Nervous Wreck

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  • Gitane
    Gitane Member Posts: 1,885
    edited January 2011

    (((((Nancy)))))

    It is very, very hard Nancy.  The effects are cumulative and our poor bodies have never been treated like this.  Ask the oncologists office what you can do to feel better.  I wish I had ideas, here, but I don't.  Just lots of caring and Giant Hugs.  G.

  • momand2kids
    momand2kids Member Posts: 1,508
    edited January 2011

    (((Nancy))))

    I can remember feeling exhausted at the end of AC--but the truth is, each day you will feel better and better---- it does take time--I so hope this resolves for you quickly---- I did not have taxol, but I heard from so many that it is much easier to take.... You are halfway there........ we are thinking good thoughts for you

  • IllinoisNancy
    IllinoisNancy Member Posts: 722
    edited January 2011

    Hi Friends,

    I hope that this AC/neulasta side effect ends soon.  I have to start Taxatere next week followed by the "N" shot.  I see my BS on Thursday and I'm so hoping that she decides to do surgery now and forget the next chemo.  I don't even know if that would be her call.  My oncologist may get upset if she did.  You know I feel like he abandoned me anyway.  He went somewhere tropical for two weeks during the holidays and left me with Physicians Assistants.  I'm not sure how much they know about BC.  I always feel like I do all the talking and they don't really answer any of my questions.  I am just so ready to move on to the surgery part of this trip.  I really appreciate your guidance through these rough tiimes.  I have given up on trying to work....I'm lucky to get dressed.  I was so weak this morning that I had to let the bathwater out before I could even get out.  I am in worse shape than ever.  Thanks for listening and caring.

    Love you,

    Nancy

  • IllinoisNancy
    IllinoisNancy Member Posts: 722
    edited January 2011

    Hi,

    Well, I saw my BS today and asked if I could skip the second half of chemo since my ILC responded so well to the A/C.  She agreed that everything was looking good but still wants me to get the rest of the chemo which starts next Wednesday.  We have a tentative date for my surgery which is April 6th.  She said she will need about 4 hours and so will the PS so it looks like an 8 hour affair. Is that a normal length of time for surgery?   I think I feel better seeing the finish line even though it is still in the distance.  I appreciate you checking in on me.  

    Take care,

    Nancy

  • karen1956
    karen1956 Member Posts: 6,503
    edited January 2011

    Nancy...what type recon?  I don't remember how long my surgery was, a few  hours, but it was bilatt with expanders, so not as "complicated" as some types of recon.  Hugs

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2011

    Nancy - Just wanted you to know I'm thinking about you. Hope you're feeling better today. Hang in there, hon.

  • IllinoisNancy
    IllinoisNancy Member Posts: 722
    edited January 2011

    Hi Friends,

    I have been researching my next chemo, Taxotere, and I must say it scares me to death.  I read the website that makes the drug and it says women die from getting it and some get leukemia.  I don't know why I have to get anymore chemo.  My tumors are all gone on my skin and so they know the AC worked.  I just want to move on to surgery and put all this behind me.  I also have been wondering if you know of anyone who received treatments and then stopped going to doctors for checkups.  I so want to stop worrying about cancer.  I figure after I get my double masectomy, chemo, already did rads 4 years ago, did 4 years of Tamoxifen, etc.  I have done it all.  I don't want to worry about scans and MRI's and Mammograms.  I want to live and love life again.  Would it be so bad to not get professionally checked unless I get symptoms?  I would love to hear your opinions because you are the only ones that know how I feel. 

    Thank you,

    Nancy

  • Gitane
    Gitane Member Posts: 1,885
    edited January 2011

    I asked my oncologist that very question.  I had read that catching it early didn't matter.  He said that there is a lot of controversy about that, and oncologists differ in how they approach this with patients.  I have read here on this board about how different follow up schedules are followed.  I see my oncologist every 6 months.  In my case I began taking Zometa, Celebrex, Lipitor (because the Femara made my lipids go wacky) and vitamin D as a result of these follow up appointments.  I have tumor markers checked, but I tell him I don't want to know the results unless it would lead to a treatment that would help.  I get Dexa scans to check on my bone density due to the Femara.  I don't have any other kinds of scans, and my oncologist agrees that they aren't necessary unless I have symptoms.  I don't have any breasts so no mammograms or MRI's.  I also see my PS once a year since I have saline implants.  

    As to the chemo question, I have no input that would help.  I don't know if more chemo helps or not.  The studies say yes, but there is no way to know for an individual.

    I hear you about the SE's of chemo.  I read the leukemia information when I was taking Adriamycin, too.  It's such good news that the AC cleared up the cancer, and I think you should take heart with that information.  The end of treatment will come, and you will be able to put this behind you.  Hugs and more hugs.  G. 

  • toomuch
    toomuch Member Posts: 901
    edited January 2011

    Nancy,

    I hate to hear the dispair in your post. I'm sorry that you feel so discouraged. I can't speak to the side effects of Taxotere but I wanted to mention that the only way to know for sure that your tumors are entirely cleared up is after surgery based on the path report. Maybe you can speak to your oncologist and surgeon about having surgery next and then based on the report decide whether to go forward with the Taxotere. Many women have neoadjuvent chemo and post surgery chemo so maybe this will work for you too. Hopefully, some others who have had Taxotere will be along to encourage you.

     I hear you about wanting to live life normally again. I think that is something that we all strive for. The follow-up you receive after treatment should be something that you are comfortable with. However, try to remember that this time you recurred and had no symptoms and because you had follow-up and a great PS you are able to be treated at an early stage and after treatment you will be able to live life!

    Also, since your tumor is still estrogen positive, I would be surprised if your oncologist doesn't want you to be treated with an AI after you finish chemotherapy. That's for down the road. Remember...baby steps. It will get better! Hugs.

  • wallycat
    wallycat Member Posts: 3,227
    edited January 2011

    I wish I had something concrete to add, but I am just sending virtual hugs.

    I am a worrier and so started thinking the same as you....can I just sit and wait and see....

    I even emailed my oncologist asking if 4 years of antihormonals was enough and if I can just be done with this unless I have symptoms but he has not emailed back.  I see a new onco in the area I just moved to and will ask her the same question.  

    I hear the concern in your posts and I echo them...drugs = side effects. Yes, sometimes they are necessary and not taking them is not wise, but how do we weigh this all out and still have quality of life.

    I hate cancer.  I hate everything about it.

    Best to you  (((((((((((((((Nancy)))))))))))))))))))))))

  • texasdonna
    texasdonna Member Posts: 36
    edited January 2011

    Nancy, I'm sending positive energy and prayers your way. I haven't done chemo, so I can't speak to what you're going through except to identify with the ptsd. It's like you're in the middle of a huge battle right now, going through a very tough, traumatic ordeal and you're doing so great just to be courageous enough to write about it and verbalize your frustration and anger. That's a huge part of healing, so don't feel bad about doing it and don't feel guilty about how your family might react to what you're saying on this site. This is your forum for getting things off your chest and you utilize it like a champion. I'm new here and I've already learned so much from you, so Thank You! And give yourself a hug from all of us on here. I agree wholeheartedly with some of the other ladies, that you caught this recurrence early by the dilligence of your doc who didn't like the way your breast tissue looked even though all the tests came out clear. Ignorance is bliss only for a little while. You'll have good quality of life again, but for now try to just get through today. And please know that for some of us, you're the best "I Hate Cancer!" spokesperson we know.

  • IllinoisNancy
    IllinoisNancy Member Posts: 722
    edited January 2011

    Hi Ladies,

    I had my first Taxotere today and so far I feel great.  I know all that can change quickly after I get my Neulasta shot tomorrow.  My oncologist was very happy with my tumors or lact there of but insists that I complete my chemo/Neulasta plan.  He said he would rather give me strong meds and sleeping pills and basically keep me in la la land than to skip the shot.  So he prescriped Morphine, Oxycodone and I still have my Vicodin.  He said try the Oxycodone along with either Aleve or Tylenol first but if it doesn't work swith to the Morphine.  It comes in a big bottle and I'm supposed to mix it with applesause.  I would love to feel like I do tonight all the time. 

    I hope all of you had a good day too!

    Love,

    Nancy

  • lauri
    lauri Member Posts: 267
    edited January 2011

    If Taxotere is like Taxol (they're cousin drugs) you'll feel FANTASTIC for the rest of the evening ...and want to sleep all day tomorrow.  I think it's the extra steroids.

    I loved Taxol (well, compared to A/C) -- I used to stop in to see my work buddies on the way home from chemo I felt so good. 

    And soon ... no mo' chemo !

  • Gitane
    Gitane Member Posts: 1,885
    edited January 2011

    Thinking of you Nancy.  Hope the treatments aren't getting you down.  Take VERY good care of yourself.  G.

  • karen1956
    karen1956 Member Posts: 6,503
    edited January 2011

    Nancy....me three....I agree with G and Sherri......Wishing you an easy time through Tx and do what you need to do to take care of yourself....(((((((((((((((((((HUGS)))))))))))))))

  • IllinoisNancy
    IllinoisNancy Member Posts: 722
    edited January 2011

    OMG.. i have been miserable since Saturday.  This is worse than the first kind.  I can't handle this...morphine, oxycodone, vicodin..nothing helps.  i ready to quit:(

  • suzfive
    suzfive Member Posts: 456
    edited January 2011

    Hi Nancy,

     I have not been on BCO in a while so just now seeing your story. I am so sorry you are going through all of this. I had dd AC and Taxol in 2005. I had very little symptoms of the Neulasta with the AC but after my first Taxol - the pain, especially in my legs was awful - Vicodin did not touch it. I called my onc in tears (and I have a high pain tolerance) ready to quit too. They ordered me something stronger for the pain and then switched me from Neulasta to Neupogen for the rest of my treatments. The pain took several days to finally go away - even with the stronger pain meds. The Neupogen did help, the pain was not nearly as severe, the only drawback was I had to go to the hospital daily for the shots - can't remember now but maybe for three or four days after the Taxol infusion. You might want to ask if you can do this. Hope you get relief from the pain soon!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2011

    Nancy - I am thinking about you. Has your day gotten ANY better. Hugs to you, dear. I hope you check in with us again soon.

  • Gitane
    Gitane Member Posts: 1,885
    edited January 2011

    Nancy,  I think suzfive's information is helpful.  Maybe the oncologist can prescribe Neupogen and a more effective pain regime.  I wish I knew something more to help.  When our body is full of these drugs we are so weak.  I'm sorry you are enduring this and hope you get some relief very soon.  (((((Nancy)))))

  • MissTW
    MissTW Member Posts: 98
    edited January 2011

    Dear Nancy,

    I am a recent stage 1, ILC breast cancer survivor. My oncotype score was 22 and I will not have chemo. My doctor said I will only benefit from Tamoxifen.

    The reason why I am writing you is to tell you I had Neulasta shots  twice every month for 6 months after battling stage 3 colon cancer a few years ago.

    I had no problems with Neulasta at all. Hang in there! I will be thinking of you and keeping you in my prayers.

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited January 2011

    Nancy, I'm sorry you're having a hard time. I'm praying things will get easier for you. I'm hoping you Dr was able to give you something for the pain.

  • MaureenA
    MaureenA Member Posts: 39
    edited January 2011

    Nancy, Sending many cyber (((hugs))) your way and hoping you have been able to get some relief from your pain. 

  • Gitane
    Gitane Member Posts: 1,885
    edited January 2011

    Thinking of you.  (((((Nancy)))))

  • IllinoisNancy
    IllinoisNancy Member Posts: 722
    edited January 2011

    Hi Friends,

    I'm feeling pretty good again and dreading next week.  My biggest problem lately is fatigue.  I don't seem to have my strength back this time.  I am going to ask my onc if I can try the Neupogen instead of Neulasta this time. It can't be any worse.  I've been reading a lot about Taxotere and it's a toss up if my bad se's are from the Neulasta or the chemo. I'm hoping that they don't get worse with each treatment because I have 3 left....yikes!  Thanks for all you kind support.  I love all of you and hope you're having a good day.

    Take care,

    Nancy

  • HensonChi
    HensonChi Member Posts: 357
    edited January 2011

    Hi,

    I did TCH (taxotere)  My problem was that my red blood cell count dropped about 3 into the chemo and so I was very weak.  Other than that it was the Neulasta shot that did me in for a few days after every chemo.  But it was doable.  I am here still 2 years later. ( :D

  • Gitane
    Gitane Member Posts: 1,885
    edited January 2011

    Hi Nancy,  Thanks for checking in.  I've been thinking of you.  I know it is harder each time to recover, and we just need to take care of ourselves while we are so weak and vulnerable.  Fingers crossed that the oncologist can make this easier in some way for you.  We are all with you, crowded room again next week I guess.  Then there will be only 2 to go.  Almost finished.  Sending love.  G. 

  • IllinoisNancy
    IllinoisNancy Member Posts: 722
    edited January 2011

    Hi,

    I woke up feeling ok today so I got dressed and planned on going to work.  Since I got ready all I do is cry.  What is wrong with me.  I'm sitting here just crying and I don't know why.  I mean I'm worried about my future but no more than any other day.  Why am I so depressed?  Is this a se of chemo?  I take Effexor and have for 4 years so I don't understand why the tears keep flowing.

    Thanks,

    Nancy

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2011

    Nancy -Thinking of you, is there anything I can do? I live in Kendall County.  PM if you'd like me to help out, meeting or caring for you.....xoxoxo sister!

  • Gitane
    Gitane Member Posts: 1,885
    edited January 2011

    YES!  It is a side effect of the chemo, the anti-nausea drugs, and above all the pre-treatment steroids.  When we come off those each time we just crash emotionally.  I cried, too, lots.  Everyone's body is affected differently.  I tend to have very strong reactions to any drug.  Even foods affect me more.  I guess it's how my liver enzymes work or something.  There is no telling how each person will do with these treatments.  That's why we must communicate to the doctors what we're experiencing so they can help.  It's so perceptive of you to know when it's not just the circumstances that are driving the emotions.  I really hated being so out of control. I hope you are getting the help you need with all of this.  There is no such thing as too much TLC.

  • AnacortesGirl
    AnacortesGirl Member Posts: 1,758
    edited January 2011

    Nancy,

    I had no issues with the neupogen shots.  I gave them to myself.  They are applied the same way as an insulin shot.  I was very, very nervous about it in the beginning but there was no way I was going to go in for a shot 6 days a week for 3 months.  So my SIL (who's an RN) was there the first day and she showed me what to do and watched me.  I also discovered that I had certain spots on my belly that were numb (I think it had to do with the stretch marks from 2 pregnancies) and so I would try to find those with the tip of the needle.  Once you are through the skin there is no feeling.  Then I could slowly push the plunger so I wouldn't feel any pain.  Never had any SEs.  I'm a advocate for going this route.

    I hope you are feeling better today. 

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