I say yes, you say no, OR People are Strange

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  • kadeeb
    kadeeb Member Posts: 305
    edited January 2011

    PatMom - good example and the catholics are not alone in changing their minds about rules.

    I know less about the catholic church than most subjects (not so much applause, please) but I thing the non marriage thingey had to do with priests being "married to the church" therefore: marriage to another would be against the rules. 

  • kadeeb
    kadeeb Member Posts: 305
    edited January 2011

    "Looking for someone to blame" ---  sounds like a normal person to me!  Isn't that what the majority of people have done with this tragedy? 

  • Alpal
    Alpal Member Posts: 1,785
    edited January 2011

    How ironic that this victim is involuntarily committed and the shooter was able to fly under the radar. Sad, sad, sad.

  • kadeeb
    kadeeb Member Posts: 305
    edited January 2011

    PatMom may have been right, they weren't looking then, and now they're jumping on every june bug that flies by.

    BTW Medigal, I was in a little grocery store here in the North of the South yesterday, rounded a corner and what to my wondering eyes should appear, but a big old jar of "Pickled Pigs Feet". I didn't check the price but I thought of you! 

  • Alpal
    Alpal Member Posts: 1,785
    edited January 2011

    Glad I'm not in Tucson.... LOL

  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited January 2011

    Classic case of Monday Morning Quarterbacking.

  • Alpal
    Alpal Member Posts: 1,785
    edited January 2011

    Back to the old Freedom of Speech argument! Did he mean "You're dead" as a threat? Blah, blah, blah! Maybe he was on the edge before the shooting and that just unhinged him. Maybe he's a normal guy and just really mad about the whole thing. Why blame the Tea Party? Lots and lots of unanswered questions. Meanwhile, he's locked up awaiting an evaluation.

  • Medigal
    Medigal Member Posts: 1,412
    edited January 2011
    Kadeeb:  That's how I always wanted to be remembered by:  "A jar of pickled pigs feet!"  Don't forget the "tails" if you ever run into any.Smile  Seriously, it just shows "some people" still like and buy them or that store would not be selling them.  You are so lucky to live wherever that is!
  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited January 2011

    Alpal .. I think freedom of speech is a good thing, but this poor man took the tea party guys picture with his phone and said, "You're dead."  I guess the authorities thought that was a threat.  It's a shame he has to have all those evaluations as he's probably still in shock from the shooting.

    Medigal .. I don't want to eat any piggy's tails either! I do like my bacon though and pork chops. And my favorite is Carolina pulled pork bbq.

    Bren

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited January 2011

    So...it's all speculation of course, but my reading of the fellow in Tucson echoes Alpal's:  he was shot, he was angry, he was frustrated, and he made a gesture (a gesture!) and said "You're dead".  The fact that he did it in a public place in front of witnesses is the difference.  What about a wife in her own home in a fit of intense anger (and hyperbole!) yelling at her husband and saying "I'm so mad about what you did that I want to kill you"?

    I'm sure there's more to the story, but if I had just been in the crossfire of a mentally unstable man and had been shot in the leg in a public place, I'd be bloody angry too!  And maybe the whole episode would have left me a little mentally unstable too...

    As for pickled pig's feet -- I just can't help thinking about Babe or the poor little pig in Charlotte's Web.  Aaawwwwwww................

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited January 2011

    Oops, Bren - posting at the same time!  I forgot that he took a picture on his cellphone.  That would definitely "seem" like a threat...although it could also be seen as a gesture of intimidation.

  • Medigal
    Medigal Member Posts: 1,412
    edited January 2011

    Lindasa:   Do you eat fried chicken?  Do you think about the famous "Henny Penny" who spent her life running around telling everyone "the sky is falling"?  Aaawwwwwww, poor whittle chickie and we sit around eating all her ancestors every day.   Fried, baked, stewed etc.  Besides, I made sure the piggies feet and tails I ate didn't belong to Babe or the one in Charlotte's Web.   But.........until I become a Vegan, they are at risk!

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited January 2011

    Linda .. I think he was trying to be intimidating as well, rather than a real threat to kill the guy.  Perhaps he believes the tea party gunsights had something to do with the shooting.  Who really knows.  Nobody is talking and the shooter is claiming the fifth.

    Bren

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited January 2011

    Medigal -- I thought Henny Penny was stupid! and I don't have any fond memories or fairy tales or movies of/about pet chickens.  There's a reason for the term "birdbrain" and it sems to fit chickens quite well!  Pigs, on the other hand, are determined to be the smartest brains in the stable and they've gotten such a bad rap over the years.  They wallow in mud to keep themselves clean and tic-free, and I've heard that if they are kept in a pen, they will only defecate in one corner.  I wouldn't want one as a pet, however!

    So yes, I eat chicken, I cook chicken, I can live with the way a plucked and cleaned chicken can look like a naked chicken.  I can also eat bacon (not much), salami (again, not much!), pork tenderloin and roast pork shoulder -- all because none of it looks like the body from whence it came!  Silly, I know, but that's just me!

  • AnnNYC
    AnnNYC Member Posts: 4,484
    edited January 2011

    I may be way off base here, but what popped into my head when Mr. Fuller (the Tucson shooting victim) took the cell-phone pic and said "You're dead" was that he was trying to show how fast it could happen with the current gun laws!  The Tea Party representative was in the middle of saying how "now is not the time" to talk about changing gun laws to be more restrictive...

    You know, a graphic demonstration of how quickly you're dead when someone with a gun decides to pull the trigger...

    But if that's what he meant, obviously it wasn't clear. Anyway, I hope the mental health professionals, wherever Mr. Fuller has been sent, are helpful to him and he gets released soon.

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited January 2011

    Yep .. maybe Mr. Fuller was making a point.  Did you see the interview on T.V. about the young man who was carrying a gun at the Safeway and almost pulled it out and shot the wrong guy.  The young man was very shaken up about that.  He saw one of the survivors holding Loughner's gun, and in a split second decided against pulling out his own gun.  He was so upset thinking that he could have shot an innocent man mistaking him for the killer.

  • Medigal
    Medigal Member Posts: 1,412
    edited January 2011

    Lindassa:  I disagree with you about calling chickens "birdbrain".  I have some really fond memories of the ones who were my pets.  As for Henny Penny.....it was supposed to be a silly tale to read to the kids.  It wasn't supposed to  be  "War and Peace"!  Yes, I know pigs are given a bad rap but they fulfil a great use by providing delicious foods for us and that is their purpose in life, imo.  I never had a pig as a pet.   Now if you will check the posts, I think you will see I am not prolonging the talk about our pigs but if one of you kids me (I "hope" you are just kiddding) about what I ate, I felt I had to respond.  However, I think, after your post, it is time to call an end to my eating habits before it turns into a problem for the thread.  This was not my intention. 

    Bren:  I didn't see the interview on TV about the youngman you are referring to but that is one of the reasons I think I fear people randomly carrying guns.  An innocent person could always be killed by an overzealous person like this young man who may only have intended to do good. 

    Have a nice Sunday, Ladies.

  • crazy4carrots
    crazy4carrots Member Posts: 5,324
    edited January 2011

    Medigal -- Of course we're kidding!  In fact, if pickled pigs feet were available here in the GWN, I might be tempted to try them, on your recommendation, and only if I'd consumed at least a bottle of wine first!  If I can eat escargot (slimy snails) and really enjoy them, I'm sure I could do the same with pickled pigs feet -- as long as garlic was included in the pickling!

    Hoping you're having a nice (and warm!) Sunday too!   The sun may be shining here but the thermometer reads 17F.  Brrrr!

    Hugs!

  • Bren-2007
    Bren-2007 Member Posts: 6,241
    edited January 2011

    Just got off the phone with my son .. it's 78 degrees in San Diego and the sun is shining.  I'm so jealous of their weather!  It's a heat wave here in VA with temps about 46-48 degrees!   argghhh.  I sure miss he weather in my old home town.

    Bren

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2011

    I saw the interview where he said he went running toward the shots when he heard them inside the store.  When I saw him interviewed he never said he almost pulled out his gun.  He said that the shooter was down, therefore helped keep him down.  He said he didn't want to cause more "collateral" damage.

    AZ Massacre Hero Educates Geraldo on What a Responsible Gun Owner Does In a Crisis  

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nUmmOWL05r8

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    Here, the way I understood it, he would have shot Loughner if he needed to. But, they already had him down.

    Joe Zamudio: "I would have shot the man holding the gun."

     http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=K_p-PVwZeek


     

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2011

    BTW, this young man is a responsible person who carries a gun.  He doesn't want his right to carry a gun taken away from him.

  • Medigal
    Medigal Member Posts: 1,412
    edited January 2011
    BTW, did anyone hear the MSNBC news program Friday where they mentioned someone in the Congress seriously wants to introduce a measure allowing congressmen to carry a gun on the House floor?  It was Rep. Gohmert of Texas and it seems he was serious!  Gosh, if they disagree on a Bill they can now start shooting at each other!Smile  Of course that is not what they really want it for but for protection.  It seems the Arizona killings really put a serious concern on them wherever they have to be.   I can't see it ever happening but just to think it has come to be this much of a concern for the reps is scary.  It could be Dodge City in Washington!
  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited January 2011

    Medigal, I like the idea of them blowing each others' heads off instead of blowing hot air. Kidding.

  • Medigal
    Medigal Member Posts: 1,412
    edited January 2011
    Barbara:  Wow!  You should delete that post!  Never know who's watching in these crazy times. I am glad to see you added "kidding".  That should take 50 years off your sentence!Wink 
  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited January 2011

    Wow, Med, never thought about that. Sheesh. DHS should be beating my door down any minute now. Just the way I need to start me week. GAAACCK!

  • Medigal
    Medigal Member Posts: 1,412
    edited January 2011
    Barbara:  Don't fear.  Once they read this thread and see what some of us "eat" they may feel you already paid your pentence by just being a part of this thread and won't touch you.  You know you always have me and my little piggies to fight for you too!  Besides, I think the Feds have enough problems without having to fool with bc women who befriend people who eat "pickled pigs feet"! You're safe gal.  Have no fear "Medigal and her piggies are here!"Wink
  • Marple
    Marple Member Posts: 19,143
    edited January 2011

    I've got back ribs in the oven.  I don't know if I'll have the heart to eat 'em now.  Although the maple syrup/garlic glaze might help.  Yummmm, I'll bet that glaze would go well with brussel sprouts.

  • pip57
    pip57 Member Posts: 12,401
    edited January 2011

    I also saw an interview with the man from the store.  

    He definitely did say that he immediately thought about pulling his gun out and shooting the person he saw with the gun.  Even when he saw the shooter on the ground he briefly wondered if the other person was a second shooter.  Of course this was all happening in seconds.  But that is all it would take to react...the wrong way. Thank goodness he paused, but he was still quite shaken about how close he came to shooting an innocent person.

  • worldwatcher
    worldwatcher Member Posts: 205
    edited January 2011

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  • BarbaraA
    BarbaraA Member Posts: 7,378
    edited January 2011

    I totally agree PIP but do we yank the ability to have guns and carry with training? The vast majority of people are just like him..and US!!

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