I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange
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BarbaraA,
The difference between kings granting waivers and the waivers under the health care bill, is that the ability to apply for waivers was part of the legislation passed by congress. It is not something the administration is doing on its own. This is a false equivelent.
Another false equivelent in a different article was about Bismark riding a waive of popular unrest to unite Germany. The article criticsed Obama for failing to ride the waive of popular unrest in Egypt to bring in democracy. Bismark was a German in Germany who was politically powerful in his own country. Obama is not an Egyptian with political power in Egypt. Do you see the false equivelency in this example as well?
Here is an article from the New York Times that goes into more detail on who is getting waivers and why. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/07/business/07insure.html
It is obvious that there is a great deal of resistance on the part of insurance companies and corporations to the health care law. Not surprising.
Here is a link to some Logical Fallacies: http://www.philosophicalsociety.com/Logical%20Fallacies.htm
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What about raising the taxes on the Rich especially since you all have convinced me "I'm" poor now!
Seriously, they need to quit bankrupting us with all their wars and spending money they don't have. That must be one heck of a great printing machine Washington has which keeps popping out all that play money! If I could find a cheap Chinese language course, I think it would behove me to take it!
I would say "Happy Valentine's Day" but I don't celebrate anything to do with being happy. Bad for my nasty disposition and I didn't get that crummy 35 cent candy bar I asked for anyway! I think I will buy the factory and make all the chocolate I want! To those who got their chocolate, have an extra piece for me!
Shirley: Why can't you answer the questions I ask you on here about your posts? If you have me on "Ignoranmous" please let me know so I will stop wasteing my time trying to communicate with you. I took the time to read your links but had a couple of questions. It doesn't matter any more. Thanks to Arimidex, I forgot what I wanted to know!
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There has been mention here, on and off, about how to characterize our views and whether labeling is fair, and where we each stand.
So I thought I would start a (hopefully fun) exercise of naming different topics and simply stating where one stands on the political spectrum in as few words as possible. I think it would be interesting to see how diverse we each are on different subject matters. It is not merely all liberal vs. all conservative.
So I start. I consider myself a liberal, but as you go down this list, you will find that some qualification is needed....
Federal and state budget and tax policy: liberal (tax progressively, regulate sensibly and spend a lot in times of recession. Krugman and Keynes are my masters.)
Foreign affairs: Varies by situation. Usually on the liberal side.
Education: Probably conservative (strongly opposed to social promotion; unsure about vouchers and children and adults need to be taught personal responsibility.)
Abortion: liberal (notice that I am not stating the view, but where I stand ideologically on the issue. But for the record, I prefer choice and dislike abortion.)
Poverty: liberal (A new War on Poverty is needed.)
Immigration: Center right. Enforce, make people stand in line and assimmilate and tell Mexico in no uncertain terms that we are not here to solve its socioeconomic problems. All sides need to take personal responsibility. Do not deny illegals three basic rights: the right to life, education and healthcare.
Healthcare: Liberal. It is a universal right that the government must guarantee.
Trade: Hmmmmm interesting. Pro free trade but only with similar economies. NAFTA definitely needs an overhaul. Don't know where that stands on the spectrum.
Law enforcement: conservative. Pro death penalty, but not for a single murder. At the same time, liberal in prison policy. More emphasis is needed on rehabilitation and, with the exception of sex offenders, felons who have served their time should not be labeled for life.
Drugs policy: Ultra, ultra conservative. Death penalty for drug traffickers. I support coming down hard on states and foreign governments who do not do enough to stem the tide.
Non traditional marriage: liberal. I support all types of unions, as there is no right and wrong.
The role of religion in public life: liberal. Get rid of "under God", and I oppose the White House faith-based initiatives. Religion should have no more role in public life than the boy scouts.
Respect for science- and evidence-based practices in pertinent areas such as medicine and the environment: liberal. I believe in evolution and global warming and think religion should be kept out of science. You are entitled to your point of view but not to the facts.
I suppose I could sum up my views as favoring a balance between personal and collective responsibility.
Anyone else?
Again, here are the categories:
Federal and state budget and tax policy
Foreign affairs
Education
Abortion
Poverty
Immigration
Healthcare
Trade
Law enforcement
Drugs policy
Non traditional marriage
The role of religion in public life
Respect for science- and evidence-based practices in pertinent areas such as medicine and the environment
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Talking about cards we have received which were "extra" special to us reminds me of one I will keep forever and it certainly wasn't from DP! I worked for a company for several years and had a great relationship with all the employees I grew to love and they loved me back. When I had to leave due to DP being laid off and wanting me home to continue our travels, at the end of the day I was leaving I saw this magnificent bouquet of gorgeous roses on my desk. It was from two of the men I worked for and when I read the card it has stayed in my heart forever:
"Others may miss you, but "we'll" never "forget" you!"
This is not something two men usually say but I knew why they felt this way and that one card has made up for all the thousands of other cards I never got from the person I left to return home to. The roses ended up dying after a while as flowers do but to this day, I still have their card and when I am sad like on this Valentine's Day, I remember that many times we are loved in special ways by people we touch in our life's journey and they aren't always the ones we get to travel to the end with. But travel we must!
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Wow Athena, that's quite a list. I will just tackle the last subject for now. I do not believe that the Bible and science are mutually exclusive, I believe th Bible tells us what God did, at the level of scientific thought when it was written, not how God did it. A lot of scientific research has been done by men of God. Gregor Mengel who discovered dominant and recessive traits in peas was a Catholic monk. The Vatican Observatory is staffed with well respected astronomers. As for the Big Bang, why not, if it started by God?
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Interesting list, Athena . . . I will try to weigh in later. Right now, my news flash is that I find myself in wholehearted agreement with conservative commentator Michael Medved! (Not sure that has EVER happened before.) He has a short piece in today's online Wall Street Journal making the point that Obama Derangement Syndrome (or whatever you want to call it) isn't just unbecoming, and the conspiracy theories associated with it aren't just nutty - they're also profoundly dysfunctional for *conservatives.* The WSJ is subscription only, so I don't know if the link will work, but here are some representative snippets:
"None of the attacks on Mr. Obama's intentions offers an even vaguely plausible explanation of how the evil genius, once he has ruined our "strength, influence and standard of living," hopes to get himself re-elected. In a sense, the president's most paranoid critics pay him a perverse compliment in maintaining that his idealism burns with such pure, all-consuming heat that he remains blissfully unconcerned with minor matters like his electoral future. They label Mr. Obama as the political equivalent of a suicide bomber: so overcome with hatred (or "rage") that he's perfectly willing to blow himself up in order to inflict casualties on a society he loathes.
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Regardless of the questionable pop psychology of this analysis, as a political strategy it qualifies as almost perfectly imbecilic. Republicans already face a formidable challenge in convincing a closely divided electorate that the president pursues wrong-headed policies. They will never succeed in arguing that those initiatives have been cunningly and purposefully designed to wound the republic. In Mr. Obama's case, it's particularly unhelpful to focus on alleged bad intentions and rotten character when every survey shows more favorable views of his personality than his policies."
And here's a link to try:
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I'll take a shot at the list and look forward to seeing the responses of others. Here are my responses to the first five items on the list.
Federal and state budget and tax policy (Libertarian)
The tax code needs to be simplified and subsidies to industry, special interests and farming need to be reviewed and put up for a vote every five years. The tax deductions for charities need to be phased out as does the tax free status of all religious organization. I think we need to stop using the tax code as subsidies for powerful groups.
Foreign affairs (Quasi Isolationist)
We need to reduce our military presence in foreign countries. We currently maintain 700 military bases in 130 countries. Let's close some bases and reallocate the career military so we can send the National Guard and Army Reserve back home. If unnecessary bases close, the military can be more pro-active in giving dishonorable discharges to drug addicts and criminals who have infiltrated our military due to the aggressive recruiting policies of the last 10 years.
Education (Make It Work Independent)
The Department of Education should work with teachers, administrators, state officials, and parents to develop coherent plans for improving American education. Consistency in curriculum across all states would be a start including standardized text books in science, math, logical thinking and American History. State history, literature, arts, music can be left to the states to encourage the understanding of local culture and customs.
Abortion ( Pro Choice)
Abortion should be legal, safe, and rare. Decent sex education and strict enforcement of Statutory Rape Laws and child support laws, would go a long way to eliminate the situation where young girls are targeted by older men. Where Statutory Rape Laws are strictly enforced, teen pregnancy drops dramatically.
Poverty (Pragmatist)
Poverty is one of the most complicated issues facing America today. Poverty is more than lack of money, it is also about lack of life skills. Nearly half of Americans are not functionally literate. They have trouble balancing a check book, filling out applications and forms, analyzing and drawing conclusions from complex texts. Poverty also has a health and nutrition component. Babies and children who do not get adequate nutrition often have developmental and health issues. Here is a link to a video about "Mountain Dew Mouth" http://abcnews.go.com/Health/story?id=6863173&page=1
There is also something called a ‘culture of poverty'. It's a concept that has been around for 40 years and is now being looked into again. http://www.nytimes.com/2010/10/18/us/18poverty.html
I'm working on the rest of the list and welcome comments on what I've written so far.
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A lot of people who voted for Tea Party candidates did it because they were fed up with the staus quo. I think it will be interesting to see how long it will be before they are fed up with the Tea Party. I do believe it will be just a matter of time. The "middle "in this country keeps us on course even if there are a few corrections to that course from time to time. Maybe that's why wingnuts on both sides do not like the middle.
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Rosemary - Obama did cut 79 billion from the Pentagon. I think he could have done a lot better than that, however.
notself, I understand all about mini meds but I still find it telling that the number of waivers went from 30 on Oct./Nov. to 500 in late January.
HHS grants 500 new healthcare waivers
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Lie to and trick your children? That may work once or twice, but the cost of your child's trust is far too high. That is not cute, that is deceitful. Children learn by example and at the most inopportune moments.
When are these spots going to air that she thinks parents will see them and not children? Does she think that kids are not going to know what is going on after seeing the commercial themselves?
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I bet this isn't the first time a parent did a little fib to get their kids to do something. I.e. eat your (insert kid's hated food), you'll grow up big and strong. I remember I hated apple sauce and my father would say eat it, it'll put hair on your chest. For some reason I thought that was good and ate it.
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I bet you're glad now that turned out to be a lie, KK!
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Whatcha mean L? Hahahahaha!
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Oh Konakat you are SOOOOO WRONG, you liberal apologist you! ;-)
---Michele O has invented lying to children......until her and this Presidency No one, I mean No one, ever ever ever lied to their child about anything. . . .
Because we all know:
there is too a Santa Claus and he sees you when you're sleeping and knows when you are bad or good
not to mention a tooth fairy--who came to our house last night to deliver a dollar coin to youngest. . . .
and that Easter Bunny guy will be making rounds soon enough. . . .
this kind of thing is why it is often VERY hard for me to take some people seriously. . . .
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3monst, that was pretty snarky. It is hard for me to take snarky people seriously.
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I didn't find the video of the cute tips for parents offensive at all. I thought it was 'cute.' What's wrong with Michelle Obama promoting wellness and exercise for our children? I think it's cool.
Bren
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i am sorry if it came off as snarky....it wasn't meant to be serious, it was a gut reaction to the idea that parents have never lied to their children. . . .
didn't someone make a lot of money selling a cookbook on how to hide veggies in things?
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I Googled "stir the pot" in "images" and I came up with the following, in case anyone is interested in using these:
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Ok, L, you said you would give my little exercise a shot....I'd be interested to hear what you and others think - Notself - much more thoughfully put together than my quick notes - very impressive.
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OT .. I'm so excited. I got a new transcription client. All my references checked out and we're good to go. Yay me! All that marketing paid off!
I'm so happy right now!
Bren
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Congratulations Bren!!!!
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Congrats Bren!!!!
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No worries, 3monst. All is good.
Athena, Thanks for the pot stirring pix. I am taking a stab at the list. Interestingly, I am in agreement with notself on many points.
Federal and state budget and tax policy - Libertarian
Foreign affairs - Almost isolationist
Education - I believe in a standardized curriculum
Abortion - Pro choice
Poverty - Sorry we have so much of it but believe that much of it is welfare-state-induced.
Immigration - Enforce the existing laws
Healthcare - I do not know what the answer is but the current bill is not the answer.
Trade - Tax imports heavily. Incentivize US businesses to move manufacturing back to our shores.
Law enforcement - I am glad we have them.
Drugs policy - no tolerance
Non traditional marriage - Whatever floats your boat.
The role of religion in public life - sepration of church and state
Respect for science- and evidence-based practices in pertinent areas such as medicine and the environment - I respect evidence-based pratices but do not think they and religion are mutually exclusive.
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Wow .. Barbara, I agree with you on all but three items.
Budget - democratic party line
Drug Policy - legalize marijuana or at the least medicinal marijuana in all 50 states.
Healthcare - tweak the current law
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Very interesting.....(I love your drugs policy!!!)
Anyone else??
I bet by the end of this we will see just how hard it is to assign labels, as Medigal has often reminded us.
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Athena .. I like your list of items .. it seems we're finding out how much most of us have in common regardless of party affiliation.
Bren
PS .. Thanks for the congrats Kona and Athena .. I'm over the moon happy!
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I am trying to be open-minded -- really, I am.
Run your daughter all over the house looking for your purse, when all the while it's sitting there next to you on the countertop? And, smirk at your daughter when she finally gives up and you're forced to admit that the purse has been right there the whole time?
That's cute and creative? According to whom? How many times could a mother get away with that, before the daughter realized she was being deceived and it was all a silly game? And, then what? (Are the Obama girls really that, um, ... okay, really that naïve?)
Sorry. Somebody needs to do better than that, if kids (and adults) are going to be motivated to get up off their butts and be active.
Who else here is old enough to remember, first-hand, President Kennedy's "Council on Physical Fitness"?: http://www.jfklibrary.org/JFK/JFK-in-History/Physical-Fitness.aspx
I am pretty sure the school system in my home town was involved in the pilot study for that fitness program (http://christinasorbit.blogspot.com/2010/06/what-happened-to-president-kennedys.html). It was sort of like PE in the military -- each child got tested at the beginning of the school year, to determine his/her baseline fitness level. There was a standard series of exercises, including sit-ups, push-ups, pull-ups, "shuttle run", rope-climbing... ?; some were modified for girls because of their body structure (i.e., pull-ups became the "bent-arm hang,", push-ups were done with knees on the floor).
Each PE class during the school year included stuff that would improve strength, endurance, agility, etc. The test was re-administered at intervals throughout the year, the goal being to demonstrate an improvement in individual performance over the baseline result. Better yet was the ability to reach the performance standards that had been set for that age group by the Council on Physical Fitness:
"Although the council did not have the authority to impose a national program, it developed and promoted a curriculum to improve fitness. The council's fitness curriculum was devised with the cooperation of nineteen major U.S. educational and medical organizations."
[time out while I look for more stuff... ]
Now I am feeling discouraged. The scope of the Fitness Council was expanded by President Johnson, who re-named it the "Council on Physical Fitness and Sports." So far, so good.
Last summer, Ms. Obama took over the program. Its scope has been broadened (diluted?) further, to include "healthy eating" as well as physical fitness. The group's new name is the "Council on Fitness, Sports, and Nutrition." And, the membership of the Council now consists of several current and past NFL football players, a couple of NBA players, a NASCAR driver, the owner and chef of a NYC restaurant, some retired olympic athletes, a "fitness consultant" who happens to be Ms. Obama's personal trainer, a talk-show guest who's written some books on nutrition, a (retired?) pediatrician who works for the Health Department in North Dakota ... you get the picture. Here are details: http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/first-lady-launches-president-s-council-fitness-sports-and-nutrition
I am not so impressed. But, this might explain why mothers are being encouraged to mislead their daughters about where their purses are located, as a way to get them to exercise.
otter
[Edited to add: I know, I know ... the purse-hiding thing was supposed to be cute. I understand that, and I realize I'm taking it way too seriously. But, aren't we supposed to be taking all this seriously? I mean, isn't obesity a real problem in this country? Isn't the lack of physical fitness among our children going to affect them, and society, for many decades to come? I'm having a hard time thinking "cuteness" is a way to solve those problems. The strategy in that video was just silly.]
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Otter .. you brought back memories of the Council on Fitness and doing all those pushups and pullups! We also had to run around a track too. I had forgotten about that .. we had to do all of that in grade school. They also just taught the basic food groups to eat with the little pyramid.
I still think that commercial with the kid running up and down the stairs was cute. Of course the little girl wouldn't fall for it a second time. No kid would. Maybe the mom should have just said, if you run up and down the stairs three times, I'll give you a dollar.
Bren
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