Reading about TN online makes me feel hopeless, is this the end?
I was reviewing my pathology report and noticed that I am triple negative, and after reading online that chemo only works for 40% of TN and patients with TN die quickly when recurrence occurs, I was wondering if this is near the end? If the cancer recurs, does it have to also be TN or could it be another kind that is more easily treatable? Does anyone have any statistics of patients with TN, like 5 year survival rates, recurrence rates, and so on
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Hang in there...our triple negs will come on and let you know that there are many things to be done - don't you dare count yourself out yet!
CyberHugs LowRider
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Sister, I don't know what you read but statistic for triple negatives and chemo is WRONG WRONG WRONG!!!!!!!!!!!!! We are lucky, yes, lucky that chemo works BETTER on us than on ER/PR possitive breast cancer. Our cancer does tend to be more aggressive but chemo kills faster growing cancer cells best.
Add your diagnosis to your signature on your profile so we can talk to you about your specific information. As you can see I did tons of chemo...had many possitive nodes but not quite sure how many because I did neo-adjuvent chemo (before surgery) and was able to see that that wonderful chemo Adriamycin/cytocin(sp) and then taxol wiped out my entire tumor in my breast and wiped out every last cell of invasive cancer in my breast. I was only left with one pin point worth of cancer in one node upon surgery. So, I did more chemo after surgery.
I will be celebrating my 3 year anniversary from diagnosis in a couple weeks and knock on wood no signs of it returning.
Another "good" thing about being triple negative is that if it doesnt come back in the first 3 or 3.8 or so years, the odds of it coming back at all go way way down. By 5 years, recurrance is very very low.
Make sure you get the best chemo. Even get a second opinion...I did. I paid just $350 to Stanford for an appointment, then switched my care over to them.
Get the best chemo...I may be out of date on what that is and I know the same chemo doesn't work the same on every triple negative sister.
There is tons of hope. Many people never recur. I think recurrance rates are soemthing like only 30% or less depending on node status, etc. So something like 70% of never recur.
Step one is CHEMO, CHEMO, CHEMO. It is your best friend. Also, its so doable. Get good anti nausea drugs. Remembr to ask your doctor what is the max you can safely take. I took it round the clock. Never threw up...but lost a bit of weight. Studies suggest that weight loss is good for us...but while on chemo just eat to stay strong to be ready for you next chemo. That is much more important.
Bless you sister, you have lots of friends here.
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Come to this thread !
http://community.breastcancer.org/forum/72/topic/752075?page=146#idx_4352
copy and paste if the link doesn't work
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Thanks for the support ladies, I am afraid because I read that it is a rare cancer and there isn't many options in terms of treatment and was really afraid after reading that only 40% of TN respond to chemo but I read elsewhere that chemo is actually most effective for TN so I am quite confused. What happens when a cancer does not respond to chemo?
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They find something else - radiation - surgery - a different kind of chemo
Have you seen an oncologist?
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I have to be quick because I am doing paperwork for my hubby, but I am triple negative and I will be 6 years out in April. All I can tell you is that we hit it with everything possible in the available arsenal. Taxol weekly x 12, AC every other week x 4, total mastectomy, radiation x 30 treatments plus 5 "boost" treatments to the chest wall, axilla and clavicular areas. Yes, I wound up with lymphedema because of the arsenal, but I am still here... and that is all that mattered to me. Hugs to you.
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I will be meeting with my oncologist shortly, and am hoping that they have something for me, am just hoping for any good news at this point as the internet has really got me down and all I have left is reading the success stories that bring out the little hope I have left
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Be careful what you read online. Lots of the information may be dated. Also you need to read many studies to really understand which ones are valid.
I am not a triple negative but I had the same reaction you did when I started my jouney as an HER2+ diagnosis. I thought I was doomed until I learned more.
I too have read that chemo works best on fast growing tumors like triple negative. It also appears that once you make it through the first 3 years you have a much lower chance of recurrence than hormone positive cancers.
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I could have written your exact same post, four years ago. Did and felt, the same thing. Sucks doesn't it?
Hang in there sister. There are boat loads of us TN's on here.
Traci
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Thanks for the response Traci-----T...
Could you tell me what kind of treatment you got and do you know if you have BRCA 1 or 2?
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Hey old timers! Nordy and Tracy! Could you post for us every day..maybe a couple of times? We need you...just kidding..but we newbies and kinda newbies appreciate your posts.
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Hey old timers! Nordy and Tracy! Could you post for us every day..maybe a couple of times? We need you...just kidding..but we newbies and kinda newbies appreciate your posts.
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I was in your same situation last year. The first thing that you need to do is STOP RESEARCHING ONLINE, at least for now. You should find a doctor you trust and as many second opinions as you need to feel comfortable, have those doctors agree on a plan of treatment for you and then take things ONE STEP AT A TIME. I followed MD Anderson's treatment protocol and had chemo first. The chemo killed EVERYTHING! When they did surgery there was NO MORE CANCER!! Since I had chemo FIRST we could see exactly how effective it was on my cancer, as opposed to removing the tumor with surgery and then hoping that the chemo worked on any remaining cell. Since chemo kills cells while they are in the process of dividing, chemo is actually most effective at killing aggressive(frequently dividing) cells. This is why chemo affects other rapidly dividing cells(skin, hair, digestive tract lining, etc. Last year I felt doomed when I found out I had TN. But as it turns out for me I have a greater than 94% chance of this cancer NEVER recurring(this is bc I had a complete response to chemo and there was no evidence of disease(NED) at time if surgery.) So while a TN diagnosis was scary as hell, I assembled my medical team with care, followed their treatment plan, and as a result I'm cancer free and fully expect to be forever. Please don't waste you time and energy researching possibly old data and focus on what your doctors tell you. Remember, the statistics are just a tool for the medical community to track their progress. The statistics by definition, are comprised of old data. Old protocols that may of may not be the same still, ALL PATIENTS (older women, women with other medical conditions, women without access to the best care, women in the poverty sector, etc) one thing is for certain, YOU ARE NOT A STATISTIC!!! It is impossible to be only 60% or 40% alive, you are 100% alive now and I have no reason to believe that you won't end up with the same great result as me. Hang in there honey, this is THE WORST PART!! You can do it!!!
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Sometimes the only way to find out if your team of doctors is current with the new research is to look online. I think keeping an open mind and seeking out second or third opinions is the way to go. Researching online led me here to bc.org.
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I know that some people are really great at flushing out quality info on the Internet. I was not that person while my dx was still so new. I managed to flush out only the worst case scenarios and doom and gloom statistics and then compulsively ruminated on those bad things. If you do this to yourself(as I did) please stop. I got a list of doctor approved websites to visit and I stuck to those (this was one of them). If you are able to use the Internet effectively then you are blessed. If the Internet scares the living crap out of you (like it did me) then stop the madness. At least while you are still so raw.
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Another thing that was helpful for me... I had my husband and my BF(a librarian) research on the Internet to find sites "pre-approved" for my viewing. Yes, I was actually this wimpy. That's bc one bad website had the power to send me into an emotional tailspin. While I consider myself fairly intelligent and capable, I was not the same person for quite awhile after my DX.
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I was diagnosed TN 8 days ago. My first oncologist appointment is Monday. I know exactly what you are feeling. Not knowing what stage I am is nearly unbearable. I found the lumps alittle more than four weeks ago and am so ready to start treatment ASAP. We will beat this thing together! K
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Hi kadorazio..and loving-mom..yes..you two start talking...and we will be with you too!
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I was diagnosed stage IV TNBC June last year. I've had taxol and Avastin every two weeks. Now clear enough to go onto just Avastin for "maintenance". (have some nodes in neck that will be radiated soon.). please try to keep up your spirits- all is most certainly not lost! God Bless.
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Thanks TNBC-ER..glad things are going OK with you...
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Brandy - My doctor followed the MD Anderson protocol as well and I also had chemo upfront. Brandy has great advise about the internet. I never looked up statistics, quite frankly, because I did not want to know. But I would always manage to find some website with doom and gloom. Listen, we all know the raw end of cancer... and it is always somewhere in our minds - sometimes in the front, sometimes in the back... but back then, I didn't want to hear it. I just wanted to focus on trying to live. There were many days that my husband threatened to take the computer away because I would come across something that would really upset me.
Things are always so hard in the very beginning. Take a deep breath, get all your facts together (not opinion, not necessarily statistics, but facts), put your best foot forward and dive on into treatment. Get a journal and a calendar. Count down the treatments. Write down your feelings. Love your family and friends as best you can. Try to eat healthy when you feel up to it. Take a nap when you feel tired. Cry when you need to. There is no shame in having emotions. This is a tough diagnosis. If you believe in God or another entity - pray. Meditate. Listen to your favorite music. (Okay, so here I am laughing because my favorite chemo music was Linkin Park). Take time for you. If you don't normally let people help you, now is the time to let them - don't be afraid to say what you need. People really do want to help... they just don't know how sometimes. Oh, and be prepared for the uncalled for, not-very-thoughtful comments, that will for sure come from sometimes unexpected sources. Again, sometimes people just don't know what to say... sometimes, well... sometimes there is no excuse and stupid people say stupid things...
Breast cancer.org is a great resource without being overly opinionated (not necessarily the boards as sometimes we are opinionated - but the educational part of the site) and I also really liked the Livestrong site...
And last but not least... you have a great group of women here all pulling for you when times get tough. Lots of hugs...
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Nordy, thanks for the comforting response.
"Listen, we all know the raw end of cancer... and it is always somewhere in our minds - sometimes in the front, sometimes in the back... but back then, I didn't want to hear it. I just wanted to focus on trying to live."
Great statement, I feel really comfortable when reading your response
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loving_mother - you are welcome. And lots of hugs to you. Hang in there.
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loving-mother...I hope you are feeling a bit better...now I can tell you my experience real quick - I have mets and when I was first dx'd, I was all over the med sites looking at all the statistics just as your were and seeing the quick dire looking future. It had me making out my will, packing stuff up, saying my goodbye's and had half of me already buried - then I found this site.
Real live people living with this disease - stage iv too, living, treating and thriving - ok, so there is a much needed reason for getting mental health under control so the never ending crying stops and the pain too - but as of this week, after only one failed treatment, changing to another and then having it approved at a double dose - 16 months and 6 days out - I am STABLE! I will be treating forever but I am stable and could be for a long time - maybe even get to meet Reggie (full regression) or NED (no evidence of disease).
The TN's have got you now - you are in good hands...Hugs LowRider
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Loving Mother - most triple negatives end up cured as long as it hasn't metastasized. And actually, the thing I was told and keep hearing is that it responds better to chemo than many bc's. The more aggressive ones tend to respond better. If you make it to three years your chance for survival goes way way up (talked to one of my many friends who's past 3 years and she said the stat she was given initally was 70 percent survival and at 3 years it shot up to 85 percent survival) She had it in 3 nodes and I don't remember the size of her tumor. Once you get to five years, it is highly unlikely to come back. I was given 70 percent for survival at diagnosis with a 3-cm tumor and having it in 2 nodes and that was with "fair" overall health.
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Meg,
Hi, I'm new and I better stop getting into all these threads because I literally spend 14 hours a day on the computer and most of that time on threads when I need to work and spend time with my husband! But I just wanted to say I saw you just had your 3 year cancerversay! Very big for TN! Congratulations! Happy for you. I may not check back in till late next week. I really n eed to control myself on this computer.
Rachel
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Loving Mother,
RachelKa wrote:
Loving Mother - most triple negatives end up cured as long as it hasn't metastasized. And actually, the thing I was told and keep hearing is what I noticed others here wrote: it responds better to chemo than many bc's. The more aggressive ones tend to respond better. If you make it to three years your chance for survival goes way way up (talked to one of my many friends who's past 3 years and she said the stat she was given initally was 70 percent survival and at 3 years it shot up to 87 percent survival) She had it in 3 nodes and I don't remember the size of her tumor. Once you get to five years, it is highly unlikely to come back. I was given 70 percent for survival at diagnosis with a 3-cm tumor and having it in 2 nodes and that was with "fair" overall health.
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I think I like you Rachel K...why don't you come over to the calling all TN's thread? We like meeting new TN's...and have a pretty lively discussion going about..well..everything!!!
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Wow....this post is really encouraging to me! I was just diagnosed, had BMX 3 weeks ago and am waiting anxiously for the "tumor board's" decision on what to do with me regarding chemo. Thanks, ladies, we draw hope and strength from ladies like you.
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No recurrences for me! Not that it's not on my mind...just not nearly as much as it used to be. I am 4 years out from the beginning of my chemo and BMX. I did what seems to be an unusual regimen. I was given Taxotere, Epirubicin and Cytox all at once...6 doses...every 3 weeks. My first node had a 1.5 cm extranodal extension. I was very healthy otherwise and my onc said he wanted to be very aggressive with my chemo. No rads. I did very well with chemo and never was sick, but had thrush every time...yuck. Wished that I would have said no to the decadron in my premeds. I did a Neulasta shot after each chemo. I also had 2 MUGA's. I still get bloodwork every 3-4 months and bone and CT scans every 10 months.
These boards were an amazing source of support and I have made many friends, some that we get together several times a year. I certainly encourage anyone facing chemo to head to that discussion and join the group that will be starting chemo at the same time you will. It helps to be going through it together
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