Chemo starting in December 2010

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  • nolaa
    nolaa Member Posts: 76
    edited December 2010

    I don't remember who recommended the haircut party with the kids, but thank you!!  We did it yesterday with my 2 and 3 year old and it was a grand success.  They kind of freaked out when I left one day with long hair and came back from the salon with short hair.  So this time we wanted them to be involved.  We got a cake and candles, had them help cut, made a mohawk, and then shaved that off too.  At the end we lit candles and sang "Happy haircut to you..."  The 3 year old even announced that he liked the new haircut.  It really made such a huge difference for them to see and be involved.  So thank you, thank you!

  • ShelMel
    ShelMel Member Posts: 207
    edited December 2010

    Awww - nolaa - I'm so glad the haircut party worked for you guys. That was me who had a haircut buzz party. I've got 3 kids (14, 11 & 4) and it really helped them, too.

    It sounds like you had a BIG party!! I love it!! :)

    I read somewhere that kids imaginations work overtime and fear the worst if you don't include them on what's going on. I don't want my kids to fear what's happening, so that's why I try to keep them in the loop. I know some people may disagree with it, but it's working for my family. My 4-year-old daughter even watches while I get blood drawn, etc. 

    I'm so glad that this worked for you and your kids!!!! I love how you made it even more of an event than I did! :) 

    So - - how do you feel now???? 

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2010

    hdangelbaby - I used Claritin D, the kind you have to sign for at the pharmacy counter. I was never in any pain, just really exhausted.

    I insisted on Emend for my second round of AC which will be Thursday, 12/30. I was pretty nauseaous the first time. My insurance denied Emend in IV form. I purchased the oral Emend to take with me to my treatment. It cost $48 through my insurance. Boy, was I surprised when I discovered it was for only 3 pills.

    I've also been battling the possibility of either having LE or my port is cutting off the flow of lymph on my good side.  My left hand is twice the size of my right.  My arm is a good 1.5 inches larger in circumference than the right side and my armpit is so swollen.  I had BS on my right side.  Christmas, I was in pain until I took some relafin, then the swelling went down considerably.  In fact, I felt the best since prior my first treatment!  Tomorrow, I'm going in to get it checked out.

    I went in to Joann Fabrics and purchased material to make scarves and turbans.  My hair hurts but it hasn't started to fall out.  I think the idea of my eyebrows and eyelashes falling out is more upsetting than the hair issue, for me.  I hope my head isn't funny looking when the hairs gone...  you know bumpy, or pointy, or maybe it'll have scars I never knew I had.  I had waist length hair but have already cut it short.  Wednesday, will be day 14, so I was thinking of buzzing it.

    It is so comforting to know that I have you all here to talk and share this awful experience, Thank-you!

  • EricaH
    EricaH Member Posts: 41
    edited December 2010

    Yikes - just cut it all off!  My head is freezing... and I live in Florida!!

  • hdangelbaby
    hdangelbaby Member Posts: 731
    edited December 2010

    well, the hair on my head is now in ICU  on life support. I will be pulling the plug on it either tonight or tomorrow. after a couple glasses of wine, it will be Rest In Peace, beautiful long hair, you served me well, but now you must go, you will be missed, but will be looking forward to your return by summer!

  • imatthew
    imatthew Member Posts: 206
    edited December 2010

    hi all, my wife is having her 2nd TCH treatment on Wednesday, yesterday she cracked a tooth.  We have calls in to both the Oncologist and the dentist.  Is there anything she ought to know before heading in for dental work?  Thanks!

  • prayersareanswered
    prayersareanswered Member Posts: 40
    edited December 2010

    Well I had my first TAC on Dec 21, and althpugh I managed to take an almost 40mn walk on day 2,went to my kids xmas party at school on day 3, today is the first day I can think of as being almost normal. Christmas eve and Christmas day were horrible. I was in pain (muscle and bone) although I didtake the claritin. I was completely exhausted. My poor kids had to see me like this, while opening their gifts from Santa. I did not think it was going to be this tough. fatigue and muscle pain were the worst.

    I admire you all for having more energy, being more upbeat...God bless you

  • bambi380
    bambi380 Member Posts: 44
    edited December 2010

    Here is hoping everyone had a wonderful Christmas with family and friends. As for me, I am finally able to hold my head up and feel something like myself. After getting TAC December 20 I had 2 1/2 AWFUL days. But if that is all which comes my way I feel blessed!

    BambiSmile

  • nolaa
    nolaa Member Posts: 76
    edited December 2010

    ShelMel - keep all of your great kids ideas coming.  I'll keep stealing them!  Feeling okay.  The little stubble it a bit uncomfortable, especially when I lay down, but another 25% came off today in the shower, so even the stubble will be gone in a few days.  People say I look like Sinead O'Connor.  Probably because I'm freakishly white like her too!

    Just like EricaH - my head is freezing!  Time for fleece hats!  At least until the stubble is gone.  Or until the hot flashes start.  Anyone having those yet?  I'll know in a few days if my period is already gone or if I'll have to wait another cycle.  My left ovary was really hurting last week though.   

  • TonLee
    TonLee Member Posts: 2,626
    edited December 2010

    If cancer wants my hair, it has to fight me for it.

    I don't mind the mess....plus I may keep a few wisps (when pulled from under the wig make it look more authentic.)

  • ShelMel
    ShelMel Member Posts: 207
    edited December 2010

    pasofino222 - you really need to go get your arm checked out. I was told that lymphdema can occur any time - even years after our lymph node removals. I hope that's not what's happening to you. Sending you special prayers.

    imatthew - I don't know of anything special but I would definitely let the dentist know that your wife is taking chemo and give him the name and phone number of her oncologist. They may need to speak to one another before she's given any medication, etc. I hope it all goes well!!! 

     prayersareanswered - I'm glad you're feeling better. It does get better - before you have to go in again. It's not easy staying upbeat and positive, that's what we're all here for - so we can vent and cry and we all understand. 

    bambi - I'm so glad you're feeling better, too!! :) 

    noola - I'm down to fuzz on my head now, with a little bit of stubble in a few areas. My scalp still hurts. I wear a soft cap around the house and even sleep in it. It's easier than wearing a scarf and less painful than a wig. LOL 

    We've been knocking around famous bald girl names, too - Sinead O'Connor, Britney Spears, Demi Moore  - I'd love to look like Demi. :) 

    TonLee -  Ha!! I don't blame ya, hon. 

    hdangelbaby - Good attitude! Did you get it off yet?? 

  • msjag
    msjag Member Posts: 416
    edited December 2010

    Ok....everyone..need help..I seem to have the same cycle as the first tx....can't sleep at all during the day...not even nap...then take ativan, 2  pills, .05 mg each to sleep at night..I only sleep two to three hours at a time...get up...then try it again. til morning..then no sleep...chemo is T/C. any suggestions for sleeping?  I'm eating oatmeal, peanutbutter and bread, applesauce, and protien drinks the first few days.  I need to nap, but just can't fall asleep. 

    Hope everyone is doing well.  I having 2nd tx  on 12/23 was too close to x-mas, never really got to relax...hope I'm not whining...just read about so many of you who sleep/nap and it feels like those steriods never leave me.  Onc even had me take less this treatment.

    Hugs to all. 

    JoAnn

  • hdangelbaby
    hdangelbaby Member Posts: 731
    edited December 2010

    Shelmel, yes, we did the deed last night! I rocked a mohawk till today till even those hairs were shedding everywhere, so we just, and i mean just buzzed the rest of it off!

    msjag, sorry you are feeling so yucky. but to be honest, that is exactly how I felt my first two rounds and that's exactly what i ate for the first 4 days of each  cycle! it will get better!!!

  • joystars
    joystars Member Posts: 95
    edited December 2010

    It breaks my heart to read that some of you didn't have a good Christmas as wanted... stupid cancer! To all of you, I keep you in my thoughts, this too shall pass.

    I should consider myself lucky to live here in Norway, as I said, I had my baby not long ago and even tho she was a preemie the attention we got from the hospital was amazing. The health care system here is just beyond the best.

    Started my FEC chemo last Wednesday, my main concern was that I could be bothered by nausea for Christmas but onco reassured us he was sending me the best of the best of medication, he didn't lie: Emend, Medrol, Ondansetron and Afipran. Hubby and I went to the pharmacy to get all this and what a big surprise we had when he didn't pay for it. Not one cent!
    I've been reading that some of you have struggle to get this medication paid by the insurance :/ I'm blessed to have them for free thru all my treatment.

    The chemo session itself was ok, I was more nervous and anxious than anything and it turned out to be less crazy, scary and horrible as I thought it could be. The three days after chemo went really good. I had no nausea at all just some sort of diziness and fatigue, tho this last one not quite sure if it was due to the chemo or having a newborn at home waking up every three hours to have some food :) I feel blessed it was this way! My mom and dad are visiting from Mexico, staying at a friend's place and coming over every now and then to help around hubby and me with grocery shopping, feeding the baby and taking care of other errands. I just keep my fingers crossed it keeps this way for the next rounds.... one done, just 5 more to go.

    Tomorrow I'm planning on to go with hubby and try some wigs....at the onco office I got a "vaucher" for one free wig that can be purchased at special saloons. Not sure what to think about this. Will see how it goes... I'm so NOT ready to this, even tho I've been thinking about the baldness since months ago I just can get used to the idea of loosing my hair :(

  • joystars
    joystars Member Posts: 95
    edited December 2010
    By the way hdangelbaby your previous comment about the hair...made me smile. thanks for posting it, that's the attitude I like (and hope) to achieve! :)
  • Lawleigh
    Lawleigh Member Posts: 56
    edited December 2010

    Hello all December gals-

    Msjag - I can sympathize with the steroids and they seem to stick around through the 5th day or so.  You and I are on the same schedule although I am AC.  The only difference this time was even though I did not sleep at night I was not wiped out during the day.  It sounds like that is not your case I am so sorry.

    Well today is hair shaving day.  I have the wigs and wore one for Christmas and actually went to work for a few hours today with it.  I don't want anyone to see me though as they look so phony to me.  The mess is driving me nuts though (Ton Lee I wish I had your patience).  It is day 21 though so I suppose the time has come.  My husband bought me some cute turbans today and I had ordered hat hair as well as the wigs.  I have spent more on my vanity then I probably should but this is the toughest part for me.  You would think I have great hair or something...but not so, just the average stuff.

    I hope everyone is doing well and paying attention to the SE's so that you don't just put up with them.  These doctors are getting so much better at keeping us better that we better keep them accountable to it.

    Take Care

    Leigh

  • TonLee
    TonLee Member Posts: 2,626
    edited December 2010

    Leigh,

    The only reason I can tolerate not shaving...my scalp is really tender and the thought of clippers makes me cringe...but I wear a cotton like skull cap (from Wal-Mart) all the time for warmth, so when my hair comes out, the hat catches it and I lint roll it out.

    I love my hat hair.  I ordered the TLC one but it was so cheap and crappy I sent it back!!  So I ordered this one...

    http://www.bestwigoutlet.com/Hair-Pieces-Hat-Magic-LF.html

    This hair comes far enough into the front of the forehead that it covers the lack of "side burns.:"  It can be cut and styled to be shorter too.

    There is SO MUCH HAIR on it...I trimmed the bottom to be more blunt...and can wear a low pony tail, and in the back it goes up higher than on the sides...so nice because I can pull that part through a baseball cap at the rear....my favorite look is with a fur bucket hat.....I'm loving it!!  Looks so much like my real color and style (though longer).

    I will post pics some day...lol...maybe...my eyebrows are fading fast..

  • barbofel
    barbofel Member Posts: 3
    edited December 2010

    hi all- i  am 59 years old and was diagnosed with invasive ductal breast cancer on niv 23,2010. i have grade1, stage 1, estrogen receptor positive and no nodes.  inave an onca score of 22(medium range) which correlates to a 14% recurrence. one oncologoist says no chemo and another one suggests TC for 4 weeks. I just don't know what to do....any thoughts. thank you, barb

  • spartina
    spartina Member Posts: 68
    edited December 2010

    msjag-my onc suggested taking benadryl before sleep on the days that I took steriods.  I know they also give it as a sleep aid in hospitals. 

    I'm 7 days after my 2nd round today.  My onc prescribed Ativan for my nausea last week when the the Zofran and compazine were not working for me after my first treatment.  I am not nauseous all the time anymore but I am very tired and slow and sleep alot.  But as soon as 7 1/2 hours have passed that nausea comes back and is quickly alleviated  by the Ativan.

    Last week a friend cut my hair to about 1 1/2 inches short.  It is tufty and patchy now and when my husband gets home, we will shave it all off.   Funny, it was so achingly tramatic a week ago and today it is something that is a bearable consequence of killing cancer cells and getting well. I tell myself, the hair will grow back; my goal is to have the cancer not grow back.   

    Barbofel- did you have a lumpecomy? masectomy? will you be having radiation? 

  • dlcw
    dlcw Member Posts: 107
    edited December 2010

    Hi All - just checking in.  Had my second dose of the Gemcitibine/Carboplatin/PARP inhibitor on Monday.  SE's are so far pretty manageable but I find that I feel a bit out of it, sort of dull, for the 3 days I'm taking the compazine - anyone else have that issue?  I love the zofran and the ativan but the compazine is hard...don't want to sound like I'm complaining as it seems like so many of you are having a MUCH worse time with the AC/T and other regimens.  Makes me nervous as that's where I'm headed when the trial is done but I WANT those drugs too so will have to just get through it like all of you are doing. 

    Have my Neulasta on Thursday - first one - starting the Claritin today in the hopes of minimizing the pain.   Hope everyone is having as good a day as possible!  

    Donna

  • msjag
    msjag Member Posts: 416
    edited December 2010

    Leah and Spartina, thanks for the tips/info.  I never was offered zolfran, Donna, only have the emend two days later, capazine (actually the generic I believe) to take every 8 hours as needed. The ativan was prescipred for me to take at bed time to help with sleep, not during the day. I guess every onc is different, that's for sure.  I'm used to the scarves now, wear the wig once in a while, (snowy and cold in MA after the blizzard!!). 

    Thanks all for sharing your experiences/hair stories/kids stories.  I admire all of you going through this with young children.

  • meglove
    meglove Member Posts: 267
    edited December 2010

    Sisters, I need some advise about taking emend. How effective it is to prevent nausea, when did you take it? my onc suggests take one the day before chemo, then take 1 pills on day two or three after chemo.is that what you do? I heard emend is hard on liver, I am hesitate to take it. but this time my nausea is even worse with dd AC and I had my heavy period on day two of chemo. It is so hard. my heart beat would go up to 120 if I answer a phone call. but blood pressure is always good. Did you get a headache after taking emend? My vomit is always start with headache. so if emend causes headache, it would not help me, right? I am trying to get myself prepared for 3rd AC. Thanks.

  • dlcw
    dlcw Member Posts: 107
    edited December 2010

    Hi Meglove - I am taking the Emend for the day of chemo and 2 days after.  I've only done it once and my liver counts were fine, but it might be an issue the longer you use it.  I too have the headache but I was chalking that up the compazine....didn't realize it could also be emend.  My nurse practitioner at the onc's office told me I could take tylenol when the headache was bad - maybe you could ask about that?  It's helping me today.  She said even though it can mask fever I can have them for the first couple of days when the nausea is the worst.  I also cut back on the compazine and am trying only zofran every 8 hours but will take a compazine in between if I start to feel yucky. 

    The DD A/C sounds so hard - I'm glad you're halfway!!  Hope the third round is kinder.

    Donna

  • spartina
    spartina Member Posts: 68
    edited December 2010

    msjag-I was given the Ativan before my second treatment.  I had a hard time with Zolfran-gave me bad headaches and the compazine was ineffective for strong nausea.  I've been taking the Ativan for nausea since my treatment on the 21st and it's been terrific against nausea.  I take them every eight hours and I can tell you the nausea is like a wolf at the gate at 7.5 hours--it even wakes me up in the middle of the night.   The Ativan makes me very tired, slow and loopy but the nausea was many times worse.  I lost 10 lbs on an original weight of 110 lbs. I still don't have much of an appetite. 

    meglove--I take the Emmend the day of chemo an hour before the infusion. then the next two mornings with the steroid Dexamethasone. I have not gotten any headaches from Emmend.

  • nolaa
    nolaa Member Posts: 76
    edited December 2010

    dlcw - as far as I can tell, it's all of the nausea meds (zofran and compazine) that make me loopy, tired, and make me feel like a space cadet.  The Ativan just knocks me out (and makes me feel tired, loopy, and weak).  The worst for me is that I still have 4-5 days of nausea, even with emend, compazine, and zofran.  I can't imagine how bad it would be without them.  I tend to lose weight the first week then try and eat as much as I can the second week, but am still losing a few pounds each AC cylce.

    msjag - can you take fewer steroids?  Ask your onc to lower the dose?  I feel great on Day 2 bc of the steroids but then crash and burn for the three days following.   

  • hdangelbaby
    hdangelbaby Member Posts: 731
    edited December 2010

    i had emend the first round of AC, then because of cost, we did a larger dose in my IV on day 1, then tried kytril for the nausea over days 2-4. don't know... the headaches were way worse on the emend, but the nausea was worse this cycle. I don't know which is worse, the headaches were so bad the first cycle i couldn't control them even with painkillers. and those are hard on the stomach too. the kytril was friendlier on the head, but i felt like was playing catch up the entire first 4 days. i also was taking compazine with the kytril, and ativan at night. that's the only time i really didn't feel any nausea, was when i took the kytril and ativan together, ativan under my tongue.

    I do the same thing, eat hardly anything first week, then chow like the end of time is coming the second week. I lost four pounds the first cycle. my pants feel so loose, i bet i lost a few more on this cycle too. but i still have a week till my next one. so i have time to put a few pounds on this week!

    what's the verdict on weekly taxol? after 2 more rounds of AC, i have 12 weekly taxols. please someone tell me it's not so harsh on the stomach!!!

  • lme
    lme Member Posts: 1
    edited December 2010

    Hi Everybody! I'm new to this forum and just about everything breast cancer related. Haha! I am doing TC 4X, so I'm 1/4 the way done.Yay! Have had a mastectomy; no radiation needed. I have opted for reconstruction and must now wait until after chemo to complete the last stage.

    I had my first treatment Dec 22nd with the hopes that Christmas would be doable. The 25th is also my son's birthday, and this year it's his 16th. I had to be 'me' somehow. As for side effects, I have had no problem with nausea, during or after. I did have the Neulasta shot the day after, on the 23rd. The nurses recommended a Claritin (not Claritin-D) the day of the shot and the next 2-3 days. I took it Thursday thru Sunday. I don't know if it helped at all because the achiness in the bones still moved in by Friday evening. Most times, a couple of Tylenol XS took away the rest of the pain. Only one night I tossed a lot trying to get comfortable. I tried not to take any Tylenol during the day just to limit the use of it and save my liver, but it really helped me get a good night's rest if I took a couple before bed. Today I have had less pains throughout the day, but am just a bit achy this evening. I'm on the fence if I'll need the Tylenol. As for other symptoms, hopefully I'm lucky or doing a good job fighting them off for now. I use biotin toothpaste and mouthwash and sometimes a rinse of salt and baking soda with warm water. No mouth sores so maybe it's helping. I am also using fluoride on my teeth to prevent any deterioration. Nails are fine so far. Keeping them covered with some strengthening and care polish from Sally Hansen. I'm not sure if it will help long term, but so far so good. Hair hasn't started to noticeably fall out but I'm set with hats and a wig. Should be about Sunday or Monday I suppose. I don't notice any increased fatigue. I have been keeping busy with Christmas/Birthday stuff and other post holiday running around. I try to get out for a walk everyday, if the weather permits. Rain is coming for tomorrow, so I'll head to the mall. Shopping is great therapy! Maybe a new hat on sale. I drink lots of water and eat healthy: fresh fruit, veggies and protein. I hope all of this helps, At least this first round is doable. I hope the best for the days ahead. And for all of you too.

    It's great to meet you all, though better circumstances would have been nice. I'm so glad to have you all to help me through these weeks ahead, and I hope I can help back.  

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2010

    Thanks all again for the advice I was given when I thought I had hit the bottom.  After two days, docs finally found that I have two blood clots in my left arm (the port side - I sound like a boat)which was caused by the port.  One clot was in the auxillary and the other in the basilic vein.  I get a shot of a blood thinner every day this week in the stomach and was also prescribed warfarin.  I'm feeling much better, just in time for another AC treatment on Thursday. 

    What SE are there when using Emend? 

  • joystars
    joystars Member Posts: 95
    edited December 2010
    meglove and pasofino, I had Emend for my first round of chemo last week. I'm happy I don't pay for it (thanks National health care system), cuz seems to be super expensive.
    I took one pill the first day an hour before the treatment and the other two ones the following two days with no side effects. No headaches at all, perhaps only some hiccups and tiredness (that's pointed to be a SE on the brochure) and the reason for no SE it could be because of the other medication I've been prescribed. The days after chemo I did perfectly good, I ate perfectly fine (divided my meals in 6 small ones along the day as it worked when I was pregnant).
    Onco recommended Emend as it seems to be the top one to avoid chemo nausea SE, unlike the other medications, this one blocks the vomiting signals from the brain.

    Yesterday perhaps has been the only day I felt "bad" just a bit dizzy, like if I had a good shot of tequila or whisky after a loooong period of being sober. Took a paracet and that worked.

  • bambi380
    bambi380 Member Posts: 44
    edited December 2010

    I had heard the steriods caused sleep disturbances. Not in this house. I have slept better than ever. I suspect it has something to do with making up my mind to retire from teaching in the city. There went a bunch of stress and with that came better sleep! :)

    My head is now shaved and I feel strange that I have adapted so well. Just goes to show you hair is way overrated! :)

    Yesterday was the 8th day after TAC and I felt great! It was the first day food tasted good and I ate like ME. :)

    Here is hoping everyone is gaining ground on the "beast"!

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