Weekly vs. tri-weekly Herceptin
Just wondering how many people have weekly Herceptin vs. every three weeks. I know this is a couple of months down the line for me, as I just began DD AC, but once I've done DD TH, my onc said I'd be on weekly Herceptin. Seems like I see a lot more ladies doing the every three weeks regimen. Anyone know what the benefits/drawbacks would be to either of the regimens? Also, I sometimes see HER2+, HER2++, HER2+++. Is there a difference in each of these designations?
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The different plus signs after her2 relate to how strongly positive you were for this, I was highly pos so would have three 3+
I began at weekly infusions but switched to three weekly as my hospital was two hours from me and it became far too much of a hassle to go weekly:)
Tricia x
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The different plus signs after her2 relate to how strongly positive you were for this, I was highly pos so would have three 3+
I began at weekly infusions but switched to three weekly as my hospital was two hours from me and it became far too much of a hassle to go weekly:)
Tricia x
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Hi Julie!
I did TCH for 6 rounds, (I started on 1/19/10 and ended on 5/3/10) followed by a mastectomy,and 33 treatments of daily radiation. I continued with the weekly Herceptin until the end of my radiation treatments (8/9/10), and then went to the every 3 week schedule, and I just had my last Herceptin infusion on 1/18/11. It has been a long year, but in my opinion the Herceptin (both weekly and every 3 weeks is very doable)! Please feel free to contact me if you have any questions - I'm also a fellow SC girl!
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I was on weekly while doing taxol, then my onc switched me to every 3 weeks, but if for some reason I wanted to stay on weekly I could have. The weekly infusion is 30 min., and every 3 weeks is 90 minutes. Some prefer the shorter infusions, I prefer not to have to go every week. other than that, I don't think there is any difference.
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Thanks for all the responses. It's good to know that there isn't much difference other than the length of the infusion. And good to know that they can be done simultaneously with the radiation, since that's in my future for the summer. What a year . . .
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Anyone have just Taxol + Herceptin? Without DD AC first? Any pointers greatly appreciated.
Thanks, Sam (writing for my wife)
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49 years old, premenopausal, IDC and DCIS present, no family history
12/28/10 Excised tumor 1.5x1.0x0.9 cm, clean margins
Grade: Histologic 2, Nuclear 2, Mitotic 1, Overall grade 1(2+2+1=5)
Sentinel Nodes: 0/3
ER+ (60%), PR+ (86%), HER2+ (eqv by IHC, ratio 2.8 by FISH)
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I have talked to my onc about weekly Herceptin vs. every 3 weeks and here is what he said. His experience is that women have more complaints of heart palpitations when it is given every 3 weeks versus every week. So he said the way he likes to do it is every week during chemo, then check the MUGA (heart scan) again. If the MUGA score is good, then you can try going to every 3 weeks but if the heart palpitations are bothersome or if the MUGA score drops (it is done every 3 months) then you would go back to weekly. I have one chemo left and then if everything looks OK I think I will try the every 3 weeks Herceptin. My onc's office is only about 10 minutes from my house so it is not terribly inconvenient but I would just prefer to go less often!
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Thanks, jsw19. That's exactly the type of information I was wondering about.
Sam: Check out the December or January chemo discussion boards. There are a number of women who do just the T/H regimen. It seems to be more easily tolerated than the A/C (which is what I'm starting with).
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Sorry, I forgot to say I also had weekly infusions with taxol but as my heart echo's were okay I then swtiched to herceptin alone three weekly.
Sam this is a new protocol I think (since I was dx five years ago) as the a/c plus herceptin can be tough on the heart.
Tricia x
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jsw19--that's interesting to hear. I specifically asked my onc and 2 of my nurses if there was any difference between the 2 and they all said no. I have had a decrease in heart function(but not necessarily heart palpitations), and am taking a bp med that has helped, but never was it mentioned that maybe I should switch to the weekly herceptin. My onc is a highly respected professor, so I trust him, but it is always interesting to find out what other oncs are saying. There seems to be differences on many subjects! Which is why these message boards are so helpful!
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This is going to sound a little cynical, but here goes! If you get it weekly, they make a lot more money off of you! If you ever saw the breakdown of the treatment and charges, it really adds up. Just the set-up and initial hour of IV infusion at my center is around $500, not including the drugs or anything else. Of course, the insurance reimbursement agreed upon is about half of that, but it's still pretty good money. Or, maybe I'm wrong. I did the 3 week schedule, and I'm still on Herceptin. If you had some kind of cardiac issue, I could understand doing weekly, but if you don't have any problems, then 3 weeks is much easier. If you're getting it with chemo, and doing weekly chemo, then it makes sense to just do it weekly, since it would only take 1/2 hour to infuse as opposed to 1 1/2 hours every 3 weeks, and switch to 3 weeks when chemo is done. When I was initially diagnosed, the plan was to do DD Taxol every 2 week with Herceptin every week, but my onc changed that to Taxol every 3 weeks with Herceptin.
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mthomp2020 - You could be on to something there. I too am doing the weekly Hercerptin and will switch to every 3 weeks after chemo is done. I asked my onc and he said they did it that way because that is how it was done in the trials and when he sees studies showing it is just as effective to do it every three weeks from the start he will do it that way. For all I know there are studies out there showing it is just as effective and he hasn't seen them yet.
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I will be getting my Herceptin weekly for a year. I've had 3 treatments of AC at every 3 weeks apart, one more to go and then I am onto Taxol for 4 treatments at 3 weeks apart. Apparently I won't be given any with my Taxol. Anyway that is what is scheduled for me, but I guess that could change.
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I did taxol weekly X12 and they started the herceptin with the first taxol and did it every 3 weeks for a year. They did and echocardiogram before I started and one every 3 months to check on heart function. No problems. I am now 2 years NED. Annette
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The first four herceptin infusions I did every 3 weeks. The first week after the infusion I was wiped. I just begin to feel well at the time I'm to have the next infusion. After the first two infusions my EF dropped 15% at 50. I began taking C0q10 which helped, and asked them to slow down the infusions. I also have developed strong heart palpitations, and am extremely fatigued. So...I asked my oncologist if it would help if I did weekly infusions. She thought it could help so now I'm scheduled for one every week. I prefer the 3 wk infusions due to the time it takes out of my week. But, if it helps me feel better and helps my heart to get back to normal it's worth it. It might be the only way for me to continue the infusions.
Today I will have my first of the weekly infusions, my fifth. It will be interesting to see how I feel afterwards. I figured it's going to cost more but I'm about caught up on my co-pays to where the rest of the year is covered by my insurance.
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Good luck with the weekly infusions. I did 52 weekly and, while it was a pain going every week, I found it a breeze compared with the AC. I hope this helps with your fatigue and palpitations.
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