Is it me or is this offensive?
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Actually, it was David Keith who made the "ta-ta" remark in Officer and A Gentleman". Love his authentic Southern accent! he's from the eastern end of my state.
LOVED the Test. Spec. name for a dance (you know the old white men can't jump---can't dance ??) I just have visual of all the awkward young men I used to dance with and all of them on the dance floor jerking their arms about, and no gals. LOL, LOL.
Elizabeth, I had never considered that using "friendlier" terms would be more acceptable to those who are not "involved" with bc, and perhaps encourage them to seek mammos and other dx. procedures----- is an excellent point.
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Dotti...David who? I only saw Tom Cruise!!!! Was David the redhead who crashed? I only saw Tom Cruise!!!! Did I mention I saw Tom Cruise???
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I don't know about making it 'friendlier' to call them ta tas to get a mammo. If you are old enough to be worried about breast cancer, you probably call them breasts......
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Not me. And I am WAY old enough (and a nurse) and I have to admit that getting yearly mammos was my daughter's idea, not mine. Besides, we'd been watching microcals in the OTHER boob, what did I have to worry about. Like everyone else, it happens to others, not me.
So I was SO not worried about bc. Even when the rads guy wanted an ultrasound, I just kept reading my book, not thiniking a thing about finding bc. ( Loved living in De Nile, it's a lovely place and people are so friendly there) You can imagine the shock when he told me it was bc. Took me about an hour to wrap my head around becomming another stastistic. LOL, actually told him I was more worried about him having to tell me than being upset myself. I didn't actually come to a realization untill I'd sat in the car for a half hour or so. (I'm slow that way)
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It's an interesting thread. There are all different types of women who get stuck in this boat. Some of us like things straight forward, some of us are a little more twisted.
When I go to a BC event and I am 20 years younger than anyone else in the room, it is scary. For some reason awarness messages that are a little "sassy" feel right to me.
Still a doctor's office should probably err on the safe side.
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Does any of you know about the "Keep A Breast" foundation? The ones with "I love boobies" crap, like bracelets with two breasts on them for kids to wear at school? they even have a facebook page. I am so sorely tempted to make a facebook group "Breast cancer survivors agains the idiots from Keep A Breast Foundation - learn the truth about keeping your breasts!".
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Hmm.... I am practicing just walking away from things that p*ss me off.... including posts on BCO. I think it's working, 'cause I'm getting a lot more stuff done around the house.
"People, women especially, are so offended by EVERYTHING these days..."? I wonder why.
otter
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JB, a lot of women ARE offended by all the pink. You haven't been through an October yet as a breast cancer patient. I don't find it's the survivors that do all the ra-ra crap, but their "friends" as if supporting the "cause" supports their friends. Heck, just do my laundry or clean my house!
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I don't see them labeling soup cans with pictures of BC scars in the near future. I myself am tired of finding a pink ribbon on my food. I go out of my way to find ones without...
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Where's the evidence that the same women who are offended by terms like "tits" and "funbags" (from the other thread) are the ones who want to be "defined by the pink ribbon"? And, since when is my disgust with the terms "tits" and "funbags" an indication of political correctness?
I guess I need to take my own advice and walk away. I promise I'll be first in line next October to resurrect the "Pepto Bismol" thread.
otter
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Sorry, JB. I guess I'm just feeling easily riled today. There's a huge stack of forms and documents on my placemat at the kitchen table right now, waiting for my turn at them. Taxes. Grrrrrr!!!!! And, I can't even get paper copies of the instructions anymore, without printing out pdf's from the dot-gov website. I am so not interested in doing taxes today. (And I've put them off for 2 days already. My dh is getting impatient with me. He takes first crack at 'em, and my job is to recheck everything to look for mistakes.) Now, there's something offensive: the U.S. tax code. Sorry -- that's for another thread.
JB, have you seen "The Scar Project"? Google it.
otter
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JBin, a part of me really agrees with you in the following sense: being offended by something is somehow very feminine, by tradition, and also very much a part of our modern political correctness chic in which the person who claims offense immediately gains center stage and is accorded the moral high ground no matter what. So many times, I want to say: "Shut up and sit down."
Having said that, I, the author of those words, grudgingly admit to often being offended by the trash that surrounds the diagnosis of breast cancer. We have been hijacked by corporate image makers who have washed us in a disgusting colour (pink) and declared that it is all about the body part, when it really is all about the disease.
I tend not to get offended by societal constructs very easily, as I have a comorbidity that puts me in the category of history's laughingstock/disgraced. I suppose my real bitterness with the breast cancer movement comes from the fact that so very many make fame and money out of my misery. At least with my other disorder, even the practitioners continue to be booed in some dark ages circles.
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I went on the SCAR project website and clicked to buy a book.....it was SEVENTY-FIVE dollars - DANG!!!!!!
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I went to the ta-ta's site... and learn some things....The Woman Behind ta-tas®
- Julia FikseHi! I'm Julia Fikse, founder of ta-tas® Brand and The Save the Ta-tas® Foundation. Thanks for stopping by to take a look at our ta-tas®, LOL the Brand that is! As you probably guessed, I love to laugh! I also think taking time to be positive and appreciate the joys of life can lift our spirits and renew our hope for the future.
I'm not a breast cancer survivor, but my grandmother and aunt survived breast cancer. Yah, they're rockstars. Though they lost their ta-tas, we didn't lose them to cancer. I know how scary cancer is and that it must be stopped. I believe together we can stop it.
When you buy one of our products, a donation is created for The Save the Ta-tas® Foundation. Our foundation funds exciting and innovative research (I like to call it "rogue research") searching for fresh approaches to the fight against cancer. Yep, we're like treasure hunters with test tubes.
It's my hope that you stay awhile and find some things you like because ta-tas® is a brand that's fun to wear and share with others. Share a laugh, share a story, share a picture on our "show us" page, share hope, and share valuable funds in an effort to make cancer history. After all, as awesome as ta-tas are, we're not just saving ta-tas, we're saving lives.
so you see, raising awareness by a braclet, or a tshirt isn't about the ta-ta.. it's about saving lives.. OUR lives.. our grandmother, mothers, daughters, aunts and even mens lives. The more knowledge people recieve about what to do when to do it, can decrease the cases in future years...
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Well Monica, you can also see that SHE is not a survivor! So our point is made.
JBin I have about a 21" scar running from under one arm pit to under the other one. Wann see it?
I wear my flat chest as my cancer shield. I fought it and so far, am winning.
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Ah JBin, my scars would look just like yours!! And yes you can use my "cancer shield" line. You can also use: "Why should I wear fake breasts to make YOU feel better?" No one says to me "I guess it's all over now, right?" If I have to look at my flat chest, so does everyone else around me!
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JBinOK- I am loving everyhting you are posting...I wear my I heart boobies proudly!
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When did it start being "I heart" and stop being "I love"???????? I missed that memo and hate the way it sounds. I liked when it was I LOVE NEW YORK or something. Not I HEART New York!!
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What's with the pages repeating themselves? I've read the same pages a couple of times but with different page numbers. Weird!
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That was my exact point.
1. It's again one of those things founded by someone who had someone in the family affected by BC, not themselves be a BC survivor. So obviously has no idea how that resonates with some of us.
2. And again the focus is on "boobies", like the "touch a boob" campaign on facebook. The message of "save a life" is lost somewhere. Do you really think those kids when they get a "I
boobies" bracelet really understand what this is about or they just giggle and make fun?
Honestly, IMHO, a campaign that would show the scars would be more efficient into convincing women to do regular self-checks and yearly mammos. Not this whole pink fluffy crap.
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If I'm not mistaken I have posted links to the Scar project several times on this forum.
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I love the Scar Project - I wouldn't have posted about it if I wouldn't have loved it.
I don't like the "keep a breast". To me it's just another piece to get money for a lot of socials and other fun activities for the organizers with too little money left to donate.Edited: and oh, yes, I hate the "I
boobies" part.
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Loved the scar project.JBin I want one of those t shirts as well.
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JBinOK - the message is "I
boobies". Not "do a self-exam". Did you read my previous post about kids wearing those bracelets at school?
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whining is a chick thing????? well this "chick" takes offense at being called anything than what I am, a woman. I resent the disrespect to myself as a woman. I resent any phrase or name that is disrespectful to a human being that includes nigger, chink, eyetie etc. Using slang can be just as demeaning. It is a matter of self respect and I do actively fight it so my daughters will not be considered second class for being female in male dominated fields. Yes, those words do cause bias and it still is out in the real world. If we do not police it amongst ourselves, we cannot police it amongst others.
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I can see where some people would find it offensive. I think it is catchy and cute myself and helps bring awareness to some people that way. There is a website I promote called Feel your boobies that is a cute and effective way to get the message across.
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I'm just looking for something to take offense?????? What? Obviously, an interesting discussion or discourse of the matter is not going to happen. What a shame that an important psychological point is totally overlooked or understood.
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I'm with JBin. Men seem to have a much better sense of humor about cancer.
Ladies....meet Mr Testicles the testicular cancer "mascot" who shows up at all sorts of events to help raise awareness.
Can you imagine the outrage if Ms. Breasts existed and did the same thing?
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JB... "whining"? "chick thing"? You obviously have no idea to whom you are talking to, and everyone who is not of your opinion, for you, is a whiner. Probably in your neighborhood you are the local self-appointed "wise momma" and got your place by emotionally bullying. And you seem to have no problem with being objectified. Your choice, not mine.
No, "chick", I am not whining. I have no chips on my shoulder (and btw I have no kids either). I am infuriated. And not ashamed to say it in the face of anyone who might tell me anything about "pink fluffies" and crap like that. I am not taking actions and insulting in forums - I go and talk to the people involved. You don't even want to know what I do during "pinktober".
I think (my opinion) that anyone who is trying to make easy anything (i.e. pink fuzzy stuff, I
boobies, save the Ta-Tas) concerning this disease is not very well endowed in the intelligence chapter, and is out only to make money by pulling the strings (more emotional or more "weird humor" as they might be) of people so they can open their wallet, to donate an amount of which maybe 5% will actually reach the research for cancer. Do you have any idea how much organizing events like the ones posted on the "keep a breast" website cost? Compared to how much money they bring? And from those money, after paying the people who work for the foundations, what is left to actually donate? It's like one of those pink ribbon labels on the can of soup with the very very fine print that says "for each can of soup xxx company will donate 10 cents up to $100.00 dollars to research" - and this coming from multi-billion dollars companies.
It is an insult to the ones who are actually suffering of the disease. To the oneswho have suffered long hours, days, months and years of agony over how this has changed their life, and how it will still change it.
You can write your perorations as much as you want - to me it's not wise. It's just a cry for attention and a try to get a "leadership" position even in a forum where you don't know anyone and the chances are that you will not ever meet any of the women here. Quite pathetic.
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I am offended by the focus on "saving" a body part, not on saving women's lives.
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