2005 ROCK-TOBER CHEMO GIRLS
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We have a friend who just died of Non-Hodgkins Lymphoma. He was 42. He left a wife and 2 girls, 6 and 3. Before he died he was hoping that his bone marrow transplant would give him a few more years. He just wanted to see his girls grow.
I'm so sorry for your friend--especially since he was so young and with young children. My dad was 78 and had lived for 5 years after diagnosis. He was diagnosed early during a routine prostate test. I had heard that there was a new treatment coming out when my dad died, but I guess your friend illustrates that new treatments, sadly, don't work for everyone.Quote:
I am thankful for every day I am able to help my 10 year old with his homework. When he talks to me nowadays I really listen. I even put my glasses on so I can see his long lashes and the other details on his face. As I drive him to school I make sure the radio is off. Last night he said, "I'm so lucky to have a Mom like you."
My 7 year old is what keep me going and wanting to fight to live. I am an older parent (50) and just want to be there for my daughter as she grows up.
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www.thesurvivormovie.com
Hi Debbie,
Thanks for posting this link--I had seen it before, but lost the link. This time I bookmarked it--it's a keeper!
Jane -
interesting article on integrating cancer into thinking of who you are: http://www.mamm.com/highlight2.php
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Debbie the survivor movie was very touching. It made me cry and also brought up a lot of what we are feeling -fear, loss,hopelessness. It also reminded us of the good things. I have bookmarked it to watch when I need it.
Laura I am sure we can get a grip on these negative thoughts soon. I don't usually stay down for long...
Serendipity ,watching someone you love die of cancer is so hard. My 26 yo brother also died of non-hodgkins lymphoma.He never had a remission, just round after round of chemo. He wasted to nothing and ended up on a respirator for his final 2 weeks. This was 16 years ago but still fresh in my head. My Mom now gets to go through it all again. I feel really bad for her . I have to get rid of this cancer for her, she doesn't deserve to lose another kid.
Brenda my kids are the absolute best reason to keep well and not let this get to me. They are 12,13 and 16.My Dad died suddenly at 49 when I was 13-he was the soft parent I still miss him. I simply have to stick around to help these guys get there lives going.
And lastly my husband and I ahve way too many plans for the future. We have worked hard to get to this point and our dreams have always kept us going.
I think I have just talked myself with the help of you folks into a better frame of mind and out of my hole of self-pity, at least temporarily...Thanks. -
I agree Debbie the survivor movie was very moving and also made me cry. I have also saved it in my favorites.
Amy, your article on Cancer and stress was very good too.....
Mary, I am also sorry to hear about your brother and your father.....No family should have to go through so much.....Don't you worry, you are going to be just fine, you are going to get through this......Graycie -
oh....it wasn't the cancer and stress article...it was the one "On My Mind"....same website, but look at that article. It was great.
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Well ladies, someone somewhere is looking after me. Today i managed to write my BMW off - skidded on some mud on a country road, side swiped both embankments before roling onto the roof and sliding 40 yards. A couple in the following car had to help me out as was stuck upside down and called for paramedics etc. Rather spectacular - 2 police cars, one ambulance, one paramedic car and 3 fire engines!
The outcome? A hole in my coat, a graze on my bald head and 6 pints of milk and 4 yoghurts lost ( just been shopping!)
Car is wrecked, every panel gone, no glass left and roof squashed, wheels buckled etc.
Am i indestructable? Lets d~~~ well hope so!
Debbie -
wow Debbie!
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holy cow, debbie! i'm so glad you're okay!!!!
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Debbie, that is terrible....so glad you are OK....Your right, someone is looking out for you...Graycie
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October Chemo Girls...I'm so thankful for this forum! Thanks again for listening.
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Wow, Debbie, I guess you ARE indestructible! Thank goodness you are okay after all that. Get yourself thoroughly checked. Take care.
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Had my period start yesterday, thanks for dragging me through PMS this week. Feel much better and more positive today.
How's the tax/taxotere going, doesn't sound too bad so far.
Debbie you must be really stiff and sore from your MVA. Hope you get a spanking new red BMW out of it.
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has anyone had lower back spasms during all this? it happens for me around day 6 or 7 of chemo, lasts like 3 days, and then goes away until the next chemo. i'm freaking out because today it is just way more annoying...these pulsating lower back spasms. so, of course, i freak out and think it's bone mets. my head hurts so i think i have brain mets too. i can't stand always thinking something is wrong with my body and immediately thinking the worst. I can't stand being scared every day....so tiring.
i was in my individual therapy this morning and we talked about this...how it's so draining to constantly think of your body. we tried to identify the one area of my body where i see it as safe....i couldn't think of any safe place in my body but my feet! how sad is that? i constantly worry about the cancer coming back in another area of my body. this is so draining.
so, has anyone else had random muscle spasms in their back?
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Amy,
I have the same lower back...pulsating, pounding, pressure pains. I asked my Onc. about it and he said it was his opinion that it's more "muscular" and not related to the chemo. Don't quite know what to think about his response. I think it may be attributed to my very low RBC's - so low, just today I had my 2nd. shot of Aranesp to boost them. How have your RBC's been? High, low or norm.? Maybe this can explain it. And, of course, I worry about mets too. How can any of us not?
ALSO, all along I have wanted to tell you that I feel so bad that you are dealing with this at such a young age. I look back to when I was 29 (I'm 45) and remember graduating from Art School and "kicking ass" in a creative capacity in the Advertising Agency world. My biggest fear was not coming up with an award-winning ad campaign for a major fortune 500 company. I felt immortal and unbelievably care-free and never thought about or worried about a life-altering health/medical issue. I don't know that I would have had your strength and maturity at that time in my life. You have done a great job at not only educating yourself about this disease, but taking the time to help others here on this forum. Again, you're too young to have to deal with this. You are much younger than most of us, but you have to deal with the same fears, frustrations and doubts as most of us, older than you. Try to think of your youth as a physically positive aspect of this incredibly trying time.
If I had to identify a "safe place" in my body, I would have say it's my heart. This is where I feel the love, compassion and concern of everyone around me. And no matter how "crappy" I feel physically, my heart never hurts, it just reminds me of those I love and those that love me. Again, I feel bad that you have to deal with this at your age. Remain tough and hang in there.
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laura,
your words made me cry...it means a lot to me that you see me as positively as you do. it really sucks to be 29, newly married, brand new job, and wham....i've got cancer. it is a part of my identiy that will be the hardest to integrate into how i see myself. i look at my wedding picture a lot and cry...seems like a totally different person. i miss that old person. i think that no matter how old you are, we all lose our innocence with this diagnosis. i'm a psychologist...maybe that's why i seem emotionally strong don't always feel that way inside, but still....i think breast cancer makes you find strength you didn't know you had...simply because you have to have that strength.
with the back pains...my counts have been good. maybe the spasms are my little cells becoming strong. i'm relieved that you have the same feeling though. i hate when no one knows what i'm feeling physically...it brings me back to when i got the ultrasound of the lump and the radiologist said, "i don't know what this is, honestly." and wham...breast cancer.
it's funny you mention your heart being your safe place...that's the area where i feel the sadness of this all...i explained to my husband that when i think of that week of diagnosis, i remember that it felt that my heart was breaking. i think it was realizing that my life would never be the same again. my heart is where i keep the amazing support of everyone around me....especially you, ladies!...it's also where i keep the sad feelings too.
thank you again for your great support. i don't know what i would do without this forum!!! i love the october ladies
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Laura I shared this on the Taxol thread with AKE and it may help you too:
"AKE, yes. I had and continue to have those spasms on the 7th, 8th and 9th day after all my treatments. AC AND TAXOL!
If you are on dose dense it could be due to the growth factor Neupogen or Neulasta. That is what they think mine were caused by. Occasionally i would feel it in my esophagus or my neck too.
I had this so bad one session I thought i was having a seizure and i could not walk. I had to go to the ER. No one knew what it was. Not even the "onc on call" that night.
The only thing that worked for me to stop them in the ER, was IV valium and vicoden. They took blood tests and everything was normal.
When I went home from the ER, they gave me a large amount of Vicoden and Valium. When they are bad I take 10 MG valium and a 500 mg vicoden and lay on a warm electric pad. They go away then.
When they seem mild, I take 5 mg of valium without the vicoden and it gets rid of them. Luckily they seem to only last 1, 2, or 3 days out of each session at most.
The onc I saw today before treatment says that when I recieve my last Taxol, on Dec 28th, they will not be giving me any growth factor shots, Neupogen, to help my WBC so I do not get that side effect. Since there is no need to artificially "jack my WBC count up" for another TAXOL since this one is the last one. My body will then hopefully bounce back on its own that last session.
Also Kaiser health plan will save money by not giving me the growth factor since for the 7 shots, it is over 1200 dollars for each "two week" chemo sessions. 8400 dollars for that drug alone so far with my 7 chemo dose dense sessions! Lucky I have insurance I only need to pay a $200.00 co pay every couple months for that. most everything else is covered.
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thanks...i think it's the neupogen too because it happens always at the end of my shot cycle. whew!
i underestand what you mean about insurance...i loathe them. why don't they understand wbc counts and the need for these shots???
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MY opinion is that you and I are luckily so very healthty that they end up giving us "too much" Neupogen. It builds up in our system causing the problem. The reason i say this is they gave me the "usual HIGH amount" of Neupogen at the very first AC. That is when i landed in hosp with the worst spasms. My WBC was way too high.
The second AC session, they lowered the dose since my WBC was too high! I had less spasms that time and they were not as painful. Valium got rid of them.
The Taxol sessions started and i asked the onc to lower the Neupogen by 1/3rd and she did since with Taxol you dont need as much WBC support.
So far i still get the spasms but not as often, not as many days, and one small valium usually does the trick and relaxes my muscles enough to eliminate them.
Get your onc to get you some Valium and Vicoden STAT!
Your muscles need to be relaxed. I am sure these spasms are not good for us. And we do not need to put up with them either! Good luck my friends! -
Hi ladies,
its good to know everyone is doing reasonalbly well. Had my mid-cycle appointment with onc today, WBC is waay down, but not too bad, so ok for next chemo. No neulasta for me again. I have a feeling they dont give it away too easily here in oz...
Debbie, you know, i keep thinking to myself, the worst thing has already happened to us, so yes, we kinda are invincible. No plane crashes, no car accidents, nothing. We've used all the bad luck already!! Only good stuff should happen from now on. Silly, but i want to believe it.
Finally picked up my wig today... Have to say, pretty happy with it, well, it definitely looks better than my real hair ever did, and its the exact hair style that i wanted to have all my life but never had the right hair for...
Now i can have something different on my head every day of the week. Hats, scarves, wig, you name it. I am starting to forget what my real hair looked like!!
Take care all,
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Serendipity ,watching someone you love die of cancer is so hard. My 26 yo brother also died of non-hodgkins lymphoma.He never had a remission, just round after round of chemo. He wasted to nothing and ended up on a respirator for his final 2 weeks. This was 16 years ago but still fresh in my head.
Hi Mary-Anne,
I'm so sorry about your brother. It is difficult to watch someone you love die of cancer--but it must be especially so in someone so young. Thank you for sharing your experience with me, and for your sympathy.
Take care, Jane -
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Well ladies, someone somewhere is looking after me. Today i managed to write my BMW off - skidded on some mud on a country road, side swiped both embankments before roling onto the roof and sliding 40 yards.
Wow, Debbie! Thank God you are okay!
Jane -
paula...i like your new picture...you really really look great
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Amy, are you feeling any better? I guess it is my turn to feel down....I am feeling a little depressed today but I am trying to snap out of it.. Day 4 for me and I feel a little achy and tired.....It is cold here so I can't seem to get warm enough. I slept with the electric blanket last night which felt good...I have no appetite today so it looks like I am going to have to force myself to eat again. Boy, I can't wait until we can put these chemo treatments behind us......By the way, how do you girls post your pictures? I am not too bright when it comes to the computer.....HA..Graycie
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Paula
I love your pic too. I can't seem to make my pic small enough for the web site to accept .Any tech people know how to do this?
We had our second winter storm. The snow is so beautiful and fresh. I had four mourning doves at the bird feeder this am. What a sight.
Kids have day offb/c storm. Music is blaring and already made fudge and candy this am. Life is good.
Amy, agree with Laura, this must double suck for you folks under 40. I mean I feel too young but you guys really are. This whole mess will surely change our lives forever but Some of it may be good change we will have to wait and see.
Amy your pic is lovely too. You should feel blessed that your hubby is with you through this. I am glad your feet feel safe, it is a start, try moving uop to your ankes next. Maybe sooon it will reach your knees.
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talked to the nurse this morning about my pulsating back spasms...it is from the nuepogen shots! so relieved. she said that the lower back is a big area where your bone marrow reginerates white cells....hence, the pulsating. now i can breathe and not freak out anymore. whew!
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Glad to hear that Amy. My back is bothering me too now. I got my Neulasta shot yesterday. Did she say how long it will last.......I feel like I have the flu..Kind of nauseous too..This is not good....
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my back pain is competely totally gone today. so weird since it was so painful yesterday. i feel completely normal. my doctor is probably going to lower my nuepogen shots...she just called me and said my white cells were incredibly high....higher than they need to be....she said they just don't drop as much during taxol like they do during ac, so i may not even need nuepogen.
what a weird experience this all is. who knows what the hell taxol #2 will bring. are we done yet? -
Well, I had my second Taxol this morning. It was basically three hours of boredom. Now we get to wait and see what side effects I'll get *this* time. <g> Last time, my joints started hurting late Saturday night and it lasted into Monday. I'm going to try ibuprofin this time but won't be afraid to take the Percoset if needed.
We'll see how my fingertips do this time. I had numbness and tingling for more than a week after my first Taxol. But it decreased steadily over time and was only a nuisance for a day or two. I felt really good after the joint pain subsided, so I have high hopes for this round. <grin>
Hang in there, everyone. I'll post when/if the side effects appear. (I feel like a guy on the bomb squad, saying everything out loud so his co-workers will benefit from the knowledge even if he personally gets blown up!) hahahahaha! -
I don't get Neupogen, but my chemo has always been every 3 weeks so wbc had tome to recover. Neupogen sounds awful..
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ladies,
here is the website to resize you pics to fit:
www dot onlineimageresize dot com
or this one:
www dot resize2mail dot com
Amy, Mary-Anne, thanks! Even at home by myself i cant bear the sight of my bald head, so i am getting to be quite an expert at covering it. I have acquired a collection of head gear by now... what i am going to do with it later?? -
Good to see everyone back again!
Well after the car acident on Tues and my 4th FEc yesterday, think i will write this week off! Chemo yesterday was awful, 2 goes digging about for blood and 4 goes to get the canula in, then it had to be repositioned twicw. Thankgoodness the first 3 werent like that or i would be a wreck!
My husband says the car accident has one good side effect, when he goes to work he knows i am safe at home and not out somewhere as i am still car less. Before hand he had threatened to bubble wrap me to a chair so he didnt worry so much!
One friend said not to contact her till after the new year as each bit of news was worse than the last- i sort of see what she means. I do feel a stronger person after all this - more able to bounce back after what is thrown at me, only i wish they would start throwing ar someone else as i am sick and tired of bouncing now!
I am glad that peoples pains and worries seem to be getting sorted, worrying about you ladies helps me not to worrry about myself so much. I feel i have found some really good friends out of all of this, even if we will probably never see each other and met in such an unfortunate way.
Take care everyone
Debbie xx
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