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  • floralgal
    floralgal Member Posts: 69
    edited February 2011

    Same here, lassie11.  Have never seen a gun except for on a police officer. I haven't weighed in on the gun discussion, cuz I'm very anti-gun (not a popular stance among many of my fellow Americans : )

  • Ang7
    Ang7 Member Posts: 1,261
    edited January 2011

    floralgal~

    I have to say my thoughts go along with yours. 

    We had a friend who died from some kids playing with guns.  This seems to have shaped my opinion of them...

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited January 2011

    I am thinking that most people would probably have a hard time actually using a gun on a person.  I know I would.

    It must be difficult to have 50 states and keep up with the laws that each has.  But now I know why there is a big billboard in one of the southern states we pass through on the way to Florida  Georgia?) warning people that semi automatics are illegal there. 

  • karen333
    karen333 Member Posts: 3,697
    edited January 2011

    I too, am very antigun.  I hope this tragedy in Tuscon does not tip the scales in favor of more lenient gun laws.  I see no reason for the sale of automatic weapons, would only be comfortable with the guns used  for hunting.

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited January 2011

    I copied the para below from Huffpo.

    Arizona Republicans remain adamant that the shooting will not dissuade them from pushing their pro-gun agenda.

    They want new laws allowing college and university faculty members to be able to carry concealed weapons on campus, an issue that gained attention after the 2007 shooting at Virginia Tech University. Only Utah has a law allowing concealed weapons on college campuses while 24 states have bans, according to the National Conference of State Legislatures.

  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited January 2011

    That is what they make gun safes for. To protect innocents and prevent thieves from stealing guns.

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited January 2011

    Guns:   We have been robbed twice.  Both times we were not home.  In most instances robbers will watch a house to make sure they do not run into the owners. I am a very good shot, but I would never shoot to kill. I would fire a weapon to protect my family but if it just me at home, I would rather die than be responsible for the death of another.

    Health Care: The bill is up for repeal in the House of Representatives on Wednesday.  I just bumped my thread on the details of the bill.  Those interested it is posted under "Insurance and Other Financial Issues."  If one has an opinion one should call one's Congressional Representative.  If you do not know who your Congressman is here is a link.

    http://www.house.gov/zip/ZIP2Rep.html

  • floralgal
    floralgal Member Posts: 69
    edited February 2011

    karen333--I agree with your last sentence....

    Another poll.....this one on gun control:

    "....Overall, 47 percent of Americans think gun control laws should be stricter (up from 40 percent last April), 36 percent say they should be kept as they are, and 12 percent would like to see less strict laws.

    Thirty-eight percent of the poll's respondents who said there was a firearm in their household were self-identified independents, 35 percent were Republicans and just 21 percent were Democrats. Gun owners were significantly more satisfied with the nation's current gun control laws than were those who didn't own a gun. Gun owners were also more likely than those without to say stricter gun laws would not have prevented the shootings."

    http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2011/01/11/poll-finds-growing-support-for-stronger-gun-control/?scp=4&sq=gun%20control&st=cse

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited January 2011

    Stricter gun laws in AZ probably wouldn't have prevented the shooting.  Even with a more detailed and exhaustive background check, they still wouldn't have found anything on Loughner.  I do think the extended magazines should be outlawed as well as semi-automatic weapons.

    Bren

  • GG27
    GG27 Member Posts: 2,128
    edited January 2011

    The only time I have shot a gun is when I was a teenager & went hunting with my dad.  Hunting was popular where we lived.  I took shots at grouse (never even came close) the only thing I ever shot was tin cans at the dump. 

    I have to admit that guns scare me, when we were travelling by motorcycle in southern California a few years ago, we had a group of kids  who were trying to play cat & mouse with us on the freeway, going 70mph, DH got angry & was going to brake hard & then I said to him about everyone having guns down here.  We deeked off an exit at the last second & luckily lost them.  I don't think I could live like that.

  • IronJawedBCAngel
    IronJawedBCAngel Member Posts: 470
    edited January 2011

    I have never fired a gun, and have no intentions of learning.  I firmly believe that I would be one of those people who would shoot myself in the foot, or would have the gun taken away from me and used against myself.  To each his own.  However, I am pretty darned good with a baseball bat, a pitch fork or a lunge whip when defending myself. I have no problem with hunting rifles.  I just do not think that the average citizen has any reason to own assault weapons with capability of mass destruction.  Anyone see SNL the other night?  Our forefathers vision of the "right to bear arms" did not include what we have on the market today.

    http://www.nbc.com/saturday-night-live/video/update-constitutional-corner/1270098/

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited January 2011

    Iron -- I saw that!  Takes a little while to load a musket, doesn't it?!!!

  • Medigal
    Medigal Member Posts: 1,412
    edited January 2011

    notself:  If you truly believe what you wrote that you would rather die than be responsible for the death of another person, I have no idea what you are doing owning a gun.  I don't know how to shoot or own a gun but I would think it would be fruitless to have one if you are not able or willing to take another life "if" circumstances put you in that position.    I think in the military one can be a "consiencious objector" but we regular folks when faced by a crimminal don't always have time to wave the red  or white flag and become pacifists at the last minute.  I saw "you" are putting yourself in more danger owning a gun no matter how great you can shoot it, if you truly believe what you posted.  The robber may not feel the same as you about taking "your" life to protect his own.  How is he to know you have no intention of using it on him?   I'm sure soldiers at war may not want to shoot the enemy but that's why those guys don't belong in the war and they put them someplace else. 

  • floralgal
    floralgal Member Posts: 69
    edited February 2011

    Ironjawedbcangel--I didn't see the SNL show--just watched your clip--pretty funny.

    I did catch Jon Stewart weighing in (and obviously, I'm now weighing in) Wink

    Hope this doesn't get deleted.  lol!

     http://www.thedailyshow.com/watch/wed-january-12-2011/battle-of-the-bans

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited January 2011

    Floral .. I got a kick out of the Stewart link!  Loved his take on "Thou shalt not kill."

    It was amazing that gun sales in AZ jumped 65% this week.  Unbelievable. 

    IronJaw .. I watched the SNL clip.  Too true about if the founding fathers were here today!

    Bren

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2011

    Apparently the Arizona shooter should not have been able to purchase that gun under current gun laws.  There were enough institutions, including the Army that flagged him as a potential danger.  had any of those institutions reported this guy to the correct place, he would not have been allowed to purchase because he wouldn't have passed the background check. 

    Maybe instead of wasting time and money trying to pass a more stringent gun law, how about concentrating on enforcing the laws we have now? 

    Maybe we could start with an awareness campaign for those institutions and people in postions of authority to let them know how, and to whom they should report someone who should be flagged for further investigation in a background check to purchase a gun? 

    Passing more laws does nothing if they are not going to be enforced any more consistently than the ones that are currently on the books. 

  • floralgal
    floralgal Member Posts: 69
    edited February 2011

    Good point, Patmom, re: we need to enforce the laws we have now!

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2011
    mfrog, I'm afraid of motorcycles.  Surprised
  • AnneW
    AnneW Member Posts: 4,050
    edited January 2011

    Guns. I shot marksman with a .38 when I was in the Air Force. Don't think I've touched a handgun since.

    Intruders. We had to buy a 12 gauge shotgun after our last intruder broke in 3 times. He was about 300 pounds and furry. Knew how to break into the kitchen and steal the ice cream out of the fridge and peanut butter off the counter. Glad he didn't find the honey jar. And he didn't clean up after himself. It's the price way pay for living in the mountains. But a big bang and a butt full of rubber buckshot is pretty good bear deterent. He has since steered clear of us.

  • molly52
    molly52 Member Posts: 389
    edited January 2011

    Awwwwww!  Anne - the poor guy was hungry - and he obviously had good taste- ice cream and peanut butter - mmmmmmmm!

  • molly52
    molly52 Member Posts: 389
    edited January 2011

    If any robbers came into my house, my kitty would scare him off.   She would run to him to get some chin scratches.

  • iodine
    iodine Member Posts: 4,289
    edited January 2011

    I have to say, I would go for a shotgun before a pistol any day.  Who can be calm enough to take aim if life and limb are at stake. 

     Then, being no bible scholar, butI'm pretty sure the Big 10 says : shalt not "murder'--really no different outcome, but the reason is different. (ok, I'm laughing). and last, I totally agree with no automatic weapons.  Just kill more people faster.  Not my idea of protection.  Or even hunting or target practice.  funny, I never had to qualify in the Air Force, we didn't even carry one.

    Personally, I think ammo should be limited and taxed to the hilt.  Two pieces of ID and a wait period.  And whatever else they can come up with.

  • ananda8
    ananda8 Member Posts: 2,755
    edited January 2011

    Medigal,

    When my husband was in Vietnam, I had decided I would never use the gun unless a robber were to actually turn the door knob of my bedroom and then only to wound, not kill.  Was I at risk? In that neighborhood I was but the idea of point blank killing someone and living with that was more than I could imagine.  I no longer own the .45. 

    There has never been a time since then that I considered using a gun for defense and I have lived in rougher neighborhoods than that.  I lived alone for two years when my husband and I had jobs in different cities.  I didn't even have a gun in my apartment. 

    My husband received a handgun by will from his grandfather and that gun is under lock and key in a safe.  I have no intention of ever using a gun and neither does my husband.  He keeps it because of his memories of his grandfather. 

    I agree with you that having a loaded gun around the house is a great danger.  That is why ours is locked up.  Of course being locked up and unloaded, it is more of a lump of steel than a weapon and that is fine with us.  Anyone who owns a gun should always have it locked up if there are children around.  If it is under lock and key, then what's the use of it?

    I now leave the guns to "a well ordered militia", aka, the police.

  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited January 2011

    I also think that assault/semi-automatic and automatic weapons should not be sold. And I am with Bren...give me a nice shotgun anyday and whatever intruder comes around won't stay around!

  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited January 2011

    Hey Rocky, I was thinking about you this morning and you showed up!

  • IronJawedBCAngel
    IronJawedBCAngel Member Posts: 470
    edited January 2011

    S-q-u-i--r--r--e--l!!!   :)

    Not sure about other states, but Kentucky is very lax on gun show laws.  Have a friend who owns a reloading business, and as much as he is very pro-gun, he has said himself that while he screens anyone that buys anything from him, the same is not true for most selling used weapons, and that almost anyone can make a purchase at a gun show.  Last summer, we had someone in our neighborhood selling guns at a yard sale. So, perhaps making the ammunition difficult to get would be the best answer.

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited January 2011

    My ex bought most of his weapons at a pawn shop and through second party owners.  We had crates and crates of ammunition in the garage, along with a couple of illegal Mac-9's, various handguns, AK-47's, etc..  Who the hell needs all those weapons and ammo?  He was crazy in my opinion, but I guess he was just a collector.

    Bren

  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited January 2011

    Oh Bren, a crazy ex with automatic weapons? Hopefully your divorce was amicable.

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited January 2011

    Not so amicable .. ha!  I moved to another state, packed up the dogs and hightailed it out of there!  What's even worse is that crazy guy was a lawyer!

    Bren

  • rosemary-b
    rosemary-b Member Posts: 2,006
    edited January 2011

    We have  no gun in our house because my DH and I both believe that if you shoot at an intruder you'd better kill him, Otherwise if you wound him and don't incapacitate him you will just make him mad. I am not ready to kill another human being period

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