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  • juli0212
    juli0212 Member Posts: 1,415
    edited January 2011

    EastCoastGirl:  Thank you for posting your newest levels, and congrats to you~!  Sorry about the anemia though, go figure!  (And MORE blood-letting always helps.......not!   lol)  Good for you on having a hamburger (I do once a week or so, just for the iron).  Hope your continued dose of 5,000ius of D3 helps you, that's now what I take and I retest in a couple weeks.  KUDOS!  ~juli

  • EastCoastGrl
    EastCoastGrl Member Posts: 282
    edited January 2011

    Thanks and you are so welcome!! I was told to take 2,000 daily but decided to do the 5,000 after reading here and am glad I did. I want those levels up!!

    Good luck to you on your next test. I hope they are up where you need them to be. :)

  • juli0212
    juli0212 Member Posts: 1,415
    edited January 2011

    Yeah, I was told by my (now-fired) endocrinologist that 1,000ius a day was MORE than plenty.  Well, we all know differently.  Docs are WAY behind the times, seems WE are more informed than they are.  I don't think my levels will be too far up yet, I have parathyroid issues that affect vitamin d as well, so we need a BIG jump, but a slow jump it is.  Thank you...all my best to you, I saw your post as well on the tamoxifen thread...you've got lots going on as well...you rock girl!

    ~juli

  • JanetinVirginia
    JanetinVirginia Member Posts: 1,516
    edited January 2011

    East Coast - that's a GREAT improvement over short period of time!  Are you taking a multi-vitamin with minerals?  I take Centrum Multivitamin/Multimineral.  That's one source of iron (plus iodine, etc) but you're right.  Getting it from food is best.  I think canned peaches are supposed to be really high in iron too. 

  • DesignerMom
    DesignerMom Member Posts: 1,464
    edited January 2011

    notself-  Actually there is a way of checking if you are iodine deficient (also puts us at higher risk for bc). It is called a 24 hour urine loading test.  For anyone interested, there are several doctors who are researching iodine and bc.  Any women who have had bc qualify for a free iodine test.  You can find out about it on breastcancerchoices.org.  I just ordered mine, should arrive tomorrow.  There is much evidence that most of us are iodine deficient.  I know I stopped using iodized salt ages ago as I use sea salt for cooking. Women in Japan have a much lower BC rate.  They think it is because they eat lots of seaweed which is rich in iodine.

    Thanks to all of you ladies for the wealth of information on vitamin D.  Only after requesting to test my D level my Onc said "I'm sure it's low, 85% of women are".  My level was 16!  She put me on those little green 50,000 iu pills.  I just started taking D3 and will be retested later this month.

  • x-raygirl
    x-raygirl Member Posts: 373
    edited January 2011

    DesignerMom ~ I pushed my onc to test mine and twice results were <4 (I thought it was a typo at first).  My PCP said it's ok because my D3 was ok.  Argh!!   Going to see a naturopath today and hopefully she will help me out.  It's frustrating that my drs aren't more helpful.  ~ Daiva

  • Makratz
    Makratz Member Posts: 12,678
    edited January 2011

    Designermom, Could ou post a link for the iodine test kit that you are having sent to you?  I would like to get one too but could not find the info.

    Thanks so much!

  • ICanDoThis
    ICanDoThis Member Posts: 1,473
    edited January 2011

    Ginger -

    My first Vitamin D test result was 7, so I feel for you. I can tell you some of the changes that you may experience as your Vitamin D level goes up -

    You will have more energy, and the world will not seem quite as grey. When my D levels got over 20, I felt as though I had recovered from a case of long-term flu.

    Then we went to Hawaii, and my D levels jumped 10 points in a week - lots of snorkeling, being out on the water, volcano-climbing, walking along volcanic beaches, and sun, sun, sun. I was careful and didn't get burned, but I browned nicely. And I felt good!

    Now, I take 2000 m of D3 a day, and get 10-15 minutes of tanning bed three-four times a week. And I'm normal. (You can't do this during chemo - but you might want to walk outside and get some real sun on your body).

    And we (my endocrinologist and I) have gotten my levels over 40. And my bones have stopped going away, right on the edge of osteoporosis - we've actually got my spine back to osteopenia. But my arms and legs - well, let's just say I'm really scared to fall.

    Another thing that you might want to look into (f you are taking a good (NOT Centrum or One-A-Day) multi-vitamin, you are likely to have this covered) is to make sure that you are getting Magnesium and Vitamin K2 daily. These are the other big vitamins that you need for building and maintaining bone. And of course, you need to be getting some form of calcium, I get mine primarily from yogurt and cheese, but I do supplement occasionally.

    Having a D level that low can also pull your parathyroid hormone levels out of whack. I had low D, high blood calcium, and high parathyroid levels. Was on the edge of doing parathyroid scans, but in 3 months of D supplementation, parathyroid went back to normal.

    Talk to your doctor about taking any additional supplements during chemo.

    Good luck - remember that most women with BC do survive, although it's not a fun time.

     Hugs

    Sue

  • JanetinVirginia
    JanetinVirginia Member Posts: 1,516
    edited January 2011

    Hi Sue - what brand multivitamin/multimineral do you use?  I thought Centrum was supposed to be good???

  • ICanDoThis
    ICanDoThis Member Posts: 1,473
    edited January 2011

    I based this information on a Consumer Reports review that I read a few years ago when I started dealing with bone health issues. Basically, the deal is that you want the vitamins and minerals to be absorbable, and of good quality. So they compared what the bottle said you were getting, with an actual analysis of pills from a bottle bought off the shelf.

    What they say is, for an inexpensive general multi-vitamin - the best bang for the buck is Costco's Kirkland brand.

    If you want to spend a little more, several of the small specialty brands like Pilgrim Pride are quite good. If you have a friend who's totally into health food, ask them where they get their vitamins. Personally, I like HSN's Andrew Lessman brand (how embarassing, admitting I buy from cable shopping shows, but), but his daily vitamin package contains good levels of everything, includes a fish oil and a vitamin E pill, and the ingredients are ground and put into swallowable  capsule, so your body doesn't have to try to digest a whole big compressed pill to get at the goody within.  I'm sure there are others who follow the same manufacturing process, I just found this one first. [I also like that it's manufactured in the US, and that his facility is powered by solar.]

    I hope this helps - I'm trying not to turn into a crazy lady, but as a librarian/researcher/writer, I do read this sort of information, and some of it sticks.

    Sue

  • motherofpatient
    motherofpatient Member Posts: 240
    edited January 2011

    As to Vit D levels, Dr Oz - do you watch his TV program - says everyone should take at least 1,000IU  per day. Daughter's onco told her to take same and will double if levels aren't high enough in a month. The range the doc cited was 32 to 100 and that seems like a wide latitude so getting a bit higher than 40 would seem to be a good thing.Maybe midway, like 60 or 70.

    Other info can be found at Doctors Guide to the Internet - just sign in as guest; medline.com, or go to the Mayo clinic or other large research university site and do a search for BC and Vit D. Hope it helps.

    I did hear that gel caps desolve faster.

  • Lowrider54
    Lowrider54 Member Posts: 2,721
    edited January 2011

    Happy New Year D3 Gals! 

    Still on the 2000 a day plus calcium, magnesium and zinc - ran blood work and we shall see the results at the 21st onc visit to see if I need any additional with it being winter and I am in the land of the frozen northern midwest. 

    I saw someone speak about the gel caps being soy...don't want soy - are all the gels soy?  I will have to do some more 'bottle reading'...LOL

    Hugs...LowRider

  • DesignerMom
    DesignerMom Member Posts: 1,464
    edited January 2011

    For anyone wanting to know about iodine deficiency and breast cancer the breastcancerchoices.org site is very informative.  They do offer to reimburse you for the iodine loading test (which is discounted for participants).  If you order the test through Dr. Flecha's office (he is one of the pioneers in iodine therapy), he will then give a free 15 minute phone consultation when the lab results are done.  Here is the link to the page for the test http://breastcancerchoices.org/loading.html   Sorry, my link thing doesn't seem to work, you will have to copy and paste.  There is also a great thread in the alternative forum called Iodine, thyroid, and breast cancer??

    Okay, I have a question.  Is there more than one bloodtest for Vitamin D?  Some of you are talking about your Vitamin D3 level or your Vitamin D2 level.  Do I need to ask for a particular lab test?  I thought D3 and D2 were just different forms of supplementation, D3 being the most effective.

    For anyone trying to avoid soy, which seems to be in so many D supplements, I bought Vitamin D3 by Jarrow Formulas at Whole Foods.  It uses olive oil.  It was also one of the least expensive.  I got 1,000 iu x 100 for about $10.  They also have 5,000iu for a bit more.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2011

    LowRider, that was me.  I re-ordered my Vit D3.  Was on chewable 1000 iu's and figured it might be nice to up to the 2000 gel caps.  Didn't read the bottle until they arrived and soy was right at the top for the gel caps.  So I sent them back and got the chewables again.  (from Puritan's Pride).

    Wondering if they are okay because even though they say NO artificial flavor, preservatives, milk, lactose, soy, gluten, wheat, yeast, fish and are sodium free, the OTHER ingredients are sucrose, sorbitol, fructose, xylitol,  and vegetable cellulose.  There are some miniscule ingredients as well. 

  • Makratz
    Makratz Member Posts: 12,678
    edited January 2011

    Thanks Designermom.  Love your shoes!

  • ToriGirl
    ToriGirl Member Posts: 1,188
    edited January 2011

    Hello all... 

    Just now trying to figure our the whole Vitamin D thing.  Are you all taking magnesium with your Vitamin D?  If I start taking Vitamind D3 (2000IUD) daily to raise my count, how much magnesium do I need to be taking?  

    My vitamin D was tested before chemo and it was 30...so was thinking at starting with 2000 IUD daily to start. 

    I was told no supplements during chemo (last one tomorrow-woot woot!),so I'm ready to start adding in the things that I need to from here on out....Do I need to incorporate calcium as well?  How soon after chemo can I start taking this?  I am slowly reading through this thread, but not finding the information too quickly, so would appreciate any feedback.  

    Thanks!

    peace and prayers,

    Tori

    DE COLORES! 

  • EastCoastGrl
    EastCoastGrl Member Posts: 282
    edited January 2011

    I researched to find a brand of Vitamin D that doesn't use soy and some other oils that can go "rancid" which is not good either. I ordered from Iherb.com and got "Country Life" brand Vitamin D3. They contain "medium chain triglycerides" which is the same as coconut oil. It has a fairly long shelf life and you don't have to worry too much about it going rancid. Must be good because my levels went from 17 to 37.5 in less then 3 months on it. (5,000 a day)

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited January 2011

    So I asked my new Onc. about vitamin D. She doesn't seem to think much about it causing cancer. Her befief is just take a multi vitamin and it will cover me. I asked her to check it with the blood test, will see if she did when the results come back.

  • Resting
    Resting Member Posts: 215
    edited January 2011

    Kira1234,

       It was my endocrinologist that tested my vit. D, not sure my oncologist would have done so. You need to know have it tested before you can begin to know how much you need.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited January 2011

    My onc does blood work each visit (currently every 6 months) so I just ask him to include Vit D levels in the report.  Don't see why they wouldn't if they are taking blood anyway.  (altho I guess it depends on your insurance also)

  • kira1234
    kira1234 Member Posts: 3,091
    edited January 2011

    ECT does your insurance cover an endocrinologist? Right now all I have is the Onc and the BS. I am thinking I really should be looking into someone who can help me with my diet ect.

  • Maureen813
    Maureen813 Member Posts: 2,893
    edited January 2011

    I found a Vitamin D spray, 1000IU/spray.  I spray 2X per day= 200IU then a multi vit = 2400IU/day.  My d was less than 4, he'll be testing again in Feb.  I asked if he'd write a script to a cruise in Thaiti to bring my D level up but he just laughed...no sense of humor :)

  • Resting
    Resting Member Posts: 215
    edited January 2011

       Yes Kira1234 - my insurance does cover it but I have a high deductible.

       And I agree with patoo, just ask your oncologist to include a vit D check the next time they do your labs. Even though my endocrinologist was the one who asked me to check it the onco. had no trouble ordering the test for me. I  just asked him to add it to my routine lab work, said why should I have to get stuck twice? He agreed. They sent the results to the endo. and he's the one who told me what mgs to take. Oh all of this is Vit D3 by the way.

  • Valgal
    Valgal Member Posts: 247
    edited January 2011

    Dear East Coast Girl

    I noticed you said you were anemic. Try getting some organic raisins (Trader Joes are good and not too expensive) they are very high in iron. I like to put them into my oatmeal - they get juicy and plump when warm and if you  throw a little cinnamon in...Smile it can be like eating a warm oatmeal cookie.

  • Blundin2005
    Blundin2005 Member Posts: 1,167
    edited January 2011

    I'll try again.  My post from my iPad didn't work.  
     
     
    I think that this was worth posting.  
     
    Best wishes to all as always,
    Marilyn 
  • EastCoastGrl
    EastCoastGrl Member Posts: 282
    edited January 2011

    Thank you Valgal :) I don't like raisins very much but will do what I need to do. :) I will go by Trader Joes and pick some up. I had no idea they were such a good source of iron. I think I will throw them in a spinach salad several times a week. 

    Thanks again :)

  • EastCoastGrl
    EastCoastGrl Member Posts: 282
    edited January 2011

    Hey Valgal, just noticed your post was from January 12th! Sorry, not sure how I missed it.

  • Valgal
    Valgal Member Posts: 247
    edited January 2011

    hi East coast !

    I was beginning to think I was all alone out here LOL Yes, raisins are great for iron -maybe you should try the blonde ones, slightly different flavor. I send them to my nieces in college because they are borderline anemic (vegetarian's without much knowledge). I also make them trail mix with all organic non-soy stuff (seeds,cereal,dried banana chips, or yogurt raisins are good!). Or make oatmeal chocolate chip cookies (with raisins).

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