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  • IronJawedBCAngel
    IronJawedBCAngel Member Posts: 470
    edited February 2011

    I have not traveled as much as I would like, but I have been to Canada, France, Great Britain, and Jamaica.  My bucket list includes Ireland and Scotland and hope to achieve Ireland in the next year as that is where my Komen sister Tricia lives.  We have great plans to close the pub down one evening.

    My daughter lives in S. Korea and has no desire to move back to the US at this time.  She very much enjoys the culture and the inexpensive health care.

    My son will be travelling to S. America in April as part of a medical/dental missionary group.

    In all probability, at least one of my three children will eventually return to Canada to live, so I will have reason to visit once more.  I have never been to PEI or New Brunswick, and have only seen the inside of the airport in Halifax, NS, so hope to one day visit there.

    I equate many of the "Birthers" theories to those that believed the earth was flat.  There is absolutely no point in engaging in argument, because when presented with facts, they choose to believe otherwise.  No amount of facts, figures or evidence will sway them.  It's a waste of energy and air to try to argue with them.

    Have to go try to settle my Dad down.  He's been in full party mode since yesterday morning.

  • 1Athena1
    1Athena1 Member Posts: 6,696
    edited February 2011

    If I could mention the travelling I want to do. Been to all the "Western" world capitals, museums, beaches, countryside niches and villas....but how about safari in Kenya, Tanzania and South Africa to see the lions, my favorite animal? I would die to do that. If I had been more of a sociopath and less of a total idiot (lol!) I might not be doing a save-the-world non-profit job that pays nothing, and I would be travelling the world. Sigh!

    Or row along the Yang-tse in China, fight my way through the streets of Tokyo and take the bullet train and pay $1,000 for a threatre ticket just to see what it feels like. So many things I want to do. 

  • konakat
    konakat Member Posts: 6,085
    edited February 2011

    I like the idea of the $1000 theatre ticket to see how it feels like.  Just to do something outrageously decadent.  Or funny, like order mac and cheese with Dom Perignon or Cristal.

    Reminds me of a movie Queen Latifa did when she thought she was dying and took out all her savings and had a grand adventure in Europe.

  • revkat
    revkat Member Posts: 763
    edited February 2011

    Athena -- I love "If I had been more of a sociopath and less of a total idiot I might not be doing a save-the-world non-profit job that pays nothing." It describes my career perfectly. I've encouraged my kids to make lots of money and THEN save the world! It does need saving and I'm glad to do my part, but I wish I had made financially remunerative choices early in life rather than trying to do my bit then!

    Of course, my idea of being rich is being able to buy whatever you want at the grocery store and not having to care about cost at all! Being really rich would mean being able to fly business class without a frequent flyer upgrade. I'm not sure I could do the $1000 theatre ticket even if I had the money. I guess it would depend on what the show was! 

  • lewing
    lewing Member Posts: 1,288
    edited February 2011

    I don't think I could ever pay $1,000 for a theater ticket, either - or even pop for business class (though I will cheerfully use miles to upgrade).  I'm just too much of a tightwad/saver.  That said, one of the things I save for is travel, and I have a long list of places I want to go.  Sicily is near the top, as is Corsica, Vietnam, southern India (Kerala) and Peru.  And then there are all the places I've been, but want to revisit.  Sigh.

    Revkat, I'm not sure I buy the idea that geographic distance is what keeps Americans from traveling internationally.  I really think it's more cultural.  I mean, it's hard to get more geographically isolated than Australia, and my impression is that Australians are huge travelers.  When I visited there (to see my boyfriend at the time, who'd taken a teaching job in Sydney), I was struck by how well-traveled Australians across social classes seemed. 

    L

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited February 2011

    I've always wanted to visit Aussieland and New Zealand, but I hate flying (not nervous, I just get so bored being cooped up on long flights) and those 2 beautiful countries are just too darn many hours away!  Would love to visit Indonesia and all those wonderful islands in the South Pacific (my favourite musical, BTW!).  Closest I've gotten is Hawaii!

    I have a younger friend who gets the exotic travel bug about every 3 years or so and takes a 3-month leave of absence (or quits her job if the leave isn't approved!).  She's been to Peru, to Nepal, to Kenya, Tanzania and I can't remember where else.  She used to travel to do volunteer work; now she goes to explore and experience.  Conversations with her are never dull!

  • revkat
    revkat Member Posts: 763
    edited February 2011

    It is probably cultural, but I wonder if partly that culture developed because of distance and the associated costs (I'm resisting American exceptionalism as the reason because that would reflect so poorly on us!). HEY, maybe we don't travel because so much of our budget has to go to health care??? You think? But, I think it is changing. It will be interesting to see the figures in the next generation (you know, once we have single payer health care).

  • covertanjou
    covertanjou Member Posts: 569
    edited February 2011

    I have been lucky enough to travel about twice a year.  My husband has a convention every November either in the Caribbean or the US.  Because of the conventions, we have traveled to different areas of  California (I LOVE California), Arizona, different areas of Florida, Bahamas, and Bermuda.  On our own, we have traveled to France, Italy, Dominican Republic, Jamaica, Mexico and Cuba, New York, New Hampshire and Florida many times.  I want our next Europe trip to be  Ireland, Scotland and England.  After that, who knows.

    My kids have traveled even more than my DH and I have.  They have gone on school trips to Spain, Germany, Italy, Austria and France.  My youngest DD is planning on going to Europe next summer.  

    We recently got back from Florida, and we loved it. We hadn't been in several years cause we usually went to the Caribbean, but this time we decided to go to Florida.  It was amazing how many Canadians we met!  My DH played golf everyday with friends from home, and we usually met up with friends for dinner.  It was great.  

    I love to travel!   

  • AnneW
    AnneW Member Posts: 4,050
    edited February 2011

    Travel!!!! My dh and I met in Turkey when we were in the Air Force. I love that country. We've since hiked the Alps (France to Switzerland) and traveled the South Island of New Zealand. Lived in this amazing. wild country called California (LOL!) and our next trip will be this summer to Peru to hike to Machu Picchu along the Inca trail. That's one of my bucket-list places besides Nepal.

    And still there are so many places in the US I need to see!

  • IHOP
    IHOP Member Posts: 79
    edited February 2011

    More Americans don't travel because they simply don't have the money.  I would LOVE to travel to Europe, especially Italy,  Its on my list since I was 16.  Unfortunately, I will probably never get to do it because it simply isn't financially feasible.

  • konakat
    konakat Member Posts: 6,085
    edited February 2011

    How could I forget Cuba -- just added it to my post above.

  • covertanjou
    covertanjou Member Posts: 569
    edited February 2011

    Darlene, I am sorry to hear that, but hopefully you will be able to travel in the future.  What cities in Italy would you love to visit?

  • annettek
    annettek Member Posts: 1,640
    edited February 2011

    Darlene- you can do anything in the world you want to...write down exactly where you want to go and post it somewhere you see it everyday and then no matter how small the amount of money you can put aside...do it...you have survived bc...you will make it to Europe my friend.

  • IronJawedBCAngel
    IronJawedBCAngel Member Posts: 470
    edited February 2011

    Most of the survivors I know from other countries have more opportunity than I do to travel and enjoy things in life because they are not struggling to pay for insurance and out of pocket medical expense.  I get really frustrated with it.  My friend in Ireland is unemployed, her husband is under-employed but they still can occasionally travel to Spain and other countries.  They go to dinner, concerts and plays, all of the things we used to do before I was diagnosed.

    Someday.

  • AnnNYC
    AnnNYC Member Posts: 4,484
    edited February 2011

    One reason mentioned in the original article about why Americans (U.S. citizens, that is) don't travel as much -- but not mentioned since -- is that most Americans don't get much vacation time, especially compared to Europeans.  And even those of us lucky enough to have a job that gives 4 weeks vacation per year can have a really hard time actually TAKING those vacation days, and can almost never take them in one stretch.

    I haven't been to Alaska or Hawaii, but I think Louisiana is the only other state I haven't been to.  In Canada, I've been to Quebec, Ontario, Manitoba, Alberta, Saskatchewan and British Columbia.  Europe: England, Scotland, France, Germany, Spain, Italy, Austria, Switzerland, Liechtenstein, Czechoslovakia (back when it was Czechoslovakia, to both the Czech and Slovak parts), Slovenia, Finland, Sweden, Denmark, Netherlands, Belgium, Luxembourg.  Can't really count Iceland -- was only in the airport to change planes!  Would love to really go there!

    This past summer I spent a week in Rome, just for fun!  The only European vacation I ever had -- it was wonderful.  All that other traveling was as a musician in various bands -- really a great way to visit all those countries, as these were rock and jazz bands touring small festivals and gigs booked by local promoters -- sometimes staying in promoters' houses, with local musicians, things like that. Some amazing experiences.

    But no Latin America, no Caribbean, no Asia or Africa or Australia/New Zealand -- not yet, anyway...

  • IHOP
    IHOP Member Posts: 79
    edited February 2011

    Well, don't forget that children come along that need braces, money for sports equipment if you want them involved in sports, money for their future college fund, and most Americans are in the 'lower' middle class just barely keeping their head above water with both parents working.  It's just a whole lot cheaper to spend a week at the lake in a tent than the cost of air fare, hotels, etc.   It just makes me feel bad to see that people think Americans don't travel because we are culturally backwards about anything outside the USA.  You deal with the lot you are given in life. 

  • iodine
    iodine Member Posts: 4,289
    edited February 2011

    Vacation time is a huge reason for not traveling.  So many of us have to use vacation days for children's illness, dr's appts, and other family reasons that we really don't get a vacation.  Let alone the fact that at many jobs, you can only take 5 days at a time -- at most.

    I live in a small rural town and was shocked that many folks I knew had never been "off the mountain" to even the closest small town 38 miles away.  So I guess that is cultural.  Lots of very close knit families who would spaz out if daughter or mom were more than 5 miles away.

    All the other reasons listed are valid as well.  But I believe the main ones are above.

    Europe is such a small area in comparison to the US, Canada, etc.  I need to begin real travel here.  I've done the other, almost all except Africa and not interested.  We've traveled here, too, but I still love London and Italy.  Wish I could have done more of it when I was physically able.  Europe isn't made to accomodate non-walkers.  LOL.  I had my time and share of travel and am grateful for every minute of it.

  • revkat
    revkat Member Posts: 763
    edited February 2011

    OMG, I can't believe I forgot that I've been to Ontario, Canada, too. Two lovely days in Waterloo, followed by another two in Hamilton. What was I thinking? And we had to drive across the border because my daughter didn't have her passport yet.

    I wonder where else I've been that I can't remember . . .Tongue out 

    edited to change "permit" to "passport". D3 just got her driving permit and I guess I have it on the brain (what's left of my brain, that is) 

  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited February 2011

    My ex and I made a conscious decision to put travel high on our list for "things our daughter must do."  Nothing fights prejudice like experiencing other cultures and realizing that people are people everywhere, regardless of their rituals.  Thankfully, we've been able to afford it.

    My 19-yr-old has been to England, Ireland, Wales, Italy, Finland, Lapland, New Zealand, the wilds of Ontario and BC Canada (haha), the Bahamas, Kentucky, Tennessee, Idaho, Utah, California, Washington, Florida, Georgia, and probably a few that I've missed.  She was also in the International Baccalaureate program in high school and its members looked like the United Nations.  She has friends of every color and religion and they're a tight-knit group.  They give me hope for the future.  :-)

    Exposure to other cultures and different races is GOOD.  It won't turn you into a naive commie socialist dingbat.  On the contrary, my daughter is about as anti-racist and pro-world as you can get, and has one of the best BS-detectors I've ever seen. 

    Okay, I'm done with my daily "My Daughter Is Awesome" monologue. 

    Hope everyone has a great day!

    E

  • Enjoyful
    Enjoyful Member Posts: 3,591
    edited February 2011

    Oh darn it!  I forgot Quebec!  Sorry, covertanjou!

  • lewing
    lewing Member Posts: 1,288
    edited February 2011

    Your daughter *is* awesome, enjoyful, so why not proclaim it from the rooftops? 

    On the why-Americans-don't-travel-more-internationally thing . . . I think the vacation time issue is a big one.  As are the economics, as Darlene pointed out.  Our distribution of income is so unequal (amazing factoid: since 1989, 56% of all income growth in the U.S. has gone to the top 1% of the population), international travel becomes one more luxury to be enjoyed by a few.  I used to frequent a running message board, where one of the regular posters was an older guy who worked as a baggage handler at an Australian airport.  He regularly flew all over the world to run marathons; when he came to the U.S. to run in NYC, he was shocked at how little people in blue-collar occupations make here, and how strapped they are with expenses.  (And this guy was far, far from being a leftwinger.)

    And then there's the issue of college debt . . . young people in Australia (and elsewhere) are freer to travel because they're not burdened with college loans.

    That said: Darlene, I know you'll make that trip to Italy someday.

    (You guys are really whetting my appetite for travel.  AnneW mentioned Turkey . . . how could I have forgotten Turkey!  I drove through Turkey with my parents as a kid, and it's amazingly beautiful and interesting.  Gorgeous coastline, freaky rock formations in the interior.  Great food. I soooo want to go back someday.)

    L

  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited February 2011

    I have been to England, France (3x), Italy (4x), Sicily, Mexico (3x), Canada (NB, NS, ON, PQ), St Maarten, St Kitts and Nevis, St Barrts, Bequia, St Vincent (2X), Barbados (3x), Virgin Gorda, Antigua, St Lucia, Puerto Rico (2x). Wow, didn't realize how many places I have been. There are still many places I want to go here in the US. Topping the list is Zion National Park followed by Glacier and Grand Teton. Then Acadia, Denali and Yellowstone.

    Athena, all I can say is wow to your thoughtful and insightful post to Patmom.

    Morning all. Thick fog this AM in FL. Feb. is usually like that because the water is cold and the air is warm. Went up to 80 yesterday (sorry I am not rubbing it in). Hope the fog burns off. Usually does by 11. I live on an island off St Petersburg and there is water everywhere.

    edited for the usual many typos.

  • 2z54
    2z54 Member Posts: 261
    edited February 2011

    I just spent the last 10 minutes posting about my travel dreams, hit Submit, then the back button to edit something and lost it! 

    Suffice it to say... although I live in NJ, own a home in San Diego (well, owe more on it than it's worth -  with a husband from whom I'm temporarily separated - long story and not sure how temporary that is! LOL.... ) I sometimes dream of retiring in Italy.  Been there twice but still haven't seen as much of the country as I'd like too.  Would actually like to spend years eating my way through it!   Would be satisfied lately with just a few weeks in Rome and the Amalfi coast (which I haven't seen yet).  

    I did have one of the most beautiful and romantic dinners of my life in San Remo, on the Mediteranean. I choose San Remo so I could get over to Monte Carlo on a day trip. Turns out San Remo was wonderful!  I traveled there alone because... my husband won't fly anymore.  Hasn't flown in over 20 years.  Makes for a lot of road trips - and I'm not a happy passenger. In fact, car travel makes me very anxious; worse than watching or reading the news!   (Which, btw Shokk, I don't do much of any more.  Although I've met Arianna Huffington, I don't read the Huffington Post, Drudge or anything heavier than CNN.com's drivel.  I get my Alex Jones straight from Alex Jones because I find him passionate and probably accurate, and certainly entertaining food for thought. But even Alex Jones I take with a very large grain of salt!)

    I'm an American who keeps her passport updated all the time because I never know when the next time will be when I have that lucky combination of time, money AND health on my hands! Hope it's soon, though...

    sue

  • rosemary-b
    rosemary-b Member Posts: 2,006
    edited February 2011

    I haven't traveled much since I was a kid. Finances were the big concern. We had to stretch every dollar to raise 7 kids. I used to say my kids were my luxuries. We do have enough money to travel now but as soon as the last one got out of college I started having health issues and have a list of places to go but don't have the energy to plan a trip and while my DH is awesome his idea of travel is anywhere you can drive in a day so he won't be planning trips for us.

  • Ellie1959
    Ellie1959 Member Posts: 316
    edited February 2011
    You just made me about lose my breakfast - Bachmann/Palin? Oh, that ought to be good for America - yikes- dumb and dumber.............,Money mouth
  • lewing
    lewing Member Posts: 1,288
    edited February 2011

    BarbaraA, I just saw Zion National Park on your "places to go" list, and wanted to chime in about it's total awesomeness. You must go! Combine it with Bryce if you can; Bryce is even more other-worldly. Amazing, just amazing. My partner and I went to both last October, so they're still fresh in my mind.

  • lewing
    lewing Member Posts: 1,288
    edited February 2011

    It's = its. Damn you, auto-correct!

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited February 2011

    I've traveled extensively throughout the US, and lived in So. Utah for a couple of years.  By far the most fabulous place I've ever been.  I lived about 1/2 hour from Zion, so was there hiking all the time.  Only two hours from the No. rim of the Grand Canyon, which is spectacular and so much nicer than the crowded So. rim in AZ.  I love Bryce Canyon, Cedar Breaks, Kolob reservoir, which sits atop Zion and has the most fantastic views.  The hiking throughout the region was so much fun. 

    I even visited the polygamist towns on the way to the No. rim.  Very interesting sight.

    Ellie .. you made me chuckle first thing this a.m!

    Bren

  • rosemary-b
    rosemary-b Member Posts: 2,006
    edited February 2011

    I ahave been to Europe. When I was 11 my 2 unmarried aunts took me to Spain and Portugal. It was truly amazing and we did a lot of things I wouldn't have done if I had been there with my parents, like get a big blond streak in my hair (it was the sixties) so I would look older and be able to get into nightclubs!

  • IronJawedBCAngel
    IronJawedBCAngel Member Posts: 470
    edited February 2011

    If you considered that the average American worker makes far less in salary and benefits than the same job would have paid in the 70's, it is not surprising that most Americans can not afford to travel. 

    The only state my Dad did not travel to was Hawaii.  He loved Zion and Bryce and that entire region.  He had his first TIA at the age of 75 doing volunteer work for Yellowstone.  I loved that he spent his retirement traveling around this great country.  My regret is not taking him to Scotland.  He always wanted to go but for some reason put it off.

    Hoping that once we get past this stage in our lives, and I can rejoin the workforce, that we can plan some travel together.  My bucket list trip to Ireland will be paid for by a fund my kids have started as I told them I want nothing for Christmas, birthdays, Mother's Day, etc., until I make that journey.

    When we lived in Calgary, and were planning a family trip to England so that my ex-inlaws could meet their first grandchild, I was impressed that my oldest daughter's school greatly encouraged the trip, even though she would miss two weeks of school.  Their attitude was that she would get more out of that experience than anything she could learn in the classroom.. They said the same when we made our first trip to Kentucky to try to determine if I wanted to accept the job offer.  In contrast, any time we have run into the same situation with the schools here in Kentucky, they have refused to work with us, stating the child would get zeros for unexcused absence. Just a completely different attitude about the benefits of travel.

    I love that my children enjoy travel and embrace the cultural differences they have seen.

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