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Suzybelle
Suzybelle Member Posts: 920
edited June 2014 in Lymphedema

My arm is driving me nuts.  It started swelling 3 weeks ago, so I started upping the MLD, wearing stupid oven mitt at night (Solaris), etc.  I had already been using the flexitouch every day and wearing my garments every day...then I had to start wrapping during the day and night, and now my arm is so big my compression garments are uncomfortable.  I have dropped 6 lbs, so I'm not gaining weight (except in stupid arm).

I'm now back in physical therapy 2 times a week and I am SICK OF THIS.  I'm sick of the discomfort, the stupid garments, the stupid bandages and the stupid freaking oven mitt.  SICK OF IT.  And to top it all off this nurse at my dr's office (because I get the treat of being in a dr. office every 3 mo. now thanks to BC.  Oh, joy) says, "At least it's not in your leg.  That would be worse."  WTF?  I mean, I don't WANT it in my leg, and maybe it WOULD be worse, but how is that helpful?  Seriously?  Please do me a favor and SHUT IT.

AND I'm not sleeping thanks to tamox.  I am sorry to bitch but I am really, really sick of LE.  Really sick of it.  Did I mention I'm sick of it? YellYellYellYell

Okay.  I feel better.  I will not stick a pen in anyone's eyeball today.  Amen.

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  • BoobsinaBox
    BoobsinaBox Member Posts: 550
    edited February 2011

    Suzybelle,

    It is the inexplicable changes that make LE worst, I think.  One day something works.  The next day nothing works.  I certainly hope you get this latest thing figured out and get back to the stage where brownies help and even don't make you gain back the 6 pounds.  I'm really proud of you for that loss! Thinking of you! 

    Dawn 

  • Suzybelle
    Suzybelle Member Posts: 920
    edited February 2011

    Oh, thanks, Dawn.  I shouldn't even be posting I'm in such a foul mood over my stupid arm, but I am jazzed about losing 6 lbs.  I need to get another 10 off before summer!!!!!!  But what's the point of looking good in a bathing suit if my arm is like HELLBOY?????

     Sorry.  I probably need meds today.  LaughingYou are so right - it's just the NOT KNOWING of why all the sudden my arm is all jacked up...when it's been okay for months with what I've been doing. 

    I had to wear compression bandages two straight days to work...it's hard as heck to get dressed for work in something warm when you're having to wear compression bandages. 

  • Marple
    Marple Member Posts: 19,143
    edited February 2011

    Suzy, the frustration of it all!  It's great you've lost 6 lbs. and what a kick in the a$$ to have your arm go nuts. 

    Your post is what we all want to say when things go amuck.  I'm sorry you are having such a crappy time of it.  Hopefully letting off a good rant will help your arm!!  Sigh, if only it were that simple eh?

    Hugs.

    Edit to add~I've been wondering where you'd been and thought no news was good news.  So much for that theory.Frown

  • Suzybelle
    Suzybelle Member Posts: 920
    edited February 2011

    Hi, Sharon!  How are you?

     I am terrible at being consistent on here.  My job is nuts most days and I just don't have time.

    The arm has been slowly getting worse over the last month or so, but it didn't get really bad until several weeks ago, and so far it's just not wanting to budge.  My LE therapist has me going to see her twice a week for the next 6 weeks and as much as I love her, I just would rather not have to, you know? 

    I am really sorry to rant...but I do feel better after getting all that out!!!

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited February 2011

    Suzy, you know that Binney and I have this theory that 1) flares cause dispair biologically and 2) flares cause distress psychologically--because it's the old theory of "learned helplessness" where the dogs couldn't escape the shocks no matter what they did, so eventually they just froze.

    And WTF--as you've always said, "You can't cure dumb"--at least it's not in your leg--well, my LE therapist has it in her leg, and she says, "At least I can wear pants and no one knows." And like, it's not a zero sum game here--it sucks no matter where it is.

    Well if your arm is going to defy logic--you do every thing right, you're losing weight (I'm so proud and envious) and you take care of yourself, and it's just being difficult--of course it's going to make you frustrated.

    Hopefully it just as weirdly as it decided to act up, it will settle down.

    And, as someone who just had HUMOUNGOUS polyps removed due to tamoxifen--my gyn called in awe with the sizes--and I'm like "so they're big, are they a problem??" That tamoxifen can make me just insane sometimes (sometimes?). 

    Hang in there, and man we miss you when you're gone, but like Sharon, I think you're in your cowboy boots, with gorgeous hair, just enjoying yourself.

    Kira

  • Suzybelle
    Suzybelle Member Posts: 920
    edited February 2011

    Kira!!!!! Kiss

    My hair is so heinous - I look like a cross between Medusa and Robert Plant, only red-headed.  I can't blow out my hair and so it's just a hot mess.  Another reason I'm in a pissy mood.  Good hair is just extremely important to good mental health, as we all know.

    How are you feeling?

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited February 2011

    Suzy, much better, thanks--recovering from the misguided anesthesia guy who limited my fluids to 250cc total! And he was so proud of himself. I think I'm finally rehydrated...

    When the gyn called with the path this morning, she was kind of somber, but it's benign, just big and at 52, I'm still pre-menopausal, so on with tamoxifen.

    Is it getting warm down south? Because your arm could be acting up due to temperature.

    Good hair is important to good mental health--my hair is so curly that I look like Rosanne Rosanadana if I touch it...Or, the Bride of Frankenstein in the mornings...

    I've been getting myofascial work on my frozen shoulder, and I think (fingers crossed here) that it's helping my LE, but as we all know, nothing is stable with LE.

    Kira

  • Suzybelle
    Suzybelle Member Posts: 920
    edited February 2011

    It has been warm here the past week, but not overly so - just really nice!  We got some bad winds last night and it's now alot cooler - but it's supposed to be sunny and 70 degrees tomorrow.  Hurrah!  It hasn't been hot...the freakish arm is just being difficult.

    So glad you're feeling better...tamox. is for the birds.  The only good thing is I haven't had a period in 9 months, but some days I think my head is going to spin around ala Linda Blair; like today!Tongue out

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited February 2011

    Suzy, how long have you been Sleepless in Tamoxland? Because for me, when I don't get enough sleep I flare. I realize that makes no biological sense, but LE doesn't make any sense anyway.Tongue out

    Hope you're soon on top of this latest LE up-rising!
    Binney

  • kcshreve
    kcshreve Member Posts: 1,148
    edited February 2011

    Chiming in with the "no sleep=flare" comment.  I have no insight into the why part, just commenting that I've noticed that trend in myself when I've either not slept well, or have been shorted on hours.  Don't know what that's all about.

  • Nordy
    Nordy Member Posts: 2,106
    edited February 2011

    Suzybelle... I love your post. Really. I know that it is so frustrating, and believe me I share in that frustration, but I absolutely love the way you laid it all out there. I hope you get some relief soon and congrats on the 6 pound weight loss! woooohoooo!

  • Marple
    Marple Member Posts: 19,143
    edited February 2011

    No sleep=flare?  Sheesh, I haven't had a good nights sleep in years!!!!

  • lrr4993
    lrr4993 Member Posts: 937
    edited February 2011

    I hate that you are having problems, but I have to tell you that the title of this thread cracked me up.

    eta:  LMAO - just read your post.  Again, I hate that you are having problems, but that was funny. Love the pen/eyeball comment followed with the Amen.  I am going to have to remember that one. 

  • Marple
    Marple Member Posts: 19,143
    edited February 2011
    Suzy, you have a gorgeous mane of hair!!!!  Did your rant help your arm by this morning?  Cause if it did I'll be very happy for you and preparing for a rant of my own.Laughing
  • timerdog
    timerdog Member Posts: 159
    edited February 2011

    Suzy I know this is off topic but you mentioned you were not sleeping due to Tamoxofin. I searched the side effects and could not find "trouble sleeping" or insomnia  listed. I started Tam about 4 weeks ago and my sleeping pattern is horrible!! I am wondering if this side effect is common, if so why isn't is mentioned more often.

    I might also say that I have an intense fear of LE! I had a full node dissection ( thanks to my old school DR. who ignored my pleads for just a SNB ). When I expressed my concerns about LE he replied " you have bigger thinks to worry about, like cancer". Sheeesh. What an A hole that guy was to deal with. 

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited February 2011

    Timerdog, I find tamoxifen doesn't help my sleep.

    What was up with your surgeon???

    We wrote a page on stepupspeakout.org that you might want to forward to him--it's for physicians who need some education on LE:

    http://www.stepup-speakout.org/essential%20informat%20for%20healthcare%20providers.htm

    Here's from the final paragraph:

    Lymphedema is a disease of abandonment and misunderstanding. It is NOT just swelling; it is derangement of the lymphatic system, derangement of connective tissue, progressive disability and impaired lymphatic functioning. It is a dreaded complication for very good reasons.

    You might want to have an assessment by a lymphedema therapist for baseline measurements and guidance.

    http://www.stepup-speakout.org/Finding_a_Qualified_Lymphedema_Therapist.htm

    You're aware and informed, and that's so important. Remember, the odds are still in your favor that you won't join the "swell club"

    Kira

  • Suzybelle
    Suzybelle Member Posts: 920
    edited February 2011

    Hi, ladies:

    I am not quite as insane today as I was yesterday but still have the Robert Plant 'do and the big, fat arm.  It 'seems' to be a little better, but honestly - it's just a thorn in my side, you know???  I KNOW you guys know what I mean!

    Timerdog, your surgeon definitely would benefit from a pen in the eyeball.  I printed out the info. kira posted on step-up speakout and sent it to my surgeon with a letter.  I dare him to call me...I actually did practically dare him...he needs to speak to a tamox. fueled big armed crazy woman.  I think he would learn a thing or two.

    I spoke to my obgyn about the insomnia - she says it IS the tamox. and it's caused by the hormonal changes. 

    lrr4993, I'm glad you got a chuckle out of my rant!!!  I'm not usually that unstable but am a wee bit nutty.  Laughing

  • timerdog
    timerdog Member Posts: 159
    edited February 2011

    Oy, if I were to tell you all about my surgeon you would find it utterly horrific! For one, he told me I had a 5 cm tumor and the only choice was a MX which he could schedule within days. So then I go talk to my female family Dr. She says the same thing, 5 cm tumor "not good" get the breast off ASAP and then deal with what you know. Ok, two days before xmas I have my surgery with the full node ( 18 ) removed. Like I said I pleaded with him just to do a SNB and then we see what we have. NOOOOO he does the stage 1 and 2 nodes. I wake up after the surgery and he tells me "my nodes were full of abnormal cell activity" therefore he removed as many as he could. Now bear is mind that I'm thinking I have a 5 cm tumor and stage 3 cancer, my situation is dire ( to me ).

    I go in on January 4th to get my path report, I am very concerned about cancer in the nodes. My Dr. tells me my nodes which cancer free which he can hardly believe because of the large tumor. Ok, this is good news but now I have chemo  to look forward to. I have been crying all the time, can't sleep, can't eat, cannot in the least enjoy life. I walked in the shadow of fear until I actually saw an oncologist ( first time seeing anyone who knows cancer ) and she tells me my tumor was less then 1 cm. No chemo for me, boy did I ever have to resist the urge the hug her! LOL

    That is my crappy story with a happy ending.

    Trish 

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited February 2011

    Timerdog, it sounds like a huge case of poor communication and really horrible treatment of you as a person who had to make decisions and wait for answers.

    So glad it was small in the end.

    Glad for the happy ending, and I found that I had some strong emotions around my breast cancer treatment, and I took a writing class and spewed them out, and some survivors in the class said to me: "Have you ever thought of journaling?" 

    Kira

  • NatsFan
    NatsFan Member Posts: 3,745
    edited February 2011

    Off topic, but I was having terrible sleep issues after starting Femara.  Several women on BCO recommended melatonin.  I checked with my onc who had no problems with it, so I started taking 3mg nightly.  It's been a life changer for me! I still wake up with hot flashes, but now I go back to sleep almost immediately, rather than being awake for the next hour like it used to be.  I know it doesn't work for everyone, but my QOL is SO much better since I started melatonin and started getting a good night's sleep.  Sorry to hijack the thread but I wanted to pass this along to my sleepless swell sisters!  Tongue out

    Trish - your surgeon sounds like he did nothing but make a bad situation into a nightmare. I hope you've filed a complaint with whomever regulates doctors in your jurisdiction.  Glad you found a good onc after such a bad experience.

  • NattyOnFrostyLake
    NattyOnFrostyLake Member Posts: 377
    edited February 2011

    Kira,

    That is a fabulous web site on lymphedema. Thank you for sharing it. Wow.

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited March 2011

    MattyGroves: thanks, a few of us who "met" on these boards worked on it--it was started by Jane to collect all the wisdom of Binney, and just kind of took off.

    NatsFan: we should start a thread on sleep--so good to hear that melatonin works for you--we need to get the word out.

    Kira

  • 3jaysmom
    3jaysmom Member Posts: 4,266
    edited March 2011

    hey guys, i don;t think ive been on this particular thread, but know many of you. i had bad insomnia before bc thats' just compounded since bc. will be watching to  see what else may help you. melatonin didn;t get it for me....3jays

  • Suzybelle
    Suzybelle Member Posts: 920
    edited May 2012

    I just wanted to look at this some more. Yell

    Because my arm is still big and fat.  And it still sucks.

    And it's wrapped right now, and it's hot as h#ll where I live, and that sucks.

    And I've started back to pt for the big fat arm, and I'm traveling non-stop, and I'm sick of everyone and their brother asking me what is wrong with my big, fat arm, and "Justified" is over with, there is construction going on at my house, and I'm supposed to be on a diet for my daughter's wedding in 3 weeks, and have lost NO weight, and summer is coming which means it will be hot as Hades, and I sweat like Elvis in Vegas, and my coworkers are driving me up the freaking wall and GAHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH.

    Okay.  I feel better. Thank you!!!!  Cool

  • marjie
    marjie Member Posts: 1,134
    edited May 2012

    Suzybelle - I know they shouldn't but your freak outs make me giggle.  Give 'em SH!T girl - you do whatever it takes to feel better.  There's not a single person on here who doesn't "get it"!

    ((hugs))

  • BeckySharp
    BeckySharp Member Posts: 935
    edited May 2012

    Oh Suzybelle--Rant away if it makes you feel better.  So much going on.  I think I would forget about the weight loss.  It is getting so hot here.  I hope I am not in for trouble!!!  Keep us posted.  Becky

  • Marple
    Marple Member Posts: 19,143
    edited May 2012

    Suzybelle~you have such a way with words.  You describe so well how we all feel. 

    Hugs Sistah.

  • kira66715
    kira66715 Member Posts: 4,681
    edited May 2012

    Suzy, You are going to be an awesome mother of the bride--I totally envy your future SIL to have such a way cool MIL.

    So, my daughter got married three weeks after my lumpectomy and I had a couple of dresses, those that could hide much of me, and those more revealing. I actually had lost weight, and wore the revealing one, and my LE started a few days later, so I look at the wedding photos and stare at my arm, seriously. The final days of my pre-LE life.

    However, it is a serious loss in our life to have Raylan gone. You have to appreciate the irony of the final episode where he "disarmed" the creep and our frustration with our arms....There is no substitute for Justified. But Elmore Leonard just wrote a book about Raylan.

    I've got construction also, just for a short while and Binney has a house diaster going on, and that's serious stress.

    And Mississippi in the summer, that's hot and steamy by definition.

    So, I hate the fact that your arm is being difficult and I celebrate the fact that you are an amazing woman and will dance at that wedding and celebrate the occasion, despite it all.

    And rant away. Because LE just flat out sucks.

    Kira

  • Binney4
    Binney4 Member Posts: 8,609
    edited May 2012

    Suzy, I'm sorry about every bit of itFrown, except the part where you feel better after you posted. Good!Kiss We get it!

    Fat arms weigh something, y'know? If you're seeing your therapist and lose some of that fluid you may well see some "weight loss" too, so don't give up hope on that just yet. Good things comin'!

    Be well!
    Binney

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited May 2012
    Suzybelle- Big fat arms do suck but your post gave me a laugh, which is something I haven't had much of since being dx with LE 4 weeks ago, so thanks for that!  Laughing

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