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  • fightinhrd123
    fightinhrd123 Member Posts: 633
    edited December 2010

    Maybe we should have a node pos board!  I dont know what stage I was because I had chemo before surgery and a complete response, but I know I had positive nodes before chemo.

  • InTwoPlaces
    InTwoPlaces Member Posts: 354
    edited December 2010

    Fightinhrd123,

    I think that's an excellent suggestion! I have found myself over and over again reading posts from members who writes "How grateful they are to have no nodes involved"

    It would be very nice to have a forum for us who does.

  • Medigal
    Medigal Member Posts: 1,412
    edited December 2010
    Happy New Year Ladies!  I will try to be cooperative and figure out where I belong and stay there for 2011.  Didn't realize it meant that much to you and I don't want to cause problems.  We have enough just dealing with bc and trying to keep the Mod from cancelling our posts!  Maybe "I'll" get that Christmas Miracle I'm praying for others to get and I can leave this forum permanently!Wink
  • sheila888
    sheila888 Member Posts: 25,634
    edited December 2010

    Happy Holidays to ALL MY SISTERS from Stage  0-IV

    I care

    Sheila

  • Cat123
    Cat123 Member Posts: 296
    edited December 2010

    I'm not sure what stage I am because my tumour was larger than the MRI had shown after my left mx but I really don't want to know.  I think we are all fighting this disease and the stats and staging sometimes make no sense at all anyway.  When I was on Adjuvant Online...which I don't think is very good.....it gave me a worse prognosis with a much smaller tumour size that I punched in...go figure.  The women are so wonderful on all the forums and I learn so much and I think that is important....to connect with other bc surviviors and learn from each other's experiences.  I've learned more on here than what my oncs have told me!

    Happy Holidays everyone!

  • Estepp
    Estepp Member Posts: 6,416
    edited December 2010

    Hmmm, I never thought about it this way. I never visited the stage 1 or 2 threads... as I did not want to scare... THEM.

    I never thought about shooooing them away  from... US.

    Hmmm.... this is such a differnt way to think about it for me.

    I can understand those of you wanting a place just for us stage 3 girls... but WOW... this post made me think.

    All I ever thought about was " them" being afraid of..." us"

  • Mom3
    Mom3 Member Posts: 170
    edited December 2010

    Personally I don't mind reading posts from other women in other stages of bc/treatment. I learn from all. BTW, I AM stage 3. 

  • Mollydog
    Mollydog Member Posts: 93
    edited December 2010

    I'm such an ignoramus, that I never knew to pay attention to the various forums.  It was only after unwittingly posting in some Stage IV threads and hearing how Stage IV women were offended by women who weren't Stage IV posting, that I realized, oh shit I'm in trouble now.  And then I think none of us should be in trouble for anything -- especially here on bc.org.  By the way, I'm a cancerous node away from being considered Stage IIIa.  And about grading our cancer, my onc said it's a misnomer to grade ILC.  I forget his exact explanation, but it made sense at the time.  As some pointed out, even Stage I people can die.  Take care all.

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited December 2010

    It saddens me to see the words "US" and "THEM" and even the topic has the dreaded word "Versus" that lit the Healthcare forum on fire!!

    If the topic is very specific, then no one could possibly add their two sense (pun intended), but with a general topic who's wording attracts attention, it has no bearing what the stage is. I wouldn't go on a DIEP problem thread, or HER2+ (I'm neg) as they don't fit into the knowledge and info I need.

    When reading stage III threads I certainly don't get "scared"! Hey, I've lost both breasts to a very, very rare cancer that was difficult for pathology to even diagnose! My surgeon came to me in the "green room" before surgery with a Google print-out of something he had finally found the night before! I would have loved the option of chemo to save my breasts, though rads wasn't an option as the tumour was on my chest wall right over my heart.

    There is so much I've learned reading through all the forums. Knowledge is power and we need some control. So there are so many journeys occurring all at the same time, that it's actually very cool that there isn't more conflicts. We are all stressed out enough without having to worry about which sand box we're allowed to play in.

  • Brenda_R
    Brenda_R Member Posts: 509
    edited December 2010

    Boy, I don't get the attitudes I've been reading here for the last year. The bickering is one reason why I rarely come here anymore.

    I don't care what stages post in what threads, and I'm really glad that I didn't percieve that attitude when I first joined and NEEDED SUPPORT! I didn't care who it came from! We didn't have a local support group, and I needed to hear from people going through BC, no matter what stage they were. 

    I came here to say I'm celebrating my 4th Cancerversary, say "Merry Christmas" and wish you all well. 

  • LavenderNLace
    LavenderNLace Member Posts: 90
    edited December 2010

    'I would have love the option of chemo to save my breast'....?????  This is confusing to me.  Chemo would have save your breast?  And I'm not trying to be sarcastic.  How could this be?

  • motherofpatient
    motherofpatient Member Posts: 240
    edited December 2010

    I would like private messages from anyone who has more than one type of tumor

    ER+PR+HER2+ and

    ER+PR+ but HER2 negative in same breast.

  • voraciousreader
    voraciousreader Member Posts: 7,496
    edited December 2010

    If I offend anyone by posting in Stage 3 because I am "only" Stage 1, I apologize.  However, if I see information that I would like to share, like I did in posting the recent clinical study of Zometa from the San Antonio Symposium, then I will post it on whatever forum I believe is necessary.  Since I was Stage 1, should I have waited for a Stage 3 sister to post it instead on this forum?  It never occurred to me to NOT share the study with my Stage 3 sisters and what my physician and his colleagues were saying and how it was going to impact me and other Stage 1,2 and 3 women.

    I appreciate all the enlightenment I've received from the women on this Board.  Every nuggot of information and the candor that I've received has helped me make informed decisions and has enriched my life.  As I continue to find information that I think is valuable to others, I will share it in an unfettered way.  I think the Internet has provided us with an invaluable gift to share our information, as well as, our emotion.  With that in mind, I sincerely hope, we can all move in the direction of broadening our boundaries. 

    AgentMo - I appreciate your candor and I hope you will appreciate mine.  I do hope you continue to find the solace and information you need here at Breastcancer.org. It's really a great place.  I hope you will continue to share your pearls.

  • ferretmom
    ferretmom Member Posts: 103
    edited December 2010

    Dear Ladies

    I appologize for posting on this forum and will respectivly leave this thread

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited December 2010

    Ferretmom, did someone ask you to leave in a PM? If not, your post was not offensive, please, don't assume it was! And if someone PM'd you and told you to leave, even better reason for staying part of a public forum!

  • anna4969
    anna4969 Member Posts: 86
    edited December 2010

    Sisters,

    Please let this go.  It is Christmas for goodness sakes and we are all HERE to celebrate it.  That is what is most important to all of us. Isn't it?  A Warm and Healthy Peaceful New Year to All. :)

  • AgentMo
    AgentMo Member Posts: 72
    edited December 2010

    Thank you everyone for your answers. It seems to me that I am in the minority here with my feelings. Well, I hope that those that come here to post without or limited lymph node involvement will simply be aware of what kind of emotions they trigger in some of us and will therefore think twice before posting. If they still think it is appropriate to discuss their questions in this forum or if they feel that they are sharing valueable information (@voraciousreader: I am indeed grateful for your information) then obviously I am not somebody who can or should forbid this.

    Finally, I just want to state publicly that I have not asked anyone per PM to leave this forum. I am a little bit anxious that ferretmom's posting might be interpreted in this way and I wouldn't like to cause this confusion or bad feelings. I have openly stated how I feel about the stage matter and I would never work behind anybody's back regarding this question.

  • TonLee
    TonLee Member Posts: 2,626
    edited August 2013

    I think the staging thing is a sham, gives women a false sense of security or impending doom.  I only let them take 4 lymphs because my treatment would be the exact same whether a II or III. 

    The thing is, my docs do no other testing...no blood marker tests, no pet scans, nadda.  They take the tumor out and stage based on lymph involvement. 

    I've met 5 women in my center who were staged I with clear lymphs, but have mets to the bones...which they didn't find until they had severe pain and demanded a pet scan.

    Staging imo is not reliable.

  • mumito
    mumito Member Posts: 4,562
    edited December 2010
    Merry Christmas ladies whatever stage you are.Wink
  • Suzybelle
    Suzybelle Member Posts: 920
    edited December 2010

    AgentMo, I totally get what you are saying.  I think it's a good thing for us to be respectful of the purposes for each forum.  I try to respect that, but will occasionally offer condolences, encouragement, etc.  I get the sense that this is welcome, but that's as far as I go with it.

    I have LE and am constantly hanging out in the LE forum.  It's not off limits to someone to post there, but it's mainly for women who already have it, or women who have questions about getting it.  That's the purpose it serves.   I think that's cool...and I can't imagine anyone getting p.o.'d about that, but whatever floats your boat.  We are, despite our swelled up arms, trunks, etc. pretty awesome, and I can see why everyone would want to hang out in our forum.  Tongue out

    That's obviously true about you Stage III's - You ROCK!  Everyone must want to be here!!!!

     Merry Christmas, ladies.  I wish us all, in every forum, happiness, health, and peace.  God bless us, every one.  Smile

  • cheyenna
    cheyenna Member Posts: 379
    edited August 2013
    ok, well i will not keep my mouth shut on this one!!! stage 1 stage 2 stage 3, we all have had cancer!!! i have stage 2 and went through 16 hard chemo treatments! the one thing that should be remembered is just cause your stage 2 we can carry the gene, we could be a 3 as far as aggression goes, there are some of us that have a 70%or more chance of recurrence with stage 2, we need to feel secure about that, i got support from women who did not even need chemo on this board and in the beginning i thought, your no where near i am! but i have learned i needed support from all, cancer is cancer, stage 3 does not mean we will lose our life any sooner then a stage 1 or 2 woman. i have lost friends with stage 1...cancer does what it wants.. im scared to death everyday that blood a cell escaped. i had well  over an inch tumor and my risk factors high, i feel for every woman out there with cancer, i pray every day for a cure.
  • gutsy
    gutsy Member Posts: 391
    edited December 2010

    AgentMo,  It is very clear that you feel very strongly about this and your words come across very harsh. I think we all feel anger towards this disease, but I don't think it is really fair to take it out on women who are respectfull and supportive, but happen to be at this moment one stage lower or have cancer in one less lymph node. We are all living with uncertainty, fear and strong emotions and have gone through hell and back because of breast cancer.

  • annettek
    annettek Member Posts: 1,640
    edited August 2013

    I am new and I am scared and I go to what catches my eye and interest. Before joining this unfortunate club, I had already encountered the elitism and separation so prevelant with those of us who have children with special needs. Mine has autism so that shuts down some downs syndrome avenues, etc. We are all bound by a common thread. Who else can understand? I agree with the posters who have offered up this is all about respect, fear, knowledge and hope. I learn from all of you- humility, grace, courses of treatment, what I might face, etc. If, along the way, I can do the same, I will. There is no bragging. Does it follow I should jealous or think of one of those young girls who light up the BRAC test and find themselves choosing a mastectomy were so lucky they didn't get cancer?. Think about that. Or instead be encouraged by the new tests (confusing though they may be-all of this is so frigging  confusing)   If someone came along and was rude, I imagine their post would be deleted. I feel I was led here. Sometimes I just listen. When I signed the form for all my breast tissue to go to research it was in the honest hope that one day nobody would have to hear they have cancer...I told them take it all and make it all go away for all of us...please. I understand resentment and negativety, hell I feel it all the time. But then I know inside nobody makes it through this life unscathed. Some of us just have more visible scars. I love you all.

    Merry Christmas and may all your hopes and dreams come true.

  • Ihopeg
    Ihopeg Member Posts: 399
    edited December 2010

    I wish none of us had to even lurk or post on any of these forums. So, that said, Do what you feel is right and don't listen to anyone else. It's hard enough to go through this terrible disease and have something else to worry about, like if you are posting on the right forum. I think any of us ladies would be happy to help anyone who has breast cancer.

  • chrissyb
    chrissyb Member Posts: 16,818
    edited August 2013

    Ladies, I have sat here and read all posts on this thread with a heavy heart.  I do understand what Agentmo was getting at but I also understand what the other ladies have said.  I was Dx'd originally stage IIb no nodes involved and was pretty much assured that I would be a-okay as far as recurrance was concerned but here I now sit, stage IV and my doc is still shaking his head and saying I have defied statistics.  This is the truth of BC.  Anyone at anytime can be in the same boat as I am, so, node involvement or no node involvement is a mute point we are all fighting for our lives.  IMHO stage definately does not matter!

  • D4Hope
    D4Hope Member Posts: 352
    edited December 2010

    . I think it;s sad that you can't give encouragement to a person who may be worse off than you are.I am new  here and I will remember to stick to my own stage unless that changes, I have known people in my breast cancer group who were stage one and thought they were beating it and are now stage four. Nobody has ever told me to leave the lunch group because I am a stage two. We all lean on each other.

  • Anonymous
    Anonymous Member Posts: 1,376
    edited December 2010

    Personally, IMO, I think it's good to get to know and share with the women in other stages and their forums.  As a stage III, sometimes if I see something on the active topics about a sista going thru something rough, or painful or something I can relate to, I will want to add some helpfu comments.. Or just stop into the stage IV girls to let them know I care about some of the situations they are facing.  I also will check out the Natural Girls , or homonal therapy threads, all of which have women in various stages. But were i feel most comfortable is on the stage III forum with the girls who have gone thru this stage, and the fears that accompany it.  I sure do love all my stage 3er sistas   even when we agree to disagree.  Gotta Love Ya's

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  • karen1956
    karen1956 Member Posts: 6,503
    edited December 2010

    It makes me so sad when I "hear" women bicker on these threads....

    I am going on 5 years since Dx with stage 3A ILC breast cancer.... at the time, I was told it was locally advanced....Yes BC just plain old s****!!!  Even after all this time, I would say I am jealous of women who are lower stage than I was at Dx (and for that reason I don't go to stage1/2)....and envious of those who did not have to endure Mx, chemo, rads, AI's.....BUT, as long as people are respectful of each other, I don't really care who posts where (but then again, I don't post on stage 4 as I can not begin to understand what it is like to be a member of stage 4)...it is RESPECT that is important...respect for each others feelings and views....if you don't like/agree with what someone is writing, you don't have to read it...that is one of the beauties of bco vs and in person support group.....please remember to be respectful of each other....we all write from the heart and share our feelings....as feelings we own them....no right or wrong....they are just our feelings....so please, lets be respectful of each other :)

  • allalone
    allalone Member Posts: 448
    edited January 2011

    AgentMo: I can understand how you feel, and not just about the BCO boards. All of the support and information for BC out there is directed at the early stagers - none for those us who (through no fault of our own) slipped thru the cracks and ended up being dx at III or IV (I was IV for a while) losing not just our breasts but our armpits, with the neverending worry about LE, and mets.

    Also, when I first came to these boards I wondered WTH were people doing playing games here when some of us were dying; and WTH was the meaning of all those strange forums - singles, lesbians, African Americans, Canadians, Muslims, etc.

    Ah, how time mellows us all!!!

    Cancer is cancer, our stages are fluid. Playing BCO games is a wonderful distraction from the hell we're ALL in; and the more forums the merrier!!!

  • barbe1958
    barbe1958 Member Posts: 19,757
    edited December 2010

    allalone, I have to give you an acknowledgement! To have been a stage IV and not be one now, how does that work? Stage 0 loses their breasts too, it's not just for Stage III, and anyone with who had node surgery has a risk of LE, not just the ones who were node positive.

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