart and it's really inexpensive.  I think like $5 per bottle and I am still using my first bottle.  Honestly, I had my mastectomy on September 27 and my scar is flat and really light.  It's not red and angry looking or anything.  Don't get me wrong, I don't think it's beautiful or anything but it looks a lot better than it used to.  My port scar is barely noticeable.

    Marjie, I am doing the happy dance for you too!!!  HOORAY!!!  I have a PET scan scheduled for April 8 and I am already experiencing scanxiety when I think about it!

    Tracie, how is your walking regime going?

    Susan

  • Anniemomofthree
    Anniemomofthree Member Posts: 608
    edited March 2011

    SpecialK - I have chemo brain! 

    The slew of numbers were the hemoglobin numbers. 

    My WBC was 3.6.  Still no neulasta.  Beginning to wonder why no neulasta... 

    Have a good night!!!

  • pejkug3
    pejkug3 Member Posts: 902
    edited March 2011

    Regarding the Neulasta...my onco doesn't give Neulasta unless a patient has to have it.  It's not standard of care for me.

    OUt of curiousity, is the lab result the only indication that your blood counts are low?  I have felt fine since TCH #1 (2/24).  I've had a headache for a couple days, but it could me that I'm sleeping on a new pillow.  I'm hoping and praying that my numbers stay high enough to stay on my chemo schedule...I already have my eye on June 9, should be my last chemo. 

  • Anniemomofthree
    Anniemomofthree Member Posts: 608
    edited March 2011

    pejkug3 - can't speak for all, but I had no clue that my hemogloben was so low that I was trending to a transfusion (since averted!).  I am halfway done with TCH (3 of 6).  I would call about the headache, although this may just come with the territory.

    Annie

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited March 2011

    anniemomofthree - ask your onc the "why no Neulasta" question.  He may have a cutoff and you might not be there yet.  It does cause bone pain for some, and for some it doesn't generate enough white cells anyway.  I would be curious what the answer is!  Don't worry about your chemo brain - I thought I had escaped it and then realized I have lost my cheat sheet of computer passwords, I made a new one (had to go to all sites and re-create since I had not memorized them) then I misplaced the new cheat sheet and today found it in my purse!  I am sure I will find the old original one in between the clean towels in the linen closet or something!

    pejkug3 - I would imagine that would be the only measure.  Are you having weekly CBC done? Or just before scheduled chemo?  I had a brutal headache after tx#1 (2/17/11) that lasted for about 6 days.  Some of the anti-nausea drugs also cause headache.  I know what you mean about staying on track, my last one should be May 26.  When my dad had chemo 10 years ago he did have a couple of delays due to blood counts.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited March 2011

    Omaz I got the Vit E oil at Trader Joes. I could repeat what SAMayoFL says. Even my PS who hadn't seen me since September prior to chemo commented on how soft the skin is. My port scar was initially very raised. It was flattened in a month even on chemo with the Vit E. I just rub it on with my finger. You can massage too to soften the scar. Initially I was doing it 2X a day. Now I just do it before I go to bed. I use extra virgin coconut oil in the morning because it absorbs quicker.

    Yay Marjie!!! That's great news!

    pejkug3 headache is a common SE of chemo and some of the drugs. Be sure to report this. I too was all worried about a delay in schedule. It happens but is not typical. I never had any delay and finished on schedule.

  • tracie23
    tracie23 Member Posts: 598
    edited March 2011

    Hi Susan , Still walking but I am in pain Yell I am going to start back at Curves tomorrow it is much easier on your body but I have to say that my neighbor hood is in full bloom right now it is so pretty and so nice to be outside but the cement kills my back and legs. I went to my daughters school for the 1st time since December , I am in charge of the PTO so I had to get on the ball to get the year finished out , it was great seeing everyone at school.

    I am so happy for Marjie first rads down.....

    Lago: I made the beef stew it was awesome.

    I hope Survivorwoman is doing ok and got her transfusion .

    SpecialK: I have a terrible case of chemo brain , It is so funny that you had to do that with the computer codes .... I did the same thing and found the old one under the couch Foot in mouth I was at the doctor the other day and it took me 20min to remember where I use to work I couldn't believe it..... and when I did remember I yelled out loud and everyone in the waiting room looked at me like I was crazy. Hang in there

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited March 2011

    Tracie, glad you liked it. It's my mom's recipe. What I like about it is there is no sugar added. I just added the peas the last time I made it. If you need it to be sweeter I bet you could add corn.

    I never could remember phone numbers. I make sentences and/or words out of them so I can remember. My BF's phone number from 25 years ago is To-Go-Ran.

  • kathleen1966
    kathleen1966 Member Posts: 793
    edited March 2011

    I never had one side effect with taxotere. God I hope it worked! 

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited March 2011

    tracie23 - the funny thing is I thought I had escaped chemo brain and had it so together.....  Come to find out it isn't so!  I have been through every file in the 4-drawer file cabinet (where I last saw it!) and even took the drawers out thinking it fell behind.  It is not like it could have left the house without me, right?  I even looked through the shreds in the paper shredder!  It is driving me CRAZY!  I was really upset when the replacement one disappeared.  That is the one I found in my purse.  I quietly celebrated finding it because I was in the car with my DH at the bank and I didn't want him to know I had lost the second one too!  Years ago I misplaced my cell phone in the house - I knew it was in the house because I had been talking on it when I came in.  I looked everywhere for it.  I found it 2 weeks later inside my son's paintball jersey on top of the clothes dryer!

  • tracie23
    tracie23 Member Posts: 598
    edited March 2011

    Specialk , I moved my daughters glasses and I cannot find them anywhere.... 2 weeks ago , she is going around blind ...uuuggghhhh

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited March 2011

    Kathleen I have read that SE have nothing to do with chemo working on not. Ask you onc. S/he will tell you the same thing. But I too hope it works, if it needs to work. For all we know the cells never got anywhere else or our body took care of it when it landed in other areas.

    Kinda like a breast cancer cell landed in a bone and the bone said WTF this isn't a bone cell lets destroy it. Tongue out (For some reason I always thing of this scene. About 2/3 of the way through the video when the line "what am I doing here" Not quite the same but still funny).

  • SpecialK
    SpecialK Member Posts: 16,486
    edited March 2011

    tracie23 - My DH misplaced his glasses right before Christmas and was convinced he left them on a restaurant table.  We went to that restaurant, the store we had been Christmas shopping in, searched the house and the car and the garage.  He was upset because they were really expensive frameless glasses that he wears every day.  He finally found them on the window sill in the dining room about 3 days later.  He said he put them there when we were eating dinner because wearing them made his food look "fuzzy" which made me laugh.  Now what is his excuse?  He is not getting chemo!  Actually he lacks the gene for retracing his steps!

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