Taxotere is a nightmare

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  • Survivorwoman
    Survivorwoman Member Posts: 620
    edited February 2011

    Lago - it is never too late!!!! Never!!! You are one of the most positive women I know. You pull me out --a lot of times ---from my own misery just by writing a few positive thoughts here and there. Why would you be late for a Tykerb study?

    Anyway, there must be a way to search for clinical trials (clinicaltrials.org ?) in your area. There is a topic on this board somewhere that also deals with them. And I am sure that even after getting the standard treatment, which is currently Herceptin, you would qualify for a Tykerb study somehow. I was so much hoping to get in the Herceptin/Tykerb group for added protection, but it did not happen. My friends tell me that maybe it is for the best and my onc thinks this treatment is going to work just as well, maybe even better !? Who knows? That is what we are testing. I really hope so that it will work well, especially b/c -- like you said -- it crosses the blood/brain barrier, as I do want to survive this breast cancer, too. I still have a lot to do and to offer and to give in this life. Though, I am very low energy right now to do anything. But I am very hopeful.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited February 2011

    Survivorwoman I don't mean it's too late for me in terms of my survival… just too late to be part of the study since I have finished chemo and I'm already doing herceptin alone. There is no reason to think I even need this.
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    I'm finding I need to rethink how I say things now that I've had cancer. Last week I said to my dermatologist on the way out I said what I normally say when something is minor: "Oh great so I'm going to live Wink" Well my dermatologist starts with this "Yes you are going to live a long time. To be an old lady." Oops I forgot that now these doctors take me seriously when I say that. So much for my dry sarcastic humor. (Was seeing the dermatologist for the finger issue). Oh too funny.

  • Survivorwoman
    Survivorwoman Member Posts: 620
    edited February 2011

    I know you did not mean in terms of survival, I know. I should not be so dramatic either, I don't know what is going on with me. I think you would qualify for another study.

  • tracie23
    tracie23 Member Posts: 598
    edited February 2011

    So today my mouth is like a sludgy milky hot tasteless hole.... nothing taste good and In my mind everything I think of is supposed to tastes great....I am hungry ...... and annoyed...since Sunday I have been sleeping non-stop today I woke up @ 7:30 and by 8:30 I couldn't stay awake so I slept until 2:00pm. It is only 4:00 and I am ready for bed again... help meeeee.....

  • coni111852
    coni111852 Member Posts: 419
    edited February 2011

    Wow tracie I'm the opposite I can't stay sleep...I need to take a gravol so I can go to bed and no naps for me at all

    I have some of taste buds but my tongue just feels weird, is like white but is not thrush. Doc lowered dose which has helped so much last time it took me over a week to start feeling better this time only 5-6 days and I'm starting to get there. pain was a lot less thank God last time I had really bad back spams to the point it felt like electric wave shots going from lower back to upper back, mouth sores all the way down to stomach, plus thrust, really bad acid. This time is just mainly the bad acid.. And a bit of soreness specially on knees it gets hard to go up and down the stairs

    But I just have two more to go...I hope u all feel well soon!!

  • Kadyann
    Kadyann Member Posts: 53
    edited February 2011

    I know that some of you have mentioned having watery eyes while receiving TCH.  i wondered if anyone has found any relief from this.  My last treatment was 12-28 and i still have watering.  I thought that it was getting better but today seems to be worse again.  I am also very swollen under my eyes.  i would love to hear from anyone else with this problem.  My onc called it "taxo-tears" so I am assuming it is from taxotere and not the herceptin which I am still getting.

  • webu
    webu Member Posts: 87
    edited February 2011

    Kadyann - I also have watery, irritated eyes. My oncologist recommened Systane (sp?) drops which I was using, but they didn't help. I saw my ophthalmologist last week and he said my eyes were very dry (which strangely enough causes the tearing) and he put plugs in my tear ducts, which he said would keep moisture in my eyes so they wouldn't get so dried out. That was 5 days ago, and since then my eyes have been watering worse than ever. I have since learned that sometimes these plugs work too well and have to be removed. I also learned that there are temporary plugs which dissolve after a couple of months and should be used before the permanent plugs to see if they work. My ophthalmologist gave me the permanent ones, which can be removed, but it is a more difficult (and presumably uncomfortable) procedure. Grrrr!  I'm now looking for a new ophthalmologist. 

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited February 2011

    My last chemo was Jan.18th and I had those taxotears. Much much better now. Does your onc think you should see an opthamologist just to be safe?

    BTW everyone I went to the dentist yesterday and had no issues. When I was on chemo (and still do) I flossed every night and used biotene mouth wash every night (and of course usual brushing). Be sure to take care of your teeth and gums. Dry mouth/chemo can be hell on your gums and teeth if you don't take care of them.

  • Omaz
    Omaz Member Posts: 5,497
    edited February 2011
    lago - Good for you!  Unfortunately I got two cavities during chemo.  I haven't had a cavity in forever so I was bummed.  But then I heard that folks can have even more serious mouth problems so well OK two cavities is not so bad!  My problem was the nausea at night - I would feel better if I got up and ate a little cottage cheese or something and I didn't brush every time I did that.
  • Trisha-Anne
    Trisha-Anne Member Posts: 2,112
    edited February 2011

    Tracie

    (((((((hugs))))))))

    Sleep - your body obviously needs the rest to help you recover.  How long ago was your last treatment?


    Trish

  • marjie
    marjie Member Posts: 1,134
    edited February 2011

    Kadyann - I am only 3 wks out from my last tx and my taxotears are making me crazy.  I had an appt with my onc yesterday and complained bitterly but she said there really isn't a tried and true solution.  She said it was usually directly related to the loss of lashes (of which I lost 'em all) which protect your eyes from all the dust and particulates floating around in the air.  Without lashes, this all gets in your eyes and causes them to dry out which then causes you to tear up to try to clear your eyes.  She also suggested Systane or other artificial tears but said you had to use it a lot until you would notice a difference.  The drops would help clear the particles from your eyes and keep them moist.

    Most frustrating was that she said it could last up to 2-3 months :(.  My sister is sending me a bottle of Latisse....I'm hoping it gets here soon and that it helps!

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited February 2011

    Marjie I still have most of my lashes… actually I might have thinned a little this past week and my taxotears are better. I'm not so sure it's due to missing lashes. Not saying that some of it might be due to that but not in my case. A month ago I walk down the street with tears rolling down my cheeks. I couldn't even read at home because every time I looked down my eyes would water up so I couldn't see.

    Like I said it's been 5 weeks and it's almost gone. You may not have to go the full 2-3 months.

  • marjie
    marjie Member Posts: 1,134
    edited February 2011

    Iago, or anyone.....have you noticed fluid retention on herceptin?  I just had my first herceptin alone tx today and I am noticing that my kankles are returning.  They swelled at my last tx but I thought it was the taxotere.

  • Kadyann
    Kadyann Member Posts: 53
    edited February 2011

    Thanks for the replies.  The funny thing is that I did not lose my lashes and if they thinned it was minimal.  I almost wish that was the problem as then i could hope that it would go away when the lashes came back!  I also am hoping to use Latisse but am afraid to start because of the tears.  I also really want the swelling to go down.  I am not very patient, but darn it I want to feel normal again!!

  • IllinoisNancy
    IllinoisNancy Member Posts: 722
    edited February 2011

    When I saw my onco today and complained about the red eyes and tears he had me put ice on my eyes during the treatment and told me to follow up with Artificial Tear Drops every 4 hours when they are watering. As far as the loss of vision, he said that will improve after treatment is over. I only have one more treatment after today and that is March 16th.  I can finally see the finish line :)

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited February 2011

    Marjie I'm still on a diuretic that I started a few says after my last herceptin only. I didn't notice my swelling went up right after the herceptin but I was pretty swollen to begin with. Remember I lost 8lbs in 2 days once one the diuretic. I'm only on it for a month so we'll see.

    Do report that you are retaining fluid on herceptin. Remember you can have congestive heart failure (that is reversible usually) on herceptin. Swelling in the legs/ extremities can be a sign of this. I would be very alarmed if you  had shortness of breath too.

  • marjie
    marjie Member Posts: 1,134
    edited February 2011

    Thanks Iago...no shortness of breath but I am aware that I should watch for it.  There is another site that is all HER+ support and Herceptin - several women have posted there about swelling while they are on herceptin.  I am definitely going to report it to my onc.  Seems fast since I just had tx this morning.

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited February 2011

    Oh my if its that fast yes you should!

  • TonLee
    TonLee Member Posts: 2,626
    edited February 2011

    Glad to know I'm not the only one with lower back pain.....not that I want anyone else to suffer...but it is obviously a side effect...speaking of which...I saw my Endo today (hypothyroid)...and he said chemo is really bad for your bones (no duh), but then he told me it usually effects two places on the spine first...the hump up top (where you see little old ladies bend over) and THE LOWER BACK...right where I feel those horrible spasms.

    So I wonder if maybe my muscles are cramping because the bone density is changing there.  I can't go to the gym and do heavy lifting because of all the germs...and it's hard to work that part of the body with resistance at home (resistance/weight training helps build/slow bone loss).

    Hope that's not it.

    I also saw my Onc.  He's pretty young.  I told him about the Acetyl -l-carn. and he never heard of it before.  So he looked it up and the National Cancer Institute in Phase 3 of a study using it for Taxotere neuropathy.  (Which is what I told him, but he had to check..heh).  He told me it was fine, (and I left an empty bottle with him so maybe he'll recommend it to others) and he wrote me a scrip for B6. 

    He also told me I will just have to suck up the taxotears....and they've been really bad this week...but no bloody nose this time!  I'll see what the opthomologist says next week when I meet with him...probably same thing. 

    I go for #5 on Tuesday....and while I felt fantastic last week, this week I'm tired.  And grumpy.

  • coni111852
    coni111852 Member Posts: 419
    edited February 2011

    Tonlee I hear u one minute I'm fine the next infer so freaking grumpy, just want to punch something so I decided to punch a pillow, it felt so good Ofcourse it tired me out so much..lol

    I too have hypothiroid, take mess for it but I haven't check for levels I will ask my family doctor to send for check up, I don't know how much damage the Chemo does to thyroid...

    Is anyone experiencing low hemoglobin? Mine is at 92.,.. I don't want a blood transfussion they said I would get it if I get side effects... I will start iron supplements, once my heartburn gets better next week....

  • marjie
    marjie Member Posts: 1,134
    edited February 2011

    Coni - I had low hemoglobin and did have to have a transfusion once....I remember mine was in the 90's so they were watching it but it nose dived the next day (I can't remember the number...70's somewhere maybe?) and my BP dropped too.  Supplements are not going to help your blood counts so be careful.

    TonLee - are you on Nuelasta or Nuepogen?  When the Nuepogen was kicking in, I would get jolts up and down my spine usually when I first stood up.

  • TonLee
    TonLee Member Posts: 2,626
    edited February 2011

    Coni,

    I take synthroid and Armour thyroid.  The addition of Armour changed my life!!  Until then I couldn't lose weight, puffy eyes, all the symptoms no matter how much Synthroid they gave me.

    You should get your dose adjusted twice a year at least.  You need less in the spring and summer, more in the fall and winter.  It took about 5 years but we have the seasonal fluctuations down to a science for me.  I take 50 mg in the fall and winter, 37 in the spring and summer.

    I also have low RBCs.  But they don't do transfusions unless it's so bad I can't function.  For me that will be when I'm dead, or at least unconscious.

  • TonLee
    TonLee Member Posts: 2,626
    edited February 2011

    Marjie,

    I take Neulasta the day after chemo. 

    I HOPE its from that...lol, and not from losing bone density.

  • coni111852
    coni111852 Member Posts: 419
    edited February 2011

    Tonlee - I had the same pain the first taxotere and second neaulasta omg the back pain was so bad I couldn't move and sleep, the knees too could not walk or go up and down the stairs. The onc lowered my Chemo 130 to 115 not much and also the nealuasta from 6mg to 4 mg has made a huge difference pain was not as bad back spasm are a lot lot less I only took Tylenol once the rest I suck it up....they told me not to exercise because of the hemoglobin since red cells are low, nit enough oxygen going in the blood :(

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited February 2011
    The first time I took Neulasta the back pain was so bad I could not stand up straight! After that I started to take Aleve but check with your oncs. If your platelets are low you may not want to take Aleve. I only took it for 2 days for Neulasta.
  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited February 2011

    For the pain... Claratin really does seem to work.

  • Omaz
    Omaz Member Posts: 5,497
    edited February 2011

    I found claritin worked too.  I *think* the neulasta shot is time release neupogen and the release lasts about 10 days so I took the claritin for 10 days.

  • Survivorwoman
    Survivorwoman Member Posts: 620
    edited February 2011

    Lago -you are right again. I took care of my teeth before I started chemo, yet, I can't wait for going to get another dental cleaning. During chemo my gums started to bleed, and progressively it got worse and worse, even from the softest toothbrush and the most gentle brushing, ....and flossing... OMG.. is still a nightmare. I had great gums before chemo. Now I am afraid to even brush my teeth.

    Also Lago: I saw that you and Marje mention shortness of breath in terms of Herceptin. I get that, too, I think from Tykerb, which is strange, b/c I shouldn't. Do you think it might be the one of the side effects of taxotere?

    TonLee - how many more treatments do you have?

  • tracie23
    tracie23 Member Posts: 598
    edited February 2011
    It is almost 10:00pm ... I just woke up about an hour ago.. I posted earlier around 4:00 saying I needed to go to bed again... I did.. I feel asleep around 6:00 I can't seem to stay awake today. And when I do wake up I wake up in a hot flash from hell and I am the meanest woman in town.... uuuggghhhh. I will be so happy to put on this site that I have had a great day and I am so happy and blah blah blah blah blah Sealed
  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited February 2011

    Tracie as you can see my sleep can be erratic too. I slept from 10-1am and now I can't fall back to sleep. I can't even blame it on a hot flash. I think it's a combo of slight heartburn and my LE arm is a little sore.

    Survivorwoman Taxotere can cause you to retain fluid too although I don't know about heart issues with it… but if  you are having shortness of breath I highly recommend you contact your onc. Every time I reported fluid retention they asked me about shortness of breath… because this can be a serious SE. Seems there are 2 types of patients. The ones that report every little hangnail and those like us who try to wait it out thinking it will go away. It was hard but I learned I have to report these things. Your onc can't help you if s/he doesn't know there is a problem.

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