Anyone else ILC and IDC?

Trisha-Anne
Trisha-Anne Member Posts: 2,112

I'm just wondering how many other ladies have both ILC and IDC?  I had both in the same breast and because of that a lumpectomy wasn't an option.  Now I've seen my pathology report the two cancers have different hormone and HER2 receptors. 

I've now done two lots of FEC with one more to go and then start on Taxotere and twelve months of herceptin.

I'm a little worried that having both in one breast will affect my chances of recurrence.  

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  • nikola
    nikola Member Posts: 466
    edited December 2010

    Hi,

    I had three cancers in right breast. One was IDC, other was mixed, and third one was ILC. According to my onc they are staging You according the biggest one and risk is not any higher as they all started with same trigger. Now, my third one was the smallest one and only 0.2 cm and it was not tested. I had mastectomy and margins were widely negative. My other two were ER/PR positive and Her2 negative. I had 4 T/C and I just got my first zoladex injection.

    I asked him if he would change Tx if third one was tested and pathology was different and he said no. Maybe I should push for Her2 testing for that one.

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited December 2010

    I had both IDC and ILC - one in each breast. The ILC was discovered a year ago - it was HER2+ve so I had lumpectomy, chemo and rads. The IDC was only discovered in October this year but seems to have been there last year but wasn't diagnosed. Luckily that one wasn't HER2+ve. Both were very highly ER receptive - 90% and both were PR receptive 95% and 20%. I had another lumpectomy and will have radiation again. I'm also on Arimidex.

    I'm glad you are having chemo and herceptin. My onc swears by it for HER2. Now is not the time to worry. Just get through your treatment and be glad they found it and it's gone.

    All the best,

    Sue

  • dlb823
    dlb823 Member Posts: 9,430
    edited August 2013

    Me, too -- 4 lesions -- one mixed ILC & IDC; 2 smaller ILC; and 1 tiny Tubular (which is a form of IDC).  Is there any chance you were on HRT?  I was for many years, and I think that was the primary cause of my bc.   

    My breast surgeon basically said what Nikola's said -- staging & treatment is based on the size of the largest one, and multiple lesions, while they increase the tumor load, do not mean any worse outcome.   

    Trisha-Anne, were your lesions both Her+ or Her-, but just varying degrees?  Or was one + and one - ?     Deanna

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited December 2010

    I asked my surgeon which breast cancer could be caused by HRT - she said ER receptive. Given both tumours were 90% - I think that's what caused it, as well as taking the pill for most of my life.

  • karen1956
    karen1956 Member Posts: 6,503
    edited December 2010

    My breast was full of cancer....my finally Dx is ILC, tage 3A, ER/PR+, HER2-, but in recenlty reading my path report, I believe there was also IDC...there were at least 3 biopsies done as well as lymph nodes that were cancer....the boob was just a mess!!! even at time of 1st set of biopsies was told lumpectomy was not an option as 2 places were too far apart...never worried about having more than one type "bc"...maybe because it was all so overwhelming at time of Dx, I really didn't read my path report closely other than what BS and I read together which focused on hormone status, grade and being ILC....since I had bilat, chemo, rads, ooph and AI's I've pretty had all available Tx....

  • Trisha-Anne
    Trisha-Anne Member Posts: 2,112
    edited December 2010

    My IDC is triple positive, the ILC is ER+, PR+ and HER2-

    I only took the pill for around five years from about the age of 17.  I was trying to fall pregnant, and had very bad endometriosis which meant I ended up with a hysterectomy at 28 (I'm now 53), so didn't need the pill. Didn't get to fall pregnant either which was hard to cope with at the time, I really wanted kids.  

    When I started menopause about 8 years ago, my main problem was hot flushes, and I never went onto HRT.  There were doubts about it then, and I decided that I could manage the hot flushes without treatment.

  • GinaL
    GinaL Member Posts: 2
    edited December 2010

    My mom was diagnosed last week (Merry Christmas) with both.  Anway, were meeting with the surgeon in the morning..I have no idea what to expect..We know nothing except she was both lob and duc both invasive I guess..The waiting is the hardest. Until last week I had no idea there were different types of breast cancer.

  • Houndmommy
    Houndmommy Member Posts: 377
    edited January 2011

    I had IDC, ILC LCIS, and DCIS.  They treated me based on the largest invasive tumor and that is the only one they oncotyped.

  • roseamy
    roseamy Member Posts: 29
    edited January 2011

    I had 1 tumour 5cm mixed ilc/idc her2+ pr+ er+.grade2

    I was 40 at dx having been misdiagnosed 4 years earlier age 36, still here age 43 and feeling great.

  • JFV
    JFV Member Posts: 795
    edited January 2011

    Hi-  I had ILC in one breast and IDC in the other.  Didn't know about the IDC until I had my double mastectomy.  If I hadn't had the double mast I think I would have been a women with a reccurence as the IDC was very small and had been biopsied as non-cancerous.  I have also had dose dense ACT and radiation. 

  • tinkertude
    tinkertude Member Posts: 2,047
    edited January 2011

    I was diagnosed with both  IDC and ILC. They didnt know this until I had my bilat, masect.and did the pathology. The biopsy got only the IDC, because they were piggy backing eachother so to speak. Actually worked out to be a good thing because it was 2 seperate tumors so that brought down the size . The IDC was 1.1 and the ILC was 6mm... I am being treated with TAMOXIFEN, both are er and pr positve and HER2 neg. Will need to ask my onc about the Tam and the ILC.

  • Neece
    Neece Member Posts: 270
    edited January 2011

    yes I had 4 tumours, ILC, also IDC and DCIS. Had mastectomy, chemo in 2009 and now on tamoxifen as estrogen positive.

  • LizM
    LizM Member Posts: 963
    edited January 2011

    Yep, I pretty much had chicken soup in my breast.  My tumor consisted of IDC, ILC, DCIS and LCIS - was also ER/PR ++ her2 neg.  Had a bi-lateral and my good breast showed atypical lobular hyperplasia so probably would have cooked up the same thing with time.  Had the full course of treatment, bi-lateral w/reconstruction, chemo, rads, oophorectomy and will complete five years of anti-estrogen therapy in July (Femara). 

  • shells43
    shells43 Member Posts: 1,022
    edited January 2011

    Hi Ladies,

    I'm waiting on MRI results from my remaining breast. From the location they did the magnified mammo and ultrasound, I'm guessing I might have a spot of ILC. It is small and located nearly up where my port was removed (in October :\ ), sort of where the bra strap starts at the top of the cup, that area. I'm pretty sure it can't be ductal given the location. Anyone have experience with what would happen if this does turn out to be ILC and I've just finished chemo and rads for the other breast?

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited January 2011

    shelley: I had a second primary (IDC) diagnosed in the other breast 12 months after the first (ILC) - it was missed on my mammo the year before. I was still having herceptin treatments and had had chemo and rads. My surgeon and onc did suggest a BMX, but I didn't want one. I have had a lumpectomy again. I had my port removed after my final herceptin tx a couple of weeks after the breast surgery in late November. If only they ordered MRI's before surgery - all of this would have been taken care of a year ago. I am glad, in a way, that it wasn't found last year and I would surely have been talked into mastectomies. I'm a big sook and hate any kind of surgery. I'm having rads for the second one at the moment.

    If it does turn out to be a new primary, I guess it's up to you to decide what you want - the main thing is to get it out of there. I just want to give the hormone treatment a chance to work and not panic. IF (a big if) there is a next  time, I have no choice, but I am glad I have taken the conservative route for now.

    Sue

  • shells43
    shells43 Member Posts: 1,022
    edited January 2011
    Thanks for your reply Suepen. So it sounds like a lumpectomy + rads might be in order. I was wondering how something else could crop up so soon after chemo, and don't want to do chemo again. I just have enough hair now to feel human again! Hopefully it is nothing, but at least this time I will be more informed for sure. Thanks again.
  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited January 2011

    Shelley - if you want a lumpectomy, they should agree to it. That, of course, if it is anything sinister. The surgeon did suggest genetic counselling owing to the bilateral issue, but that can wait. My surgeon listened to my reasons for not wanting BMX and was happy to go along with it. She actually did 2 lumpectomies to get all 3 spots (I had 2 areas of ADH as well as the IDC) - that was really nice of her.

    Sue

  • negirly
    negirly Member Posts: 318
    edited January 2011

    I too had IDC, ILC and DCIS all in one breast.  Hormone and HER2 positive. 

    Does anyone know if we maybe started as IDC and it spread to ILC or thoughts on why this happens?

    Karyn

  • shells43
    shells43 Member Posts: 1,022
    edited January 2011

    Ok, well get this. Finally got the MR report which recommends a biopsy, but the nurse read the report to me and it says "NO enhancement of 5 mm suspicious area see on US 12/30/10". The nurse thinks the recommendation for a biopsy is a case of CYA by the radiologist. Opinions? I thought MRI was supposed to be definitive?

  • suzieq60
    suzieq60 Member Posts: 6,059
    edited January 2011

    Shelley - If the MRI didn't show any enhancement, then sounds like it's nothing. I've heard of false positives but not false negatives on MRI. Wait and see what your surgeon says.

    Sue

  • shells43
    shells43 Member Posts: 1,022
    edited January 2011

    That's what I was thinking, Sue. I will see the surgeon on Friday to look at the images. I feel much better now.:)

  • nwest125
    nwest125 Member Posts: 240
    edited March 2011

    I started out with IDC and had a lumectomy and they had to go back in to get clear margins and found ILC right on the edge. I thank God everyday for sending those doctors back in to find the second one that didnt show up on my MRI

  • vlnrph
    vlnrph Member Posts: 1,632
    edited May 2011

    "Bumping" this thread because I have both. Can't figure out how to update the diagnosis description listed below. MRI found an 8mm grade 1 IDC lesion with tubular features in the typical upper outer quadrant on 3-28 after mammogram/ultrasound detected the ILC in what my plastic surgeon called 'no man's land' (upper inner quadrant: hard to do a nice lumpectomy there I guess). Neither was palpable.

    Now in recovery from right mastectomy with DIEP done April 26 however micromets were found in the sentinel node so had to go back into surgery for axillary dissection last Friday. Awaiting pathology report and anticipating a summer of chemotherapy.

    Having trouble finding reliable literature or references regarding incidence and optimal treatment for this dual condition. Feedback welcome!

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