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  • mom38yo
    mom38yo Member Posts: 24
    edited August 2013

    bashiakp - There is absolutely no rush in getting the fills. Allow your body to catch up with your mind's expection by giving it lots of rest and not rushing in to fills that are too much or too quickly. This whole BC experience is a journey not a race. One more month or a few in the long run is not worth the and possible set backs that may come from rushing through this to get it over. I know from experience and as a working single mom, I had big expectations of how this whole process was going to roll for me. I wanted to back in full swing by week 2 post BMX, tried, got an infection, and ended up for two days in the hospital w/IV antibiotics. Simply, our body speaks to us differently than our brain. Listen to your body. The pain is telling you something, slow down and give it a chance to heal. All this is said in love and I genuinely wish you the best in your recovery. I went back to work after a month, have slowed down tremendously and am growing in the process. Strange and wonderful outcomes from such a crummy circumstance. Blessings!

  • dbaylor4758
    dbaylor4758 Member Posts: 1
    edited January 2011

    I am so happy I found this discussion. Everyone around me is worried and wondering why I am in so much pain. My bilateral masectomy was 4 weeks ago and I have not had an injection for expansion yet. I am dreading it. My expanders were put in at the time of surgery, the corners of the expanders are poking up and are very painful. Standing up right seems to be the most comfortable position, laying down allows gravity to put pressure on the fluid already there and when you get up the fluid shifts downward. OUCH. I have found that wearing either a very snug top or bra will help hold the expanders and tissue in place a little but not much. Like most of you the only pain meds that work are serious pain killers which drs do not like prescribing. My first expansion is in 5 days and I am dreading it. Sometimes I hurt so bad I just cry. There is nothing to do put try and hang in there knowing at some point all of this will end,but it's just not a quick fix. I feel  lucky that my cancer was found very early, Stage 1 and after all the tests, I am cancer free plus I get a new boob job and a size larger. With evey down there is an up side if we are lucky. God Bless all that are or have gone through this and I wish everyone a long and happy life.

  • scubacat
    scubacat Member Posts: 113
    edited January 2011

    dbaylor....welcome to the club, but sorry you had to join. Like you I had BMX with immediate TEs and about 250 inserted. It was very (very) uncomfortable for a while and I too searched for a thread to read about "was this normal". Seems it is. Undecided As for the fills, well, I like you was dreading these, but after the first one it was plain sailing and really there is no extra discomfort and in fact it gets easier with time, even though the TEs are getting bigger. I am now at about 530cc and facing my DIEP surgery on 24th Jan. I'm ready to be done with these hard TEs and have something more natural in place. Good luck to you on this journey and as time passes, it really does get easier. Honest. Best wishes for a healthy 2011.

  • jcornes
    jcornes Member Posts: 4
    edited January 2011

    At last! a forum that understands where Im at. Im a week out of surgery, single mx high grade dcis, still waiting path results. the thing is, this bloody expander feels like im wearing - as one lady put it so beautifully - a turtle shell against my chest! noone told me it would ache so. or the occasional stabbing pains. or the difficulty in sitting up/lying down or - god forbid - turning in bed. im taking panadol six hourly but its actually more jabby pain now than in hospital. ive got tramadol, which seem to  help but send me to sleep.

    anyone else at this stage or remembers how it was? i, too, feel raw under the implant, and discomfort where it pokes into my skin above and below. if this is how its going to feel forever once i have a silicon implant in, i think id rather not have anything in.

  • jcornes
    jcornes Member Posts: 4
    edited January 2011

    dbtaylor you describe how i feel exactly :)

    i am just praying the discomfort eases the longer i have the expander in.

    how are you doin?

  • scubacat
    scubacat Member Posts: 113
    edited January 2011

    jcornes, for the first week after bmx with the te's in I was on valium. I stayed on one each night and then went to 1/2 per night because they eased the 'stabbing" pains. I stopped and then went back on it again for a short time, but was off completely after 2 weeks at home. As far as I'm aware the "hard turtle shell" never goes away. I'm still very hard but manipulation helps and moves the fluid around so if you're seeing a PT you might want to ask them about that. As I started to do more and more exercise those things got easier and I felt more relaxed and supple. I still have the same discomforts, getting up quickly from lying down, moving around in bed etc. I am having diep (not implants so far) reconstruction in 2 weeks, so I'm hoping that my own tissue and the more natural approach will get rid of the "hard turtle shell" as soon as these te's come out. Good luck.

  • maxim
    maxim Member Posts: 4
    edited February 2011

    Hi Ladies,

    i'm inspired by all the posts, and everyone sounds so brave. I had a left masectomy in Dec and the TE was hurting to badly I was not able to go for the fills. Then I had to have a left axcillary dissection, so on Feb 1st I had that done and they filled the TE 80cc's because I've been so afraid to have any more fills. I'm scheduled to start chemo in 3 weeks, which will last for 4 months,  but after finding out that they can't remove the TE until 4 weeks after chemo is done, I know I can't live with this another 5 months. has anyone had their TE removed? I'm crying all the time and so uncomfortable. I should have researched the TE process before starting. Any advice welcome 

  • Liverpoollou
    Liverpoollou Member Posts: 8
    edited February 2011

    Well its been awhile since I was on this post, I had my tissue expander replaced last June along with a reduction on my left breast. And I'm sorry to say I am not a happy bunny. Because of radiation to my right breast the the implant was capsulated which in effect meant my breast was like stone. My surgeon had to put a smaller implant in than my left breast  which has left me lop sided awaiting fat injections sometime in the future. My left breast now has no feeling in it whatsoever and I am feeling depressed. I know it wont last as I am a fighter and strive to be positive but it is so hard at times. I thought if I did this, this and this everything would turn out fine,god its hard, I hope I am not depressing anyone I just felt like a winge, I am still confident that eventually nI will look and feel "normal" but boy does it take along time. Best wishes to everyone out there because we are all amazing women.

  • Lynkoura
    Lynkoura Member Posts: 50
    edited February 2011

    Maxim

    I had pain the whole time I had the expander in (10 months). I think it was rubbing on nerves. I didn't have any fills as the PS in his wisdom decided to fill it to match the other side at the time of the initial surgery - I think he forgot the port was there for a purpose! I did have some fluid removed after months and that really helped. My best suggestion is to get yourself on decent pain meds and keep going back to your doctor until you are happy. It is a difficult process and if you are having pain you deserve the best pain meds available. I also had a lot of problems with ongoing pec muscle contractions and pain from that.  There are muscle relaxants available too but make sure you research your options as some may be stronger than you want. Sleep and exercise are also important for coping. The good news is that my final implant feels much better. Not soft, and I'm still conscious of it, but much better. All the rubbing pain is gone.

    All the best. Unless you speak up and demand better pain management you are unlikely to get it.

  • sbragg
    sbragg Member Posts: 26
    edited February 2011

    Hi Maxim...I too have been very uncomfortable since my TE were placed in late Sept when I had bilateral mastecomies with reconstruction...I have one more fill to go and then will need to wait for at least 2 months before the exchange surgery for the implants...I cannot believe myself, the discomfort I have experienced so I can relate to the pain you are feeling... my PS is failry aggressive with getting the fills done asap and wanted the fills done at 100cc's every two weeks; her belief that this will assit in prevent in gtoo much scarring which could compromise the exchange xs (lots of discrepancy and variants to that, though!) - that was impossible for me - but since she went off on mat leave until the exchange sx, I have a chemo doctor who actually does my fills and she agreed to fill according to my tolerance so I've had  50 -60 cc's once every 3 -4 weeks and that has barely been tolerable.  I haven't had a day where I am comfortable.The chemo nurses have told me they have had to fill as little as 10cc's every week for one woman and will do whatever they can to accomodate.  So my best advise would be not to let anyone force you to do something you don't have to do....and take the meds - insist on meds as sometimes that's the only way to get thorugh this - some doctors may be reluctant to give out an RX for narcotics, but I recommend them, if all else fails...as well, I have benefited from lots of stretching and seeing a phsyio therapist and massgae therapist - they can be an amazing help - and be kind and gentle with yourself - you don't have to prove anything to anyone and you deserve to go at the best pace for you...all the best to you, Sherry

  • Kayne
    Kayne Member Posts: 103
    edited February 2011

    Hi All,

    I had a BMX a year ago. (2-12-10)  The tissue expanders were very uncomfortable.  I call them Tupperware lids, that's what they look liked to me.  I will tell you that it did get better for me once they were filled. As it got bigger, it took the burning pain off of my ribs. 

    Unfortunately, I lost my left TE in June due to an infection.  I just had it put back in and was dreading it.  But it hasn't been as bad as the first time.  the pain on my rib is back, and where she stitched my inside is bothersome as well. 

    What I have found that has been a life saver for me, is a pillow sold at Bed, Bath and Beyond.  I believe they are called "squishy pillows".  They come in different colors and shapes and are filled with little tiny foam beads.  My children had them and I still sleep with one.  I am a side sleeper and it enabled me to somewhat sleep on my side again.  I put it under my filled foob on the side I am sleeping on.  Mine is shaped like a tootsie roll.  It is so soft and conforming.  i think they are only $10, I strongly suggest trying it.  It has been a God send for me. 

    So far i have had one fill in my new TE.  Was sore for a couple of days, pain in back and shoulder.  My PS strongly encourages pain meds.  She feels there is no need to suffer.

    Hope you all feel better,

    Michelle

  • abbiefisher
    abbiefisher Member Posts: 2
    edited March 2011

    hell ladies! I am 4 weeks out from my bm and am getting my first fill this monday, i am a little scared of how painful it will be. i started off as a small c and my ps said i could go as big as i wanted so i am thinking of a D cup. I do have a question for those of you who have already had you finale implants put in, do they look good? i mean are the up there perky with no sagging. thats what i want, i have seen some pics on google that show women who have had the implants put in and their breast are really saggy and i am only 30 so i do want them to be up there. do look like breast augmentation you know just with out nipples?

  • christine47
    christine47 Member Posts: 1,454
    edited March 2011

    abbie,

    I have had 4 fills for far, they are not painful, just pressure and some pain in back after.  Ask your PS what you can take when you get home.  I do not have my final implants, but no sag with the TEs, and I have not worn a bra since my bmx, they are so high and tight.  Good luck.

  • cleosmom
    cleosmom Member Posts: 2
    edited July 2011

    I think I'm feeling the same sensation.  I was feeling fine (relatively) until the drains came out.  From that day on I feel them moving around inside the expander.  It grosses me out and does cause a lot of pain.  I can deal with the burning sensation and tightness that is constant, but the movement is awful.  I am three weeks from surgery and no fill yet?  Anyone else experiencing this?

  • GODISGOOD2012
    GODISGOOD2012 Member Posts: 63
    edited May 2012

    Did anyone try using a "heating pad" to get relief from TE pain?  The fill I got yesterday did me in.  OMG undoubtedly the worst pain I have experienced so far and I had a BMX and was cut from underarm to underarm.  Thankfully one side is finished and now just has to sit, but the otherside needs one more fill.  I want to cry just thinking about having another fill even if it is just one side.  

  • MsGayle
    MsGayle Member Posts: 1
    edited June 2012

    I find with any pain, heat causes swelling but ice for 20 mins every hour will help take any swelling down.  I had 100 cc every week until I reached 700 cc and had very little pain.  I am now in heeling process before implants but have been traveling and just the pressure of seat belt and bouncing around in the car is causing excruciating pain.  I still have a few pain pills and save them for traveling.  Has anyone else experienced this?  Otherwise, I am pain free!!!!

  • Cicie
    Cicie Member Posts: 2
    edited April 2013

    Hi Ladies,



    I had my mx and reconstruction surgery several months ago, but wanted to write because this forum was SOOO helpful to me when I was in the middle of everything and had so many questions.



    I had a R mx last July and had a tissue expander placed with 180 cc of saline. After 3 or four weeks I had my first fill of 60 cc and then went once a week for several weeks for a 60 cc fill. It always felt tight and uncomfortable for the first day, but the never painful until my last fill. My doctor never filled me over 60cc at a time, I'm glad about that because I'm pretty certain that more than that would have hurt.



    After about my third fill, my back started going out when I'd lie down for bed, which made sleeping difficult. I think my back would feel better thru the course of the day, but then would go out again as soon as I lay down. Quite accidentally I discovered taking calcium helped me more than anything. I had been taking calcium with magnesium, but I forgot or ran out of the magnesium for a couple of days and realized on the second night my back hadn't gone out! I continued with the calcium and less magnesium and continued to do much better. I had to ale some magnesium because I noticed some leg cramping without it, but I either took less of it or took it in the morning.



    The other problem I had was nerve pain. It was really uncomfortable. I found that a snug jog bra helped, as any kind of fabric rubbing on my skin felt awful. I also read that I should stimulate the area with different textures to "educate" the regenerating nerves that not every sensation equaled pain. So I did massage, and rubbed the area with different kinds of fabric. It was really uncomfortable to do so at first, but I just grit my teeth and did it, and I think it may have helped. The other thing that really helped was acupuncture. I saw a practitioner who did Japanese style acupuncture and used polarity magnets on me and they really helped! I had also read that St. Johns wort helped with nerve pain, so I bought both an herbal tincture as well as a homeopathic form of it. Both the tincture as well as the homeopathic definitely helped with the nerve pain, but the St. john's wort also made me feel weepy and anxious. Those feelings went away when the effects of the St. Johns wort wore off. I later read that anxious feelings can be a side effectof St Johns wort, and that it also can have a lot of interactions with different drugs, so if you decide to try it be sure to do your research on it first.



    I had my implant exchange in Nov 2012, and have silicone implants now, and am comfortable once again, hurray! (since i had a single mastectomy, i had a breast lift with augmentation in order match the right side as closely as possible.) I am able to sleep on my stomach again, which I definitely couldn't do with the expander. The nerve pain went away gradually after about four to eight weeks after it started. The sensations are still odd when I touch the area, but they are no longer painful. There are other areas of the "breast" that feel no sensation at all, and still other areas where I think I feel some sensation where I didn't before.



    Anyway, if this is helpful to anyone, I am glad. This site was so helpful to me. As much as you can, seek out lots of support. Many people are happy to help with things like food, shopping, dishes and laundry. And find things that keep your spirits uplifted - books, music, friends, this forum, whatever works for you. By the way, Belleruth Naparstek has some very good guided meditation CDs. I listened to her "Successful Surgery" CD before my surgeries and it helped meget into a positiveframe of mind. Lots of love and courage to you ladies!

  • Cicie
    Cicie Member Posts: 2
    edited April 2013

    Just saw the note about pain with a seatbelt and tissue expander.....After my surgery I was given a little pillow to put between my chest and the seatbelt. Made a world of difference. Even a plastic bag stuffed with cotton balls would do the trick.

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