How could I go for yearly mammos and end up with a 6.5cm tumour?

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  • Suze35
    Suze35 Member Posts: 1,045
    edited January 2011

    Mammo failed me here as well.  Clear in April, two 4cm tumors in September.  Mine were grade 3, and I have very dense breasts, so it is likely they were there, small, and not detectable. 

    What bothers me is that when I got my "all clear" in April, it basically said just that.  But when I got the actual report in September, it clearly stated that due to dense breast tissue, self exam should be reinforced to the patient.  No one ever said a word about that to me.  I did do self exams, but only every few months as I had no history in my family.

    This is why I'm getting a BMX.  With TN and dense breasts, I will never trust mammos again.

  • zap
    zap Member Posts: 2,017
    edited January 2011

    Thanks Barbe.  I was editing mistakes while you were posting. I am glad I was clear.

    To anyone who is grappling with voluntary bilateral masectomy when there is no cancer (it is hopefully history) I think the purpose of couseling is to be sure you are making a decsion based on reason (and emotion) and not just fear.  Maybe fear is a good motivation, though.  I am just not sure.  I think  she was pretty confident I was not suicidal.Foot in mouth

  • TonLee
    TonLee Member Posts: 2,626
    edited January 2011

     I found my lump in the shower....it was big enough that you could also just see it pushing up the skin at 11 o'clock.  They gave me FOUR mammos because it was obvious it was there with the naked eye...and none of them showed a thing.

    The US though, picked it up very clear.

    The survivor's group I attend (right now it sits at about 20 members) ...mammo showed them all clear but one...

  • joan888
    joan888 Member Posts: 810
    edited January 2011

    Mark me down as another one whose mammograms failed.  I also had US that didnt' show anything.  Finally found a doctor who ordered an MRI and there it was!  I always warn my friends now about the limitations of mammograms.  I tell that if anyone tells you that you have dense breasts, just demand an MRI.

    Just another added kicker... a week after I got home from my BMX surgery, I get the little form letter in the mail letting me know that my mammogram was NORMAL and come back in a year.  Yeah, right!  I had walked away from that hospital when they botched a needle biopsy and lost my confidence.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited January 2011

    I got that "all clear" notice after I had to have a mammo AFTER MY BILATERAL MASTECTOMY!!! Can you friggin' believe it!???!? I had two masses we needed to check out but the department demanded that before ultrasound that I get a mammo. I TOLD them I didn't have breasts to mammo, but they insisted! When I dropped my gown the tech's jaw dropped. Told you so! They got about 1/2 " under the panel and that was "all clear" see you in 2 years. TWO years? I'm going to be 53 in May and I've already had cancer!!!!

    I refused to let them do my left (cancer) side due to LE. They said "Oh, we do LE patients all the time!" I said, probably LE because of the mammogram! But not THIS patient. It was noted in the paperwork to my doc that I "refused". He agreed! He had sent me for ultrasound!

  • Cat123
    Cat123 Member Posts: 296
    edited January 2011

    Well, I am a member of the very dense breasts club.  I'm 47 so you can still have dense breasts when you're older.  If only I had known too that dense breasts make a mammo impossible to read and that it may be a precursor to cancer.  I laugh now when I see all these pink ads for getting yearly mammos because they could save your life.  Not true!

  • Fearless_One
    Fearless_One Member Posts: 3,300
    edited January 2011

    Because mammos are pretty useless on dense breasts.   I went every year, too.   Had I not noticed a dimpling on the skin, mine would have gone unnoticed, too.

  • bdavis
    bdavis Member Posts: 6,201
    edited January 2011

    I have done my mammos since age 35 due to a lump (ADH) back then... since aged 42 (now age 48) or so I have also had ultrasounds done at the same visit... my doctors have been great about ordering the tests... Of course this September when I found a lump and was due for my tests in Oct, I went in for my yearly mammo/US but expected what I always get... need for more views,  due to cysts and fibroids... My lump didn't show on mammo but did show on US... went for MRI and they more suspicious stuff that turned out to be benign (determined thru biopsy)...

    But now that I've had my lumpectomy, I am still concerned cuz my left breast is full of hyperplasia, adenosis, metaplasia, pappallomas, microcalcifications... some of which is a precursor to cancer... Thinking about the PBMX instead of MRI 4x a year and never sleeping due to worry.

    no family history, haven't had genetic testing yet, but if its positive, I know what I'll be doing.

  • kindone
    kindone Member Posts: 523
    edited January 2011

    Same here,Ladies, mammograms and sonos failed me for years.  Good mammo in May and Nov. Stage 3.  Tumor 6cm sticking right out of me and not pick up. Very dense breast.  MRI pick it up but How long was it growing?  I tell women all the time if they have dense breast insist on a MRI.  Mammos give us false hope.  So I can understand why we are angry.  Betty

  • Char2010
    Char2010 Member Posts: 532
    edited January 2011

    Same here.  Annual mammos for ten years.  Second ultra sound picked-up malignant tumor only because first picked-up benig nodule.  Long story why did an ultra sound to begin with.  Never told I had dense breasts and that mammos don't work as well.  Now being told digital mammogram is standard protocol for follow-up.

  • kayj
    kayj Member Posts: 8
    edited January 2011

    I feel you're frustration and anger.  I too had a mammo 1year ago... actually had to go back for repeat films. Came back normal and recommeded repeat in a year.  A few days later I got the letter about dense breasts.  Went to GYN for annual in Sept. and nothing noted on exam.  Felt a lump in the right side in Nov., nothing on left and then on routine mammo in Nov, there it was in the left breast.(right breast just a superficial cyst)  How could we all have missed my 2 cm mass? (Stage 2 grade 3 with node involvelment)  I opted for a single MX on left but am concerned about how to monitor the right.  Right now just trying to stay strong and forge ahead with this latest challenge.

  • Bugs
    Bugs Member Posts: 1,719
    edited January 2011

    Yeppers....the mammo didn't pick up my 8.5cm tumor in my very dense breasts.

  • hrf
    hrf Member Posts: 3,225
    edited January 2011

    I didn't have dense breasts and mammo, MRI and us failed me. Plus I was going for physicals every 3 months because of previous BC and brca2. By the time it was found it was 2.2 cm and in 4 lymph nodes. This was my 2nd BC and I had gone for yearly mammos and 3 x yearly for physicals. Yup, they failed me too and I am still angry

  • TrustMary
    TrustMary Member Posts: 20
    edited January 2011

    I have been going for mammos every year for 10 yrs. I was called back 2 yrs ago and was told because of dense tissue they wanted to do a us. was told after that it was cystic breasts and to come back in 6 mo. I did that and then was told that they looked like they were shrinking and now come back yearly for mammos. Had one last May and it was normal (so thet said). My fault, I felt a lump under my arm but ignored it because I was convinced it was nothing as I did not feel anything in my breast and I felt confident I was fine do to the normal mammo. That was last summer. In December I felt lump in my left breast and immediately went to see breast surgeon. after ultrasound, he said it was breast cancer and then followed by needle biopsy and MRI. I had mastectomy two weeks ago and yesterday I had to go for CT scan and bone scan as 16 out of 20 lymph nodes were positive. I am a nervous wreck waiting for the results. Please pray for me.

  • weesa
    weesa Member Posts: 707
    edited January 2011

    Cat123,  I'm another person who mammogram/shammograms utterly failed.It seems like most of us here have a bad story about trusting mammograms. I am going to try to bump an old list of women who were diagnosed despite clear mammograms.

  • 1WonderWoman
    1WonderWoman Member Posts: 2,065
    edited January 2011

    Hello all... I was just getting neulasta post-chemo (final tx..so glad!) and was talking about this very same topic with a woman in the infusion room.   My mammo showed roughly 1cm and 2 months later, after bmx, it seems that 1cm grew to 2.5cm and I also had 3.5cm of DCIS.  I still believe, and all the medical peeps say no, that when the biopsy is performed they do wake up the cancer and it starts to get on the move.  That is the only thing I can think.  

    My mammo at 38 showed shadows but they were not sufficient enough for further investigation.   My second mammo, at 40, showed the 1cm and 2 months later it was 150% larger than it's mammo perceived size?   I do think that those of us with nominal findings on the mammo, with post-surgical much larger findings, have not necessarily been failed by the mammo system but rather the biopsy needle woke it up.

    Surely we will never know! 

  • happyhere
    happyhere Member Posts: 15
    edited January 2011

    When I was 19, I was sent for a mammogram for something suspicious and nothing was found.  But I remember the radiologist telling me that if I ever got breast cancer they would have a very difficult time finding it.  I had very fibrocystic and dense tissue.  22 years later, 7 mammograms, 7 ultrasounds and one negative biopsy later, they removed a 6cm tumor.  Both the last mammogram and ultrasound showed two tumors less than 1cm in size.  Never felt a thing.  I had not felt well for 8 years and tried everything to fix thryoid, out of balance hormones, etc. to feel better and I very slowly felt worse.  So I started going monthly to an acupunturist because I got fed up with the doctors not able to make me feel better.  The first three months I had so much junk leave my system that I finally felt better.  2 years later I was once again feeling worse than before and that's when they found the cancer.  The miracle was that the tumor was 6 cm but all my lymph nodes were negative.  I can't prove it but I think the two years a acupuncture kept the cancer out of my lymph system.  Only 1% chance that the nodes would come back negative with my size tumor.

  • Cat123
    Cat123 Member Posts: 296
    edited February 2011

    Well, I have been telling all women to check to see if they have dense breasts and insist on ultrasounds as well as mammograms.  Many women I speak to are shocked that mammograms don't pick up breast cancer tumours as we are all told that mammograms lead to early detection of breast cancer and we know that this is not true.  I am trying to educate my girlfriends that this is not the case and with dense breasts you have to insist on ultrasound.  I wish the medical community would put dense breast gals in a different category.  It is a shame to go through years of mammos only to find out that they didn't pick up images of large tumours.  I am still angry that this is a sham in many ways.  Women need to be educated as to how this all works.  Unfortunately, we  found out when it's too late.  Makes me angry.

  • Pessa
    Pessa Member Posts: 519
    edited February 2011

    I found a lump one month after a normal mammo (had gotten them yearly since age 40---am now 59).  US and MRI then showed a .9 cm mass which was invasive on bx.  Had lumpectomy, which also found 8 cm DCIS, along with the .9 IDC.  I decided to have a bilat mastectomy (2 separate surgeries, 2nd one 11/10) as there would be no way to moniter for recurrance in the future.  The DCIS was not seen on any study and obviously had been there for years.  Also had chemo AC x4(Oncotype score 24, but wanted to be as aggressive as possible).  Now on Arimidex.  I tell my story to others so they will at least do self-exams and not think that mammos will necessarily find cancer. 

  • Cat123
    Cat123 Member Posts: 296
    edited February 2011

    Hi Pessa,

     Yes, I think it is important that we tell other women that mammos are not the be all and end all of detecting breast cancer.  I am realizing how many women with bc were not detected through mammos at all.  I wish I knew this earlier.

  • Lou10
    Lou10 Member Posts: 332
    edited February 2011

    I also have very dense breasts and was not diagnosed early. As you may know, there are some other threads on this issue: "For Those with Dense Breasts Tissue" and others (search "dense breasts"). It's so frustrating. Women need to know this.

  • Gabrielle
    Gabrielle Member Posts: 73
    edited February 2011

    14 months before diagnosis at age 44, I had a clear mammogram.  Diagnosed with a 5.2 cm tumor.  I opted for a bilateral mastectomy.  Going strong in my 12th year.  Hang in there. 

  • Eaglesara
    Eaglesara Member Posts: 13
    edited February 2011

    I had two mammograms in April but was given the all clear.  October, I felt a hardness in my breast that did not feel like a "tumor" -  was getting my period, knew I had fibrous tissue and did not get too concerned.  A couple of days later my right breast was noticably different - enlarged and nipple was slightly inverted and very pale.  Within a week, I had a breast and node biopsy, MRI (IIIa, 1 node tested positive for cancer, 5.7 cm tumor with several "satelite lesions"), PetCT scan, a port put in and on my way to 6 chemo treatments (ACT).  I have completed 5 of 6.  I am opting for a bi-lateral mastectomy (April) which will be followed by 6 weeks of daily radiation (May).  My mantra to my friends and family has become - know your "junk".  I think we all get some sort of relief after a clear mammogram - like we are safe for a year.  Your Dr. is never going to tell you don't rely on the mammogram because it has a huge failure rate.  They are going to ask you if do self exams but they typically don't tell you why you absolutely should.  When people ask me what they can do for me - instead of dinner for my family or driving me to chemo, I am going to say check and know your breasts because you never want to be in this "club".

  • thegoodfight
    thegoodfight Member Posts: 560
    edited February 2011

    There are too many of us with this story.  Two months before I was diagnosed (found lump in shower) I had a "normal" mammo.  I had them annually for 23 years and they were always NORMAL!!   My BS told me my first cancer was there probably close ten years and my second one about seven years. Yes there  was another primary in a different quandrant of the same breast, that appeared when I requested a breast MRI.  Now I have my diagnostic mammo and my breast MRI every year in six month intervals.   And...............I now do self exams.  It is a learning experience.

  • grdnslve
    grdnslve Member Posts: 310
    edited February 2011

    i got the letter saying my mammo was normal, then a call from the radiologist telling me he wanted me to disregard the letter as he just had a bad feeling & wanted me to get a bx.  i remember being a bit irritated, as i was so sure it was nothing.  the bx was a pain, as the us didn't clearly pick up the spot well, so there were many pokes.  but the path results were positive.  the bs wanted an mri of both breasts, the 'good' breast showed 'something', & the bc side showed two little areas.  had an us of the 'good' breast which didn't show anything, so went for an mri guided bx.  they couldn't find anything to bx.  we started going to the casino after every appt just to cope with the conflicting info.  i saw the mammos myself & there was nothing to 'see' in terms of changes, or clearly defined suspicious area.  i just thank God for a radiologist with a gut feeling.  surgery unearthed two 2cm tumors & one 6cm with lymph node involvement, and disease in surrounding tissue.  and no, we could not feel a lump.  the breast didn't feel any different than it ever did.

    i'm more angry about the asshole the premarital counselling didn't pick up & wasting those years.  but then just glad i got out of that before ending up in an ann rule book.  then i found the other half of my heart, so all is well.

    the mammos, us & mri were not perfect, but ultimately i was diagnosed & treated. kind of like winning the lottery twice.  well, if you throw in the brain tumor & the divorce from psycho, maybe that is four times.

  • pupfoster1
    pupfoster1 Member Posts: 1,484
    edited February 2011

    I too had a 6.5 cm tumor, plus several "smaller" ones.  The classic dense breast syndrome.  "They" say it's like trying to find a polar bear in a snow storm on a mammo.  Crap it just sucks doesn't it?

    Sharon

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited February 2011

    Cat123, I too went for yearly mammos and actually had 3 mams the same year I discovered my 5.2 cm lump myself.  Never showed up on any mammo. That's why I really hate all the BC hype to women and offering a false sense of security with yearly mammograms.

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    Barb

  • AnacortesGirl
    AnacortesGirl Member Posts: 1,758
    edited February 2011

    Sharon,

    I was told the very same thing - a polar bear in a snowstorm!  But I was able to see the digital results myself and I had to agree.  There was no sign of the tumor itself.  But because of my physical symptoms (pain being the major symptom) the radiologist did a call back.  Honestly, I think I was lucky that day because the normal radiologist was off and I had a lady doc.  She was concerned about the 3 microcalcifications that appeared to be clustered.  I saw that mammo also.  I'm looking at these 3 dots and trying to figure out how they look any different than the other dots on the screen.  She tried to explain the clear edges, blah, blah, blah but, hey, they sure looked the same to me!  All I have to say is Thank You, wonderful lady doc! (Wish I could remember her name.)  She gave me the choice of a 6 month wait or immediate referral for biopsy.  And she even said if it were her, with my family history, she would opt for the biopsy.  Thank goodness I did.  In the 3 weeks it took to get the excisional biopsy (the sterotatic couldn't get positioned) I went from feeling nothing under my armpit to a lump in my lymph nodes.  It was growing fast.

  • Omaz
    Omaz Member Posts: 5,497
    edited February 2011

    I have dense breast tissue too, found my own lump. Does anyone know if thermography works for dense breast tissue??

  • VickiSam
    VickiSam Member Posts: 407
    edited February 2011

    My storry  annual mammo's .. had excisional biopsy - twice, negative for cancer.  Fast forward 2 years .. now large lump (same area) I thought at first it was scar tissue, but it grew and became very tender to the touch!   Mammo showed dense tissue with suspicion of breast cancer 6-10-09.  General surgery on 8/10/09  -- I was told that I had breast cancer on 8/14/09 -- DCIS .. tumor removed size of a golf ball, tissue plus tumor to guarantee clear margins -- orange size removed from my left breast. 

    My question .. how did I go from no breast cancer to DCIS .. stage 1, her2 positive in less than 1 year.  I am 43 years of age???   No other breast cancer in my family,  I am the first female member.   My mom's younger sister did have .. lymph node cancer - about 20 years ago.  

    It seems unfair, and impossible.  but it did happen to me .. fast forward 1 year and 6 months .. I am alive, I am well, and I am a 'Survivor'.  

    Vicki Sam

    DCIS, Stage 1  Her2neu positive, er/pr negative  0/3 nodes- no cancer

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