Taxol vs. Taxotere

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My wife just had her first treatment of Taxol, and she began experiencing severe neuropathy in her feet two days later. She has/had triple positive HER-2 breast cancer. She completed the first round of 4 "FEC" treatments. This next round of treatment began with Taxol and Herceptin. As we offered to pay for the Carboplatin, the insurance company will allow it. So now she's scheduled for a TCH treatment in two weeks, but I am very concerned with irreversible neuropathy if she continues to receive Taxol. Taxotere seems to be a better alternative based on what I've read. I'm wondering if there are any professionals, or survivors out there that can point to clinical evidence that supports the fact that the chances for long term neuropathy are less on Taxotere than Taxol. There are clinical Acetyl L-Carnitine trials underway for the treatment of neuropathy, but nothing conclusive has been determined as far as I know. Any words of wisdom are very much welcome - Dave

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  • heartnsoul76
    heartnsoul76 Member Posts: 1,648
    edited November 2010

    Dave, I was on Taxotere and I also took acetyl l-carnitine the whole time I was taking chemo. I did not get neuropathy, but occasionally I would notice some tingling in my hands or feet and I would double the acetyl l-carnitine for a few days. I think it might have helped me, but can't say for sure. While going through chemo, I took two 250 mg per day - if I noticed any tingling I would take 3 or 4 for a few days. I'm sorry, I don't know of any clinical evidence, but I thought I might share my experience with you in case it might help. I hope your wife gets better soon and that the rest of chemo is goes smoothly.

  • AsiaYM
    AsiaYM Member Posts: 2,216
    edited November 2010

    My regimen was 6 rounds of TAC: Taxotere, Adriamycin and Cytoxan.  Did not get neuropathy.  I soaked in the bath tub or hot tub a lot, that might have help but I don't have any proof of it.  Did not take any supplement per doctor's order but tried to eat a balanced meal everyday.  I did drink a bottle of Ensure( ImmunBalance) everyday which my doctor approved.  Lots of juicy fruits without skin and lots of homemade soups. 

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited August 2013

    I just had my 3rd tx of Taxotere, Carpboplatin and Herceptin (3/6 tx). I have some numbness in my left heel that seems to slowly get better by next treatment although not go away entirely. I had some slight numbness in my left lower palm but that is very slight.

    My onc is watching me closely. When I first mentioned it she said if it got worse she would consider lowering my does of taxotere. Last time we spoke my onc said she was not concerned with the neuropathy I'm having because it will not be permanent. I'm sure if it was more severe she would be concerned.

    I do find when I'm walking or exercising my neuropathy gets better. When I sit most of the day it doesn't get better. It's the worst in the morning when I first get up.

    Starting 2 weeks after my last tx I too have been using the  acetyl l-carnitine 500mg a day. Not sure if it's helping this time but so far my nueropathy in not worse than last time.

    I hope the taxotere is better for you wife. 

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    edited for update.
    I am now post tx 5 with one more to go. I still have some neuropathy in my left heel (numbness) but not to bad. I don't have it anywhere else.

  • msmpatty
    msmpatty Member Posts: 818
    edited November 2010

    Ace - I'm not sure I can answer your question about long term nueropathy, but I can direct you to the  results of the study in which two different regimens of Taxol and Taxotere were compared.  If you Google:  "Weekly Paclitaxel in the adjuvant treatment of breast cancer" and click the article from the NEJM, the report on the results comes up.  On the 8th page of the PDF is a comparison of toxic effects of the various regimes including nueropathy.   Although the regimes are somewhat similar in Grade 3 and 4 nueropathy, weekly Taxol had a significantly higher rate when Grade 2,3,4 were combined.

    Myself...I did 12 weekly Taxols after my Onc scared me about the nuetropenia incidence with Taxotere.  Unlike your wife, I didn't have any nueropathy until about half through and it was very mild and never got any worse after my dose was reduced by about 10% for the final 6 treatments.  It went away completely almost immediately after I finished.

    Good luck...I hope the new regime is easier for your wife.

    Patty

  • Leslie1962
    Leslie1962 Member Posts: 233
    edited November 2010

    Did just six weeks of Taxol before neuropathy kicked in. Switched to Taxotere for two remaining treatments. That was in April 2010. I still have neuropathy in my feet.

  • taxitreesdeb
    taxitreesdeb Member Posts: 24
    edited November 2010

    I have had my first paclotaxil treatment last Tuesday.  My feet and hands started tingling on Thursday night.  by Saturday morning my feet were almost completely numb.  I went to the emergency room and they called my doctor and got a prescription for Neurotin.  It's much better now but I still have odd feelings in my feet.

    I am not sure it the chemo is worth it if the neuropathy is permanent or lasts for years.Did you take any supplements or B-6 to see if that would reduce the incidence?  Does your doctor give you any hope it will go away?  Can you walk and work normally?  

  • Omaz
    Omaz Member Posts: 5,497
    edited November 2010
  • mrsnjband
    mrsnjband Member Posts: 1,409
    edited November 2010

    I started on Taxol and started to get neuropathy, so they switched me to Taxotere.  For me, taxotere had many for side effedts than Taxol.  With Taxotere I was in constant pain, dizziness, nausea as well as neropathy.  I wish I had stayed on the Taxol, they could have given me something for the neuropathy.  NJ

  • ACE0749
    ACE0749 Member Posts: 16
    edited November 2010

    Thanks heart & soul - appreciate it!

  • ACE0749
    ACE0749 Member Posts: 16
    edited November 2010

    Thanks Asia - appreciate it!

  • ACE0749
    ACE0749 Member Posts: 16
    edited November 2010

    Thank Lago - apprecite it!

  • ACE0749
    ACE0749 Member Posts: 16
    edited November 2010

    Thanks Patty - the study was VERY helpful!

  • ACE0749
    ACE0749 Member Posts: 16
    edited November 2010

    Thanks Leslie - apprecite it!

  • ACE0749
    ACE0749 Member Posts: 16
    edited November 2010

    Taxi, my wife's feet are much better. She's taking 1000mg ALC, three times a day. Not sure if it is helping, but it can't hurt. The Dr agreed to switch to taxotere for the last three treatments. I hope your feet are better........

  • ACE0749
    ACE0749 Member Posts: 16
    edited November 2010
  • ACE0749
    ACE0749 Member Posts: 16
    edited November 2010

    I'm sorry to hear that NJ. The studies show that you can get serious neuropathy from either, but you are a little less likely to get it from taxotere - I'm sorry you weren't one of the lucky ones. Take care, and I hope things get better.

  • taxitreesdeb
    taxitreesdeb Member Posts: 24
    edited January 2011

    The taxotere side effects were much worse but I am glad that it switched.  Since the neuropathy can be permanent, I'd rather live with side effects that are temporary and have feeling in my feet for the rest of my life. One of my friends told me it's been seven years and she's just starting to get some feeling back in her feet.  The neurotin they prescribe does nothing to prevent the neuropathy, just relieves some of the pain.

  • taxitreesdeb
    taxitreesdeb Member Posts: 24
    edited December 2010

    The taxotere side effects were much worse but I am glad that it switched.  Since the neuropathy can be permanent, I'd rather live with side effects that are temporary and have feeling in my feet for the rest of my life. One of my friends told me it's been seven years and she's just starting to get some feeling back in her feet.  The neurotin they prescribe does nothing to prevent the neuropathy, just relieves some of the pain.

    I am taking ALC and alpha lipoic acid to prevent the neuropathy.  Just had another taxotere treatment yesterday and promptly got the heebie jeebies in my feet.  I'm hoping that it's from the benadryl, as the nurse indicated, rather than the start of the neuropathy.  I'm upping my ALC to 3000 mg per day for the rest of the week.

  • skobili
    skobili Member Posts: 5
    edited January 2011

    I have the exact same type and stage of breast CA as your wife and I am an oncology certified nurse with a specialty in breast CA.  I just finished my 6 rounds of chemo and herceptin, with carbo and taxotere.  I also had severe neuropathy in both feet and hands.  The neuropathy in my hands/fingers has totally resolved itself and the feet are improving.  I am 49 yrs old.  I have been told (albeit post chemo) that taking a B vitamin can help reduce the progression of neuropathy. there are some drs in the practice who proactively prescribe vitamin B for prevention of the neuropathy.  hope this helps

  • ACE0749
    ACE0749 Member Posts: 16
    edited January 2011

    Hi Taxi,

    My wife had her second treatment of Carbo, Taxotere, and Herceptin on 12/27 - she's had pain in her feet, but it's almost tolerable - she has some foot cream for diabetics (www.jennscents.com) that helps, along with the 3,000 mg of ALC she takes daily. ONE MORE TREATMENT LEFT on 1/17/11 - BEST WISHES - Dave

  • ACE0749
    ACE0749 Member Posts: 16
    edited January 2011

    Hi SKO,

     Thank you for the info. My wife is getting some vitamin B from her multi's, but I wish the oncologist would have mentioned a few of the things that may have helped relieve the neuropathy. She's had two rounds of taxotere, and the side affects have been minimal compared to the taxol. One more round left and then on the radiation. Take Care.....................

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited January 2011

    I am looking for help to decide between Taxol and Taxotere. My oncologist has set me up for Cytoxan and Taxotere, but after reading about a small percentage of woman who have permanent hair loss on Taxotere (my onc confirmed this), I am up in the air.  He said he'll give me either. He has  patients out of over a 1000 who have had permanent hair loss on Taxotere, but he said many more than that with permanent neurapathy problems from Taxol. So which is worse? I have read that Taxol's neurapathy can actually rear its ugly head years later, so even if I think I've gotten thru unscathed, I could find out in 10 years that I did have nerve damage... I have also read that B-12 shots can help regain sensation.

    So... do I take my chances with my hair and go with Taxotere OR take my chances with my nerves and go with Taxol?

  • shells1
    shells1 Member Posts: 5
    edited January 2011

    I am a registered nurse and have looked into this extensively as I will begin Taxol treatment in a few weeks.  The neuropathy is worse and more longstanding with taxotere, from the information I have gathered from the  medical professionals with whom I have discussed the situation. The neuropathies are not permanent and generally subside several days after the taxol treatment.  I have not heard of any longstanding problems from survivors who I know personally and some are many years out.

    My oncology nurses and friend who have experienced this recommended glutamine (you can pick it up at the health food store or pharmacy) and tell me this alleviates the symptoms.  Also helps with the muscle aches and pains as well.

  • ACE0749
    ACE0749 Member Posts: 16
    edited January 2011

    Hi BD,

     As you have seen from Shells response, I think it all boils down to your metabolic make-up. After one treatment of Taxol, my wife could not walk or sleep for 2 and 1/2 days. Her feet felt like they were on fire. She has since had two treatments of Taxotere with very little side affects - one more to go. She has a foot cream she uses and she's been on 3,000 mg per day regiment of Acetyl L-Carnitine for several weeks to treat any neuropathy. She says she can tell when she misses a dose or two. Look for the clinical trial underway. Not sure, but they make some vey nice wigs now-a-days, and what's wrong with the G.I. Jane Look? Take Care, and best wishes.

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited January 2011

    Hi ACE0749... I am not afraid of hair loss, just permanent hair loss... I am 47 years old... no hair for the rest of my life would be VERY difficult, as would having chronic neurapathy... just trying to choose the lesser evil... having 6 treatments of cytoxan and one of the t's, 3 weeks apart... I am otherwise young and healthy, and my onc says I should skate thru easily... I just want to come out the other side in one piece... This chemo is preventative, so I don't want to be reminded everyday for the next 50 years that I made the wrong choice... I will for sure lose sleep over this for the next week.

  • Cat123
    Cat123 Member Posts: 296
    edited January 2011

    I am on AC right now and start Taxol in a few weeks.  My friend is currently taking Taxotere and is very sick.  I know with Taxotere there is a 7% ( I think) chance of hair never regrowing.

  • ACE0749
    ACE0749 Member Posts: 16
    edited January 2011

    HI BD,

    Sorry I didn't write earlier, but my wife has had severe fatigue lately. We're done with chemo, and she has some hair starting to grow already. If you went with Taxotere, I'm hopeful you'll have the same result - take care

  • ACE0749
    ACE0749 Member Posts: 16
    edited January 2011

    Thanks Cat. I'm hoping you don't get any of the neuropathy side affects - take care

  • moe0279
    moe0279 Member Posts: 200
    edited January 2011

    Im taking L-glutamine for neuropathy...i do have a little numbness in my big toes, but not so bad...I take 2 times daily and bought it at the health food store...I helps prevent mouth sores and neuropathy...since i started it my mouth has been sore a couple of times...

  • lago
    lago Member Posts: 17,186
    edited January 2011

    My onc had me suck on ice chips during Taxotere for my last 3tx when I told her my tongue was sore. It worked. 4tx not bad, 5th tx tongue not sore at all and this last 6tx slightly sore for 2 days. It doesn't always work but it did for me.

    Stats I have read for no hair on Taxotere is 3-6% but they really don't know because they just started counting. I have come to terms with that fact. If given the choice of permanent neuropathy or no hair I think I'll take the no hair. I don't want to live with pain.

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